Hawks (5) @ Knicks (4) - Playoffs Round 1 - Game 1 - SUNDAY May 23 - 7:00pm

evevale · Post #41 » by **evevale** » Mon May 17, 2021 12:31 am

The dream is refs let Frank actually touch his assignments without being whistled for phantom calls and Thibs starts trusting him with more than 2 minutes a game. He is the only Knicks defender capable of slowing Baldie down. Elf's defense against Trae pick and roll will have us playing from behind every game and that isn't sustainable.

I feel like the Hawks are being slightly disrespected going into these playoffs. They've been playing good ball and they are going to pound us on the glass night after night. But their defense has always been suspect and we are a team that battles for all 48 minutes.

Knicks in 6 unless someone abducts Elf before the series starts.

Post #42 » by **mpharris36** » Mon May 17, 2021 12:32 am

robillionaire wrote:Not sure if it mean anything but In the 3 wins

Knicks win by 5
Payton -11
IQ +17

Knicks win by 11
Payton +3
Rose +8
IQ +8

Knicks win by 10
Payton -13
IQ +29
Rose +14

your not going to completely stop Trae Young...he will get his.

But he might be the worst defensive player in the NBA. The knicks should try to isolate nearly every possession to go right at Trae Young and make him defend all series.

IQ makes him work on that end. Payton does not.

Worst_to_First · Post #43 » by **Worst_to_First** » Mon May 17, 2021 12:36 am

So proud of this team and what we were able to accomplish. We also got the best possible matchup for the first round. As long as we don’t underestimate the Hawks we should have no problem advancing. Let’s enjoy this one guys.

blueNorange · Post #44 » by **blueNorange** » Mon May 17, 2021 12:47 am

btw are we still upset this team has a bunch of caa/uk connections or nah?

TheGreenArrow · Post #45 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Mon May 17, 2021 1:04 am

Man thi ms season was a success regardless o this outcome!!!!

Being here is just gravy!!!!

fatalogic · Post #46 » by **fatalogic** » Mon May 17, 2021 1:05 am

I don't expect them to but I hope they wrap this up quick. I really hate watching Trae play/

Chanel Bomber · Post #47 » by **Chanel Bomber** » Mon May 17, 2021 1:07 am

Underrated storyline:

RJ gets his first taste of the playoffs at 20.
IQ gets his first taste of the playoffs at 21.
Obi gets his first taste of the playoffs at 23.

Mitch is unfortunately injured, but for those of us (like me) who always wanted to build through the draft, this is huge.

Juco24 · Post #48 » by **Juco24** » Mon May 17, 2021 1:20 am

Chanel Bomber wrote:Underrated storyline:

RJ gets his first taste of the playoffs at 20.
IQ gets his first taste of the playoffs at 21.
Obi gets his first taste of the playoffs at 23.

Mitch is unfortunately injured, but for those of us (like me) who always wanted to build through the draft, this is huge.

Good point and I believe Randle’s only 26 and getting his first taste

3toheadmelo · Post #49 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon May 17, 2021 1:36 am

Trae Young when guarded by Payton this season

January 4th: Trae Young 4-10

February 15th: Trae Young 2-6

April 21: Trae Young: 1-5

Total combined for the season: 7-21 (33% FG)

This is basically the only matchup Payton is good at defensively apparently. So maybe we can survive this with Payton starting. Just trying to be positive here.

Fat Kat · Post #50 » by **Fat Kat** » Mon May 17, 2021 1:44 am

Trae’s interview after Frank takes his soul

TBri1974 · Post #51 » by **TBri1974** » Mon May 17, 2021 1:47 am

I wouldn't change the rotation if I were Thibs. Silly to throw players off their game. He's already shown he's willing to move on from Payton quickly.

I am psyched for this, and I love this team, but I hope the Knicks aren't in anyway overlooking this opponent (luckily I think we are built not to overlook opponents). The Hawks have one of the best records in the East since switching coaches and they will be really good for years to come. They are talented, big, fast and deep - and this runs 1-5 with a reasonably decent bench. I am not suggesting the Knicks cannot/should not win, but just noting that if the Hawks had played the way they have over the last few months for the whole season they would be right in the mix for the 1-3 spot.

btuned · Post #52 » by **btuned** » Mon May 17, 2021 1:55 am

3toheadmelo wrote:Trae Young when guarded by Payton this season

January 4th: Trae Young 4-10

February 15th: Trae Young 2-6

April 21: Trae Young: 1-5

Total combined for the season: 7-21 (33% FG)

This is basically the only matchup Payton is good at defensively apparently. So maybe we can survive this with Payton starting. Just trying to be positive here.

Anything to track assists though? I feel like when Payton guards Trae another defender often has to come help him because he gets beat so much leaving someone else open. Namely Capela lobs.

3toheadmelo · Post #53 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon May 17, 2021 2:02 am

btuned wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Trae Young when guarded by Payton this season

January 4th: Trae Young 4-10

February 15th: Trae Young 2-6

April 21: Trae Young: 1-5

Total combined for the season: 7-21 (33% FG)

This is basically the only matchup Payton is good at defensively apparently. So maybe we can survive this with Payton starting. Just trying to be positive here.

Anything to track assists though? I feel like when Payton guards Trae another defender often has to come help him because he gets beat so much leaving someone else open. Namely Capela lobs.

Yes I can give you the assists too

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists

April 21st: 3 assists

Seems like Payton is actually doing a good job on Trae

cgf · Post #54 » by **cgf** » Mon May 17, 2021 2:04 am

...Elf was still -18 across the 3 games against the hawks...

cgf · Post #55 » by **cgf** » Mon May 17, 2021 2:06 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
btuned wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Trae Young when guarded by Payton this season

January 4th: Trae Young 4-10

February 15th: Trae Young 2-6

April 21: Trae Young: 1-5

Total combined for the season: 7-21 (33% FG)

This is basically the only matchup Payton is good at defensively apparently. So maybe we can survive this with Payton starting. Just trying to be positive here.

Anything to track assists though? I feel like when Payton guards Trae another defender often has to come help him because he gets beat so much leaving someone else open. Namely Capela lobs.

Yes I can give you the assists too

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists
April 21st: 3 assists

Seems like Payton is actually doing a good job on Trae

Are those just Trae's assists with elf on the court? Cause Trae had 14, 8 & 14 assists against us.

3toheadmelo · Post #56 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon May 17, 2021 2:09 am

cgf wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
btuned wrote:
Anything to track assists though? I feel like when Payton guards Trae another defender often has to come help him because he gets beat so much leaving someone else open. Namely Capela lobs.

Yes I can give you the assists too

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists
April 21st: 3 assists

Seems like Payton is actually doing a good job on Trae

Are those just Trae's assists with elf on the court? Cause Trae had 14, 8 & 14 assists against us.

It’s his assists when he’s guarded by Payton

cgf · Post #57 » by **cgf** » Mon May 17, 2021 2:10 am

3toheadmelo wrote:
cgf wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:Yes I can give you the assists too

January 4th: 5 assists
February 15th: 2 assists
April 21st: 3 assists

Seems like Payton is actually doing a good job on Trae

Are those just Trae's assists with elf on the court? Cause Trae had 14, 8 & 14 assists against us.

It’s his assists when he’s guarded by Payton

gotcha. Do you also have the minutes that elf spent on him? Curious what those #s look like per36.

snadler · Post #58 » by **snadler** » Mon May 17, 2021 2:16 am

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3toheadmelo · Post #59 » by **3toheadmelo** » Mon May 17, 2021 2:16 am

cgf wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
cgf wrote:Are those just Trae's assists with elf on the court? Cause Trae had 14, 8 & 14 assists against us.

It’s his assists when he’s guarded by Payton

gotcha. Do you also have the minutes that elf spent on him? Curious what those #s look like per36.

April 21st: 3:04 mins

February 15th: 4:56 mins

January 4th: 6:08 mins

i don’t know how to get per 36 on this

btuned · Post #60 » by **btuned** » Mon May 17, 2021 2:33 am

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/opponent/?sort=MIN&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&OpponentTeamID=1610612737&TeamID=1610612752

This is pretty telling stat on the other end... ATL is +7 when Payton is in. Taj is the only other noteworthy player for which they are positive (+7.5, Frank and Mitch are too but each only played in one game against ATL). All other players ATL are negative (i.e. Knicks positive +/-).

Who will win the series?