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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#43 » by cgmw » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:04 pm

Games to go: 14
Current seed: 6
Games behind home court advantage (4 seed): 0.5
Games in front of Play-In (7 seed): 0.5
Games behind leader (1 seed): 8.5
Games in front of lottery (11th place): 7.5
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#44 » by JXL » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:16 pm

cgmw wrote:Games to go: 14
Current seed: 6
Games behind home court advantage (4 seed): 0.5
Games in front of Play-In (7 seed): 0.5
Games behind leader (1 seed): 8.5
Games in front of lottery (11th place): 7.5


The margin for error is razor thin. And to add to that:

Knicks have the 6th hardest SOS remaining in the NBA; 2nd hardest in the Eastern Conference (according to Tankathon)

Atlanta is 18th
Boston is 20th
Miami is 21st
Charlotte is 23rd

So yes, the margin for error is razor thin.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#45 » by mpharris36 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:22 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:sounds like the goal is for this team to get the #4 seed...this is a game they have to win if they want to accomplish that.

Looking forward to how they respond to the challenge.


it's attainable. but as far as Ws and Ls, we're beyond playing with house money. i've promised myself i'm not going to trip. who thought we'd get 30 wins for the whole season, let alone have the potential to be a 40-win team?


agreed but we are at that stage where we are a decent team. We have shattered the preseason prediction so I go into game expecting wins. Maybe that is unfair a bit because of where this team should be.

The only player I simply have no faith for is Payton other than that the rest of the team I think can hold there own with most teams around the league. They play well together as a team and these now are considered "winnable" games...crazy to think.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#47 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:47 pm

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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#49 » by LuisArMo73 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:49 pm

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cgmw wrote:Games to go: 14
Current seed: 6
Games behind home court advantage (4 seed): 0.5
Games in front of Play-In (7 seed): 0.5
Games behind leader (1 seed): 8.5
Games in front of lottery (11th place): 7.5


The margin for error is razor thin. And to add to that:

Knicks have the 6th hardest SOS remaining in the NBA; 2nd hardest in the Eastern Conference (according to Tankathon)

Atlanta is 18th
Boston is 20th
Miami is 21st
Charlotte is 23rd

So yes, the margin for error is razor thin.


I keep reading the bolded part, yet I am not certain it is entirely true. Sure, we have to play many tough teams in our remaining games (and there's that dreadful west coast trip waiting in the corner) but this SOS thing doesn't seem to take into account anything else than the record of the teams we play, I feel it completely ignores other variables, such as back-to-backs or injury to key players.

In fact, if you take a closer look at the remaining schedule (at least as displayed in the NBA mobile app) you would see that we only have 3 back-to-backs (counting today's game and tomorrow's) while we would be in the recipient end of 5 teams on their second night of their back-to-back (2 of those are in our own second game in a back-to-back). I believe that's gotta be one of the best ratios of back-to-backs (if that even exists) in the remaining schedule in the league(though I'm too lazy to look out this info for every single team, the only other one I did it for was for the Mavs and they have a worse ratio even though their schedule is supposedly way easier)

I don't know if i have explained myself properly, but the main take is that I feel that our remaining schedule is not as bad as it may seem on paper and this team has already shown they can break expectations so I wouldn't be surprised if we manage to snatch that home-court advantage.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#50 » by HighRyzer83 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:00 pm

We just need Boston to lose to the bulls again and we'll be straight
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#51 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:11 pm

DRose is beginning to feel like his old self after that bout with COVID. I'm expecting to go 30-35 minutes/game now.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#52 » by mpharris36 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:13 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:DRose is beginning to feel like his old self after that bout with COVID. I'm expecting to go 30-35 minutes/game now.


if thibs plans on 30 from Rose he should start so he doesn't have to play 15 straight minutes in both halfs.

7-8 mins...rest...7-8 mins halftime

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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#53 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:14 pm

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The Foogiano song and video are dope.

First joint is unremarkable to me.

I liked the first one more. Beat goes so hard and Thug snapped
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#54 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:17 pm

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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#55 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:33 pm

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I still wish I can I find full games of the 2013 playoffs. Man MSG was different. Melo the gawd was unguardable those days. Crazy it’s been 8 years
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I'll go to my grave saying that the Knicks could've made it to the Finals that year had Melo been healthy for the playoffs. At the very least, we'd have beaten that Pacers team. We were a bad match-up for Miami because they couldn't defend the 3 that season.

I also wish we could find full games of game 1 NYK-BOS, game 2 NYK-IND and game 5 NYK-IND.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#56 » by HerSports85 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:55 pm

I just hope Thibs also focus on managing everyone mins tonight since we’re on a back to back
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#57 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:00 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
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I still wish I can I find full games of the 2013 playoffs. Man MSG was different. Melo the gawd was unguardable those days. Crazy it’s been 8 years
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Melo was a beast. Mike Woodson also ran a modern offense back then that caught the league completely off guard. The key to our success, sadly, was that Amar'e was hurt, which allowed Woody to play Melo at the 4.

I'll go to my grave saying that the Knicks could've made it to the Finals that year had Melo been healthy for the playoffs. At the very least, we'd have beaten that Pacers team. We were a bad match-up for Miami because they couldn't defend the 3 that season.

I also wish we could find full games of game 1 NYK-BOS, game 2 NYK-IND and game 5 NYK-IND.

I don’t even blame Melo’s shoulder for the reason we didn’t get past Indiana. He still averaged 28 PPG on 43/43/88 splits which is pretty amazing. What really cost us the series is Raymond Felton, Jr Smith, Tyson Chandler and Jason Kidd playing completely horrible. If they showed up, we’d be champions or at least finals bound. No cap. We definitely would’ve defeated the Heat.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#58 » by HerSports85 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:06 pm

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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#59 » by HarthorneWingo » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:15 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:DRose is beginning to feel like his old self after that bout with COVID. I'm expecting to go 30-35 minutes/game now.


if thibs plans on 30 from Rose he should start so he doesn't have to play 15 straight minutes in both halfs.

7-8 mins...rest...7-8 mins halftime

7-8 mins...rest...7-8 mins game over


That’s an interesting point. As an old man who’s been active most of my life, I can tell you that it’s warming up again that’s more of an issue because you get stiff and out of rhythm sitting. But I suspect each player is different.
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Re: GT: Knicks vs. Hornets @ Madison Square Garden April 20th 7:30PM EST 

Post#60 » by cgmw » Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:23 pm

LuisArMo73 wrote:
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cgmw wrote:Games to go: 14
Current seed: 6
Games behind home court advantage (4 seed): 0.5
Games in front of Play-In (7 seed): 0.5
Games behind leader (1 seed): 8.5
Games in front of lottery (11th place): 7.5


The margin for error is razor thin. And to add to that:

Knicks have the 6th hardest SOS remaining in the NBA; 2nd hardest in the Eastern Conference (according to Tankathon)

Atlanta is 18th
Boston is 20th
Miami is 21st
Charlotte is 23rd

So yes, the margin for error is razor thin.


I keep reading the bolded part, yet I am not certain it is entirely true. Sure, we have to play many tough teams in our remaining games (and there's that dreadful west coast trip waiting in the corner) but this SOS thing doesn't seem to take into account anything else than the record of the teams we play, I feel it completely ignores other variables, such as back-to-backs or injury to key players.

In fact, if you take a closer look at the remaining schedule (at least as displayed in the NBA mobile app) you would see that we only have 3 back-to-backs (counting today's game and tomorrow's) while we would be in the recipient end of 5 teams on their second night of their back-to-back (2 of those are in our own second game in a back-to-back). I believe that's gotta be one of the best ratios of back-to-backs (if that even exists) in the remaining schedule in the league(though I'm too lazy to look out this info for every single team, the only other one I did it for was for the Mavs and they have a worse ratio even though their schedule is supposedly way easier)

I don't know if i have explained myself properly, but the main take is that I feel that our remaining schedule is not as bad as it may seem on paper and this team has already shown they can break expectations so I wouldn't be surprised if we manage to snatch that home-court advantage.

Current 1st rd matchup: Milwaukee

Would be so big if we can sneak into the 4-5 matchup to play Boston or Atlanta, even bigger if we can pull home court.

If we slide, I’d actually prefer facing the Nets because I think they’re a bunch of (talented) b*tchassez who’d get embarrassed (but ultimately win). Embiid/Simmons/Tobi and the Milwaukee D will cause fits for Jules and RJ in the lane. I’d much rather play the “soft as hell” Nets, to quote once-a-Knick-always-a-Knick Mo Harkless.
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