2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas, Part 3

[Jalen Bluntson]

The only sources saying they're trying to trade him are LeBron connected people like Windhorst & the Lakers beat guy. The Chicago reporters haven't said anything of the sort, this is from today's tribune:






https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bulls/ct-chicago-bulls-trade-deadline-20240115-be3cg7hvk5cwtf7zgcreor72lq-story.html

Bulls friendly reporting negates everyone else. You are funny bro. Just because they are asking too much doesn't mean they don't want to trade him. They just think they can get more and found out NO ONE wants to pay for him in value AND that ridiculous contract.

Just so I'm clear. You're arguing that the reporters with sources in the Bulls FO...who have been plenty critical of this regime...know less about the Bulls' intentions than a Lakers' beat guy & the guy who built his career on carrying water for LeBron?

Folks that don't follow the Bulls just don't understand how delusional this FO is. They think they can make noise as things stand and are still hoping that Lonzo will recover. So as long as they keep winning enough to make the play-in, they're more likely to be buyers than sellers.

I'm not arguing anything except your idea that the entire league/media is in cahoots to get LaVine to the Lakers. As if he has other suitors.

I must check myself though. Your ridiculous obsession with LaVine is derailing every thread and I got pulled into it after asking for it to stop.

LaVine isn't gonna be a Knick. Thankful you realize that at least.

[3toheadmelo]

how about anfernee simons? not sure if portland wants to keep him long term since they have scoot and sharpe

I'd love Simons, but he would be an expensive get.

Depends, IIRC Portland fans have said that their expectation is the FO would sell Brogdon for 1 FRP, Grant for 2 FRPs, and Simons for 3. If those are unprotected FRPs and they won't settle for Grimes + 24 NYK FRP + DAL FRP, then yeah we'd be priced out, but Jerry West and our 2 FRPs this spring is a significant offer.

Has his defense improved enough for him to share the court with Brunson?

he does try on defense now. ive seen some portland games. we might be able to get away with it since og is here. ddv was atrocious before og came here too

[sol537]

Simons' defense is awful. He'd have to bulk up and be better on that end to be worthwhile.

Now if we want stellar defense off the bench at the guard position, I here one Mr. Dunn may be available...

[3toheadmelo]

Simons' defense is awful. He'd have to bulk up and be better on that end to be worthwhile.

Now if we want stellar defense off the bench at the guard position, I here one Mr. Dunn may be available...

no

[cgf]

Bulls friendly reporting negates everyone else. You are funny bro. Just because they are asking too much doesn't mean they don't want to trade him. They just think they can get more and found out NO ONE wants to pay for him in value AND that ridiculous contract.

Just so I'm clear. You're arguing that the reporters with sources in the Bulls FO...who have been plenty critical of this regime...know less about the Bulls' intentions than a Lakers' beat guy & the guy who built his career on carrying water for LeBron?

Folks that don't follow the Bulls just don't understand how delusional this FO is. They think they can make noise as things stand and are still hoping that Lonzo will recover. So as long as they keep winning enough to make the play-in, they're more likely to be buyers than sellers.

I'm not arguing anything except your idea that the entire league/media is in cahoots to get LaVine to the Lakers. As if he has other suitors.

I must check myself though. Your ridiculous obsession with LaVine is derailing every thread and I got pulled into it after asking for it to stop.

LaVine isn't gonna be a Knick. Thankful you realize that at least.

I never said the entire league is in cahoots. I'm just pointing out that Lavine has asked to be traded to the Lakers, the Lakers have expressed interest in Lavine, and the only ones reporting that the Bulls need to dump Lavine ASAP regardless of what they get for him, are reporters connected to LeBron...


My obsession is with rooting our conversations in facts/evidence rather than popular opinion/common misconceptions, that's why I ask about sources so we can consider where their information is coming from. I get sucked into defending Lavine when people exaggerate his flaws, the same way I get sucked into defending Julius when people exaggerate his.

[3toheadmelo]

deuce > dunn

[Jalen Bluntson]

Just so I'm clear. You're arguing that the reporters with sources in the Bulls FO...who have been plenty critical of this regime...know less about the Bulls' intentions than a Lakers' beat guy & the guy who built his career on carrying water for LeBron?

Folks that don't follow the Bulls just don't understand how delusional this FO is. They think they can make noise as things stand and are still hoping that Lonzo will recover. So as long as they keep winning enough to make the play-in, they're more likely to be buyers than sellers.

I'm not arguing anything except your idea that the entire league/media is in cahoots to get LaVine to the Lakers. As if he has other suitors.

I must check myself though. Your ridiculous obsession with LaVine is derailing every thread and I got pulled into it after asking for it to stop.

LaVine isn't gonna be a Knick. Thankful you realize that at least.

I never said the entire league is in cahoots. I'm just pointing out that Lavine has asked to be traded to the Lakers, the Lakers have expressed interest in Lavine, and the only ones reporting that the Bulls need to dump Lavine ASAP regardless of what they get for him, are reporters connected to LeBron...


My obsession is with rooting our conversations in facts/evidence rather than popular opinion/common misconceptions, that's why I ask about sources so we can consider where their information is coming from. I get sucked into defending Lavine when people exaggerate his flaws, the same way I get sucked into defending Julius when people exaggerate his.

So how about dem Cowboys?

[HarthorneWingo]

Just so I'm clear. You're arguing that the reporters with sources in the Bulls FO...who have been plenty critical of this regime...know less about the Bulls' intentions than a Lakers' beat guy & the guy who built his career on carrying water for LeBron?

Folks that don't follow the Bulls just don't understand how delusional this FO is. They think they can make noise as things stand and are still hoping that Lonzo will recover. So as long as they keep winning enough to make the play-in, they're more likely to be buyers than sellers.

I'm not arguing anything except your idea that the entire league/media is in cahoots to get LaVine to the Lakers. As if he has other suitors.

I must check myself though. Your ridiculous obsession with LaVine is derailing every thread and I got pulled into it after asking for it to stop.

LaVine isn't gonna be a Knick. Thankful you realize that at least.

I never said the entire league is in cahoots. I'm just pointing out that Lavine has asked to be traded to the Lakers, the Lakers have expressed interest in Lavine, and the only ones reporting that the Bulls need to dump Lavine ASAP regardless of what they get for him, are reporters connected to LeBron...


My obsession is with rooting our conversations in facts/evidence rather than popular opinion/common misconceptions, that's why I ask about sources so we can consider where their information is coming from. I get sucked into defending Lavine when people exaggerate his flaws, the same way I get sucked into defending Julius when people exaggerate his.

I’ll take “popular opinions and common misconceptions” for $500, Alex.

[cgf]

Simons' defense is awful. He'd have to bulk up and be better on that end to be worthwhile.

Now if we want stellar defense off the bench at the guard position, I here one Mr. Dunn may be available...

That would be my concern cause his metrics are pretty brutal. I haven't watched Portland enough to have strong opinions about their players, but his #s are really rough...-1.98 D-DARKO & -3.1 D-EPM.

I like Dunn in general as a depth defensive guard, he just feels a bit pointless when we've already got McBride & Grimes on our bench. So if we could fill our needs for creation and Mitch-protection first, I'd be down to grab Dunn too...same way my dream scenario is flipping Fournier + fillers for Coby White + Caruso + Gafford.

Just feels like that Dunn/Caruso veteran defensive guard should only be filled after we've dealt with our other two priorities.

[cgf]

I'm not arguing anything except your idea that the entire league/media is in cahoots to get LaVine to the Lakers. As if he has other suitors.

I must check myself though. Your ridiculous obsession with LaVine is derailing every thread and I got pulled into it after asking for it to stop.

LaVine isn't gonna be a Knick. Thankful you realize that at least.

I never said the entire league is in cahoots. I'm just pointing out that Lavine has asked to be traded to the Lakers, the Lakers have expressed interest in Lavine, and the only ones reporting that the Bulls need to dump Lavine ASAP regardless of what they get for him, are reporters connected to LeBron...


My obsession is with rooting our conversations in facts/evidence rather than popular opinion/common misconceptions, that's why I ask about sources so we can consider where their information is coming from. I get sucked into defending Lavine when people exaggerate his flaws, the same way I get sucked into defending Julius when people exaggerate his.

So how about dem Cowboys?

I haven't followed handegg since Eli Manning was still vacillating between a profoundly mediocre starting QB and an absolutely unstoppable 2-minute drill guy lol

But 1.FC Union Berlin got a result from their first game after the winter beak, and our new CB looks like he'll fit our club ethos...we're a very hipstery/anti-commercial club with a very blue-collar tradition on the pitch; so not everyone fits in...especially since we started winning games and being able to afford more talented players.

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[thebuzzardman]

We almost hit 100 pages in like 15 days.

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90% of those pages are about Lavine

[Jeffrey]

Lavine going to LAL would be ... I don't know. Next year they will hit the 2nd apron if Lebron opts in or signs an extension. They will be almost handcuffed going forward. Lavine is a good 3rd option if Lebron and AD can stay healthy.

[cgf]

Randle for Siakam?

I wouldn't argue against it as vehemently as I have the idea of getting Dejounte Murray, but I don't think it would make a lot of sense for us. Siakam hasn't really been great in the playoffs either...especially as a primary option...they're comparable playmakers, and our offense worries me more than our defense...especially if Mitch comes back.

So when you add in that Julius has 1 more cheap year guaranteed...and maybe even 2 if we could talk him into an opt-in-&-extend like we did with Hart...I'd rather hold onto the guy who said he wanted to win a ring in NY, and who can be the more unstoppable scorer 1-on-1.

If we had an elite #1 that let Brunson be our 2nd option, then I think the argument for Siakam would get stronger...but I also think that Julius' defense would improve a lot if he were our 3rd option instead of being co-1B's with Brunson; as we saw in 2021 that when Julius is focusing his energy on that end of the court, he can make a similar impact to Siakam.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Murray to Nets?

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[sol537]

I'm good with Murray & Capela. I can rock with that and it could put us on the level of the Bucks this playoffs and a potential ECF trip against Boston.

Alternatively, a cheaper approach would be to go after Olynyk and Dunn to bolster our bench in areas of need at a relatively low cost. I imagine one protected 1st and a 2nd could get it done.

And yet a 3rd option is to go after Gafford and Jones out of Washington to help us in the C and PG department.

Any of those 3 moves increases our ECF chances pretty tremendously.

[Jeffrey]

Murray to Nets?

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Murray to the Nets actually makes sense. They are in dire need of a lead guard. Can't trust Simmons and Dinwiddie is best served as a sixth man.

Dinwiddie + draft picks for Murray is the same thing as Fournier + draft picks. It all depends on protections.

I hear Nets fans are not enamor with Claxton getting a big contract... need to k now if this is true.

[Jeffrey]

Whoever we get for Fournier + 1st will ultimately be traded to another team in the offseason with possibly Randle. Maybe Murray does make sense on our end if we're considering possibly trading him this offseason.

This player has to be a starter level or fringe All-Star. If Twolves decide to trade KAT... trade would probably be Randle and Murray for KAT + fillers. That trade is a lot easier to stomach than Randle+ parts for KAT.

[cgf]

We almost hit 100 pages in like 15 days.

Part 2 - viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2344984

Part 1 - viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2324374

90% of those pages are about Lavine

You're welcome

Lavine going to LAL would be ... I don't know. Next year they will hit the 2nd apron if Lebron opts in or signs an extension. They will be almost handcuffed going forward. Lavine is a good 3rd option if Lebron and AD can stay healthy.

They would be severely limited by those super-Tax restrictions moving forward, but if they got LeBron another ring in the process, they wouldn't care. And given how badly LA needs someone other than LeBron & AD that they can rely on offensively, if they really could get Zach & AC without losing Reaves, Rui, or Christie, they'd suddenly be really dangerous

AD - LeBron - Rui - Lavine - Caruso
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Reaves, Christie, 1 of: Vanderbilt/Reddish/Wood, buyout guys

[cgf]

Murray to Nets?

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Thank you, this is what I've been asking the pro-Murray people for. Windy's a legit source. If he's saying we've talked to them about Murray, that lends a lot more credence to the rumors of our interest.

So at minimum, we called to see if we could snag him on the cheap.

[Jeffrey]

We almost hit 100 pages in like 15 days.

Part 2 - viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2344984

Part 1 - viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2324374

90% of those pages are about Lavine

You're welcome

Lavine going to LAL would be ... I don't know. Next year they will hit the 2nd apron if Lebron opts in or signs an extension. They will be almost handcuffed going forward. Lavine is a good 3rd option if Lebron and AD can stay healthy.

They would be severely limited by those super-Tax restrictions moving forward, but if they got LeBron another ring in the process, they wouldn't care. And given how badly LA needs someone other than LeBron & AD that they can rely on offensively, if they really could get Zach & AC without losing Reaves, Rui, or Christie, they'd suddenly be really dangerous

AD - LeBron - Rui - Lavine - Caruso
+
Reaves, Christie, 1 of: Vanderbilt/Reddish/Wood, buyout guys

I still don't see how Lakers can get away with trading for Lavine and Caruso without giving up Reeves. For sure Lavine but not both.

BTW, I want Caruso on the Knicks in the worst way.