Re: Sexton Convo, Update PG: 15 - Knicks most aggressive suitor

[mpharris36]

Lol.....

I like sexton, incredible scorer but with all our needs, you want him?

Nah...this would be a mistake and set us back.

I think that was the same thought of a guy like Zach Lavine up until last year though.

[GONYK]

The main difference I see is

Catch and Shoot - He's got a +60% efg percentage when payton had a sub 45% efg perentage

FTA rate - Sexton nearly doubled paytons Free Throw attempt rate .342 vs .172

The defense is a concern but the offense is night and day. But lets be honest if his defense wasn't a concern there is no way he would be available for trade. Hoping that its more of a **** situation in CLE then a guy that just doesn't care about defense.

Even without his defensive concerns, how much are you willing to pay for that? Is Colin Sexton worth paying as a core player?

his offensive numbers suggest he kinda is though. From every metric he has kinda been trending more in the Zach Lavine type. It would be a risk but if you get the guys before the blow up then the cost wont be as ridiculous. The team would have to believe in him. Since he is CAA my guess the knicks know what makes him tick.

If Colin Sexton was 6'6", I'd be more excited about him trending in LaVine's direction.

Him as a ball dominant PG excites me much less.

I just see being locked into a core of RJ, Sexton and Randle extremely underwhelming and still having fairly major holes.

Let's say Sexton pops as a better version of this year's Derrick Rose. We still don't have someone running the offense.

[god shammgod]

Lol.....

I like sexton, incredible scorer but with all our needs, you want him?

Nah...this would be a mistake and set us back.

I think that was the same thought of a guy like Zach Lavine up until last year though.

sometimes it goes the way of lavine and booker and other times it goes the way of siakam, kp & dlo. maybe if he shot the 3 more than the midrange i would buy in more.

[mpharris36]

Lol.....

I like sexton, incredible scorer but with all our needs, you want him?

Nah...this would be a mistake and set us back.

I think that was the same thought of a guy like Zach Lavine up until last year though.

sometimes it goes the way of lavine and booker and other times it goes the way of siakam, kp & dlo. maybe if he shot the 3 more than the midrange i would buy in more.

true but as we see the mid range is kinda where you live in the playoffs. That is all ATL was giving up and we had no one that could get into the mid range or use a floater. He excels there. And he's nearly a career 39% 3 point shooter on a bad team. His C&S 3's are over 40%...so he isn't a bad shooter from deep. But he is really good off the dribble which we need.

Also, I know this is further thinking but ATL might be the team we need to start planning as the top team in the east. I know one thing. Trae Young can't guard Collin Sexton

[thebuzzardman]

The precondition of any trade for Sexton is that he cuts that goddamn rattail off.

[3toheadmelo]

Lol.....

I like sexton, incredible scorer but with all our needs, you want him?

Nah...this would be a mistake and set us back.

I think that was the same thought of a guy like Zach Lavine up until last year though.

sometimes it goes the way of lavine and booker and other times it goes the way of siakam, kp & dlo. maybe if he shot the 3 more than the midrange i would buy in more.

I would rather take the gamble on him instead of overpaying for Lonzo

[GONYK]

I think that was the same thought of a guy like Zach Lavine up until last year though.

sometimes it goes the way of lavine and booker and other times it goes the way of siakam, kp & dlo. maybe if he shot the 3 more than the midrange i would buy in more.

I would rather take the gamble on him instead of overpaying for Lonzo

[god shammgod]

I think that was the same thought of a guy like Zach Lavine up until last year though.

sometimes it goes the way of lavine and booker and other times it goes the way of siakam, kp & dlo. maybe if he shot the 3 more than the midrange i would buy in more.

I would rather take the gamble on him instead of overpaying for Lonzo

i can't disagree there. they're gonna want at least 2 1sts i would think. unless we're giving up a player of value.

[NYF13]

Trae young is 180 pounds and 6 ft 1”
Sexton is 191 pounds and 6 ft 1”

Both play the PG position well. What makes Trae Young great is his natural shooting ability.

If Randle and RJ both improved their 3 pt shooting under this current coaching regime, May be Sexton will get better as a shooter.

If you can use 19, 21 and 32 to get Myles Turner and Colin Sexton then would you do it? Versus using the the picks to move up for a project like Giddy or Bouknight? Versus using them with more picks for 1 of the superstars - Beal/Kat/Dame??

We can speculate and wish as fans but the real negotiations are what makes the difference beteeen a good GM and a bad one.

Trae is a phenomenal passer as well.

Would you label this as a successful offseason if we get Sexton, Lonzo and Myles Turner provided we bring back Rose and Gibson? Bullock/Burks/Noel will be icing on the cake? That also means NYK will get any chance to draft an impactful player. May be #58 stays with us.

I am excited....

PG Sexton Rose LucaVildoza
SG Lonzo Quickley
SF Barrett Bullock/Burks
PF Randle Toppin Knox
C Turner Mitch Pelle

[mpharris36]

Even without his defensive concerns, how much are you willing to pay for that? Is Colin Sexton worth paying as a core player?

his offensive numbers suggest he kinda is though. From every metric he has kinda been trending more in the Zach Lavine type. It would be a risk but if you get the guys before the blow up then the cost wont be as ridiculous. The team would have to believe in him. Since he is CAA my guess the knicks know what makes him tick.

If Colin Sexton was 6'6", I'd be more excited about him trending in LaVine's direction.

Him as a ball dominant PG excites me much less.

I just see being locked into a core of RJ, Sexton and Randle extremely underwhelming and still having fairly major holes.

Let's say Sexton pops as a better version of this year's Derrick Rose. We still don't have someone running the offense.

I don't think Thibs offense has ever required a main distributor though. Like the Trae Young and Luka's would be great...but those guys just aren't available. I wouldn't even consider a Dame Lillard a great distributor he just gets assists because of his crazy usage and his unbelievable scoring ability leads to assists.

I don't think you have to lock into a sexton/rj/randle core because sexton and randle don't have to be paid next year. But at least you can see if it works though.

[GONYK]

his offensive numbers suggest he kinda is though. From every metric he has kinda been trending more in the Zach Lavine type. It would be a risk but if you get the guys before the blow up then the cost wont be as ridiculous. The team would have to believe in him. Since he is CAA my guess the knicks know what makes him tick.

If Colin Sexton was 6'6", I'd be more excited about him trending in LaVine's direction.

Him as a ball dominant PG excites me much less.

I just see being locked into a core of RJ, Sexton and Randle extremely underwhelming and still having fairly major holes.

Let's say Sexton pops as a better version of this year's Derrick Rose. We still don't have someone running the offense.

I don't think Thibs offense has ever required a main distributor though. Like the Trae Young and Luka's would be great...but those guys just aren't available. I wouldn't even consider a Dame Lillard a great distributor he just gets assists because of his crazy usage and his unbelievable scoring ability leads to assists.

I don't think you have to lock into a sexton/rj/randle core because sexton and randle don't have to be paid next year. But at least you can see if it works though.

Dame is different because he has such insane horizontal gravity. He and Steph are in a class all their own for how they reshape the defense and the angles that provides.

Also, what is Thibs' offense? We know what he wants out of the PG position (a battering ram), but what is the offense?

If we simplify it down to drive and kick to the corners, I'm still not sure that's Sexton, nor do I really see him playing off ball.

When Rose and Randle played together in the playoffs, they never really elevated each other or the team. They just took turns doing their thing and were isolated pillars of the offense.

That is what I envision with Sexton as well. I see the team being more talented with him but I don't know if his skillset makes us better.

[DaGawd]

I’m convinced this board hates seeing good players in a Knicks uniform

[BugginOut]

his offensive numbers suggest he kinda is though. From every metric he has kinda been trending more in the Zach Lavine type. It would be a risk but if you get the guys before the blow up then the cost wont be as ridiculous. The team would have to believe in him. Since he is CAA my guess the knicks know what makes him tick.

If Colin Sexton was 6'6", I'd be more excited about him trending in LaVine's direction.

Him as a ball dominant PG excites me much less.

I just see being locked into a core of RJ, Sexton and Randle extremely underwhelming and still having fairly major holes.

Let's say Sexton pops as a better version of this year's Derrick Rose. We still don't have someone running the offense.

I don't think Thibs offense has ever required a main distributor though. Like the Trae Young and Luka's would be great...but those guys just aren't available. I wouldn't even consider a Dame Lillard a great distributor he just gets assists because of his crazy usage and his unbelievable scoring ability leads to assists.

I don't think you have to lock into a sexton/rj/randle core because sexton and randle don't have to be paid next year. But at least you can see if it works though.

Yeah I’m with it since you can still wait a year to see if it works. Plus we would still have a max slot for next year (assuming we don’t take back K Love’s contact). If the price is right I think we have to go for it

[3toheadmelo]

One of the reasons I am all for it is cause our options are very limited

We can either overpay for Lonzo/Schroder/Reggie Jackson

Or take a gamble on a 22 year old putting up Devin Booker numbers

It’s a no brainer for me

[mpharris36]

If Colin Sexton was 6'6", I'd be more excited about him trending in LaVine's direction.

Him as a ball dominant PG excites me much less.

I just see being locked into a core of RJ, Sexton and Randle extremely underwhelming and still having fairly major holes.

Let's say Sexton pops as a better version of this year's Derrick Rose. We still don't have someone running the offense.

I don't think Thibs offense has ever required a main distributor though. Like the Trae Young and Luka's would be great...but those guys just aren't available. I wouldn't even consider a Dame Lillard a great distributor he just gets assists because of his crazy usage and his unbelievable scoring ability leads to assists.

I don't think you have to lock into a sexton/rj/randle core because sexton and randle don't have to be paid next year. But at least you can see if it works though.

Dame is different because he has such insane horizontal gravity. He and Steph are in a class all their own for how they reshape the defense and the angles that provides.

Also, what is Thibs' offense? We know what he wants out of the PG position (a battering ram), but what is the offense?

If we simplify it down to drive and kick to the corners, I'm still not sure that's Sexton, nor do I really see him playing off ball.

When Rose and Randle played together in the playoffs, they never really elevated each other or the team. They just took turns doing their thing and were isolated pillars of the offense.

That is what I envision with Sexton as well. I see the team being more talented with him but I don't know if his skillset makes us better.

Thibs offense:

Gets stops and get out in transition.

In the half court its find its playmakers and put pressure on the defense where they have to collapse and find shooters. He kinda unlocked randle a bit in terms of playmaking the passing to the corner isn't the hardest read and if he believes sexton can put enough pressure on the defense where it opens up some other things that is what he does.

Thibs is basically a take turns offense guy anyway. He is not a offensive system guy. He believes if you play defense and then let your playmakers make plays and play free.

It backfired in the playoffs because Randle is was horrible.

[DaGawd]

One of the reasons I am all for it is cause our options are very limited

We can either overpay for Lonzo/Schroder/Reggie Jackson

Or take a gamble on a 22 year old putting up Devin Booker numbers

It’s a no brainer for me

This. Dame is a long shot at best… probably gonna cost everything we have.. Lonzo/Schroeder/Reggie/whoever else is a stop gap option at best.. we won’t be finding a franchise level point in the draft at our position.. If Sexton is available that’s as a good as it gets. He’s young and shows signs of being that franchise level talent. Of course there’s things he has to work on but most every young player is imperfect.

[god shammgod]

One of the reasons I am all for it is cause our options are very limited

We can either overpay for Lonzo/Schroder/Reggie Jackson

Or take a gamble on a 22 year old putting up Devin Booker numbers

It’s a no brainer for me

where's trade randle & tank as option 3 ?

[Fat Kat]

I'd do it for Knox and the Dallas first. That's my final offer.

[Capn'O]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

My caveat has always been that Thibs needs to sign off on such a move. If he thinks he can reach Sexton then grab with both fists and run. Nothing about his physicality suggests that he couldn't be a plus defender or at least a piece of a good team defense.

[mpharris36]

The major concern you would have is his defense. But in terms of what thibs likes in his guards (I wont call him a pg) but neither was Payton and Rose in his prime was never an elite distributor. Sexton can attack the basket. He is surprisingly very efficient...had over a 57% TS%. He is also excellent at getting to the FT line. And is nearly a 39% career shooter from 3.

He is actually a stones throw away from a 50/40/90 season which is elite category for a guard. If the cost is reasonable its worth a look.

Thibs would have to work on that defense though especially if he was defending the point of attack.

My caveat has always been that Thibs needs to sign off on such a move. If he thinks he can reach Sexton then grab with both fists and run. Nothing about his physicality suggests that he couldn't be a plus defender or at least a piece of a good team defense.

another bonus is that he makes only like 6 MM this year and his cap hold is right at 19 MM in 2 years. So basically the knicks could also fit a max salary guy in before having to pay Sexton/RJ/Randle which be very valuable.