Quentin Grimes

[Reign23]

I’m watching the Nuggets vs. Celtics game and I spending a lot of time focusing on Jamal Murray. And I’m like, he reminds me a lot of QG in terms of size and physique. So I’m thinking why cant Grimes turn into Murray? Even a poor man’s Murray would be fine.

One thing I noticed is that Murray plays much more free and easy whereas Grimes plays like if he makes a mistake, Thibs will sub him out.

The upshot is that I’m afraid that if we trade Grimes, he will flourish in a more conducive environment.

I understand that QG has made it know to the coaching staff that he’s very frustrated. I think that if we trade him, we’d be selling very low.

Jamal Murray - the player Denver drafted with the draft rights we surrendered for Carmelo Anthony and Andrea Bargnani (since Denver took advantage of their right to swap for the better pick in that draft).

I do not doubt that Grimes will prosper elsewhere. He was fine last season. Sometimes bad things happen to good people.

We saw what he did to Obi...who has the 2nd highest TS% in the LEAGUE this season. We have heard multiple players comment on not being happy. He is a terrible coach who cannot utilize players strengths AT ALL. His offense is trash and his defense ignores the 3 pt shot. He sucks. he needs to go. I am so done with him. If they extend him it's a wrap in any title hopes we may have while we have Brunson.

I think overall he is an average coach. above average when you are going to make a push and go for as many regular season wins as possible. but absolutely horrific in terms of player devolpment and in-game adjustments.

(still our best coach since Mike Woodson, but that speaks more of how terrible Fizdale, Fisher and Hornacek were)

[Jalen Bluntson]

I am so let down by how wrong my opinion of this kid was coming into this season. I had legitimate hope for him becoming a 30 MPG rotational glue-guy, 3-D wing - kind of like a mini version of Anunoby - and then with additional ceiling to strive towards in the coming years.

Those tools are still there, it just doesn't seem like the kid has the ability to apply them in the most beneficial and/or productive way. He just doesn't have "it" at this point.

Just my opinion, but virtually NO human being with less than 3 years NBA experience will have “it” on the Knicks.

It’s not a coincidence that the 6 rotation players who’ve emerged from the Leon era all spent multiple years developing elsewhere.

Unless we draft a ready-made marquee generational number 1 like a Duncan, Lebron, Zion or Wemby; literally no human on the planet can crack their full potential while beginning their career with the New York Knicks.

I had hope for Mitch because of how anachronistic Thibs is with his centers, but even that seems to be over now.

Thibs is hot garbage and ass water

[Jalen Bluntson]

Jamal Murray - the player Denver drafted with the draft rights we surrendered for Carmelo Anthony and Andrea Bargnani (since Denver took advantage of their right to swap for the better pick in that draft).

I do not doubt that Grimes will prosper elsewhere. He was fine last season. Sometimes bad things happen to good people.

We saw what he did to Obi...who has the 2nd highest TS% in the LEAGUE this season. We have heard multiple players comment on not being happy. He is a terrible coach who cannot utilize players strengths AT ALL. His offense is trash and his defense ignores the 3 pt shot. He sucks. he needs to go. I am so done with him. If they extend him it's a wrap in any title hopes we may have while we have Brunson.

I think overall he is an average coach. above average when you are going to make a push and go for as many regular season wins as possible. but absolutely horrific in terms of player devolpment and in-game adjustments.

(still our best coach since Mike Woodson, but that speaks more of how terrible Fizdale, Fisher and Hornacek were)

The bar has been very low since Woodson.

[duetta]

(still our best coach since Mike Woodson, but that speaks more of how terrible Fizdale, Fisher and Hornacek were)

Exactly. Thibs is what he is.

Woodson did a really good job - and knew enough to get away from the MSG nuthouse.

[cgmw]

I am so let down by how wrong my opinion of this kid was coming into this season. I had legitimate hope for him becoming a 30 MPG rotational glue-guy, 3-D wing - kind of like a mini version of Anunoby - and then with additional ceiling to strive towards in the coming years.

Those tools are still there, it just doesn't seem like the kid has the ability to apply them in the most beneficial and/or productive way. He just doesn't have "it" at this point.

Just my opinion, but virtually NO human being with less than 3 years NBA experience will have “it” on the Knicks.

It’s not a coincidence that the 6 rotation players who’ve emerged from the Leon era all spent multiple years developing elsewhere.

Unless we draft a ready-made marquee generational number 1 like a Duncan, Lebron, Zion or Wemby; literally no human on the planet can crack their full potential while beginning their career with the New York Knicks.

I had hope for Mitch because of how anachronistic Thibs is with his centers, but even that seems to be over now.

Thibs is hot garbage and ass water

Idk man. I appreciate how Leon finally picked a direction and showed his true colors. He’s just a more competent Isiah. This team is what it is and Thibs is a blunt instrument with predictable consequences.

Jamal Murray never would have developed here. Jokic never would have developed here. SGA never would have developed here. Haliburton never would have developed here. Paul George never. Kawhi never. Again, just my opinion. But it’s an opinion backed by watching pretty much every Knick game closely for going on 40 years.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Jamal Murray - the player Denver drafted with the draft rights we surrendered for Carmelo Anthony and Andrea Bargnani (since Denver took advantage of their right to swap for the better pick in that draft).

I do not doubt that Grimes will prosper elsewhere. He was fine last season. Sometimes bad things happen to good people.

We saw what he did to Obi...who has the 2nd highest TS% in the LEAGUE this season. We have heard multiple players comment on not being happy. He is a terrible coach who cannot utilize players strengths AT ALL. His offense is trash and his defense ignores the 3 pt shot. He sucks. he needs to go. I am so done with him. If they extend him it's a wrap in any title hopes we may have while we have Brunson.

I think overall he is an average coach. above average when you are going to make a push and go for as many regular season wins as possible. but absolutely horrific in terms of player devolpment and in-game adjustments.

(still our best coach since Mike Woodson, but that speaks more of how terrible Fizdale, Fisher and Hornacek were)

He's a defensive specialist but, our defense ignores the 3 pt shot. The only reason we have a good defense is because we have so many defenders in the roster...THAT CAN'T SCORE! His offense is dog shyt but, when you leave your starters in for 38+ minutes a game. He manages to get wins IF we shoot the three at a crazy clip or we run players into the ground for 82 games. We all know he sucks in the playoffs too. So... average is not he word I would use.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Just my opinion, but virtually NO human being with less than 3 years NBA experience will have “it” on the Knicks.

It’s not a coincidence that the 6 rotation players who’ve emerged from the Leon era all spent multiple years developing elsewhere.

Unless we draft a ready-made marquee generational number 1 like a Duncan, Lebron, Zion or Wemby; literally no human on the planet can crack their full potential while beginning their career with the New York Knicks.

I had hope for Mitch because of how anachronistic Thibs is with his centers, but even that seems to be over now.

Thibs is hot garbage and ass water

Idk man. I appreciate how Leon finally picked a direction and showed his true colors. He’s just a more competent Isiah. This team is what it is and Thibs is a blunt instrument with predictable consequences.

Jamal Murray never would have developed here. Jokic never would have developed here. SGA never would have developed here. Haliburton never would have developed here. Paul George never. Kawhi never. Again, just my opinion. But it’s an opinion backed by watching pretty much every Knick game closely for going on 40 years.

Leon is way better than Zeke. That's not even an exaggeration. The only issue I have with Leon is that he hired Thibs and wastes assets because Thibs wants what he wants. The nepotism is pretty bad too. This CAA BS has been going on for too long. Did we ever have a winning season with Zeke?

[robillionaire]

8-2 in the last 10. But 25th pick in the draft didn’t become Klay Thompson. The Isaiah Thomas years are clearly back. Fire everyone

[Jalen Bluntson]

8-2 in the last 10. But 25th pick in the draft didn’t become Klay Thompson. The Isaiah Thomas years are clearly back. Fire everyone

8-2 because we have played garbage teams. We probably go 10-0 without the trade.

[Reign23]

We saw what he did to Obi...who has the 2nd highest TS% in the LEAGUE this season. We have heard multiple players comment on not being happy. He is a terrible coach who cannot utilize players strengths AT ALL. His offense is trash and his defense ignores the 3 pt shot. He sucks. he needs to go. I am so done with him. If they extend him it's a wrap in any title hopes we may have while we have Brunson.

I think overall he is an average coach. above average when you are going to make a push and go for as many regular season wins as possible. but absolutely horrific in terms of player devolpment and in-game adjustments.

(still our best coach since Mike Woodson, but that speaks more of how terrible Fizdale, Fisher and Hornacek were)

He's a defensive specialist but, our defense ignores the 3 pt shot. The only reason we have a good defense is because we have so many defenders in the roster...THAT CAN'T SCORE! His offense is dog shyt but, when you leave your starters in for 38+ minutes a game. He manages to get wins IF we shoot the three at a crazy clip or we run players into the ground for 82 games. We all know he sucks in the playoffs too. So... average is not he word I would use.

this is true, and gets barely mentioned in the last few weeks. we are very good on d (I think top 5 in the league easily), but the numbers from the current stretch are a little bit misleading. teams are missing such a crazy amount of wide open threes against us.. that is evening out at some point.

[Iron Mantis]

I am so let down by how wrong my opinion of this kid was coming into this season. I had legitimate hope for him becoming a 30 MPG rotational glue-guy, 3-D wing - kind of like a mini version of Anunoby - and then with additional ceiling to strive towards in the coming years.

Those tools are still there, it just doesn't seem like the kid has the ability to apply them in the most beneficial and/or productive way. He just doesn't have "it" at this point.

Just my opinion, but virtually NO human being with less than 3 years NBA experience will have “it” on the Knicks.

It’s not a coincidence that the 6 rotation players who’ve emerged from the Leon era all spent multiple years developing elsewhere.

Unless we draft a ready-made marquee generational number 1 like a Duncan, Lebron, Zion or Wemby; literally no human on the planet can crack their full potential while beginning their career with the New York Knicks.

I had hope for Mitch because of how anachronistic Thibs is with his centers, but even that seems to be over now.

[Buttah304]

8-2 in the last 10. But 25th pick in the draft didn’t become Klay Thompson. The Isaiah Thomas years are clearly back. Fire everyone

8-2 because we have played garbage teams. We probably go 10-0 without the trade.

We gave up 127 PPG in the prior 6 games before the trade which was dead last in the NBA. I’m pretty sure you’re clearly joking

[HopelessKnick]

Astonishing really that despite losing IQ and RJ , Grimes has seen zero increase in playing time. We need to trade him just for the simple reason that Thibs is not going to play him more....his value will only go down from here on.....sad truth...

[duetta]

8-2 in the last 10. But 25th pick in the draft didn’t become Klay Thompson. The Isaiah Thomas years are clearly back. Fire everyone

8-2 because we have played garbage teams. We probably go 10-0 without the trade.

I think OG makes a difference, with both his corner threes and superior defense. The problem is that we now need to make another trade for a 'playmaker' because management had decided that Quick was not worth the 27m per /135m deal that he was seeking.

Someone else pointed out in another thread that management had made the firm decision not to pay Quick. Given how perfect a fit he was to Thibs' system, that was a penny-wise and pound-foolish decision. Toronto is collecting draft choices - so I am positive that a deal could have been made without the inclusion of a free-agent-to-be.

The Grimes thing is a different story. Given that we know that management was ready to pull the plug on Thibs last December had the team not started winning, it is an indisputable fact that Grimes saved Thibs' job. It is also a fact that the degenerate selfishness of Thibs' offensive scheme led to Grimes being frozen out early in the season and his confidence being shaken.

Grimes didn't take the summer off. He was part of the USA B team and also worked with Penny Hardaway on his game. Grimes just reacted poorly being asked to guard the other's best wing or PG night-after-night, and then being completely ignored on the offensive end. Thibs created an emotionally toxic situation for the kid.

Now Rose is tasked with trading Grimes at about 25%-50% of his offseason value to bring a player to replace what Quickley gave us. This is horrible, horrible asset management.

[robillionaire]

8-2 in the last 10. But 25th pick in the draft didn’t become Klay Thompson. The Isaiah Thomas years are clearly back. Fire everyone

8-2 because we have played garbage teams. We probably go 10-0 without the trade.

I think OG makes a difference, with both his corner threes and superior defense. The problem is that we now need to make another trade for a 'playmaker' because management had decided that Quick was not worth the 27m per /135m deal that he was seeking.

Someone else pointed out in another thread that management had made the firm decision not to pay Quick. Given how perfect a fit he was to Thibs' system, that was a penny-wise and pound-foolish decision. Toronto is collecting draft choices - so I am positive that a deal could have been made without the inclusion of a free-agent-to-be.

The Grimes thing is a different story. Given that we know that management was ready to pull the plug on Thibs last December had the team not started winning, it is an indisputable fact that Grimes saved Thibs' job. It is also a fact that the degenerate selfishness of Thibs' offensive scheme led to Grimes being frozen out early in the season and his confidence being shaken.

Grimes didn't take the summer off. He was part of the USA B team and also worked with Penny Hardaway on his game. Grimes just reacted poorly being asked to guard the other's best wing or PG night-after-night, and then being completely ignored on the offensive end. Thibs created an emotionally toxic situation for the kid.

Now Rose is tasked with trading Grimes at about 25%-50% of his offseason value to bring a player to replace what Quickley gave us. This is horrible, horrible asset management.

Donte doesn’t seem to struggle with the scheme. He’s not afraid to shoot either. Hard to say it’s the scheme’s fault when you slot in the next man up and he easily does the job the way it’s supposed to be done

[Jalen Bluntson]

8-2 in the last 10. But 25th pick in the draft didn’t become Klay Thompson. The Isaiah Thomas years are clearly back. Fire everyone

8-2 because we have played garbage teams. We probably go 10-0 without the trade.

We gave up 127 PPG in the prior 6 games before the trade which was dead last in the NBA. I’m pretty sure you’re clearly joking

Yeah... I'm joking about the trade but not the schedule

[robillionaire]

8-2 because we have played garbage teams. We probably go 10-0 without the trade.

We gave up 127 PPG in the prior 6 games before the trade which was dead last in the NBA. I’m pretty sure you’re clearly joking

Yeah... I'm joking about the trade but not the schedule

We beat the Timberwolves and your 76ers in the stretch and they’re pretty good teams

[thebuzzardman]

There's an incredible amount of bullsh*t takes in here

[Jalen Bluntson]

8-2 because we have played garbage teams. We probably go 10-0 without the trade.

I think OG makes a difference, with both his corner threes and superior defense. The problem is that we now need to make another trade for a 'playmaker' because management had decided that Quick was not worth the 27m per /135m deal that he was seeking.

Someone else pointed out in another thread that management had made the firm decision not to pay Quick. Given how perfect a fit he was to Thibs' system, that was a penny-wise and pound-foolish decision. Toronto is collecting draft choices - so I am positive that a deal could have been made without the inclusion of a free-agent-to-be.

The Grimes thing is a different story. Given that we know that management was ready to pull the plug on Thibs last December had the team not started winning, it is an indisputable fact that Grimes saved Thibs' job. It is also a fact that the degenerate selfishness of Thibs' offensive scheme led to Grimes being frozen out early in the season and his confidence being shaken.

Grimes didn't take the summer off. He was part of the USA B team and also worked with Penny Hardaway on his game. Grimes just reacted poorly being asked to guard the other's best wing or PG night-after-night, and then being completely ignored on the offensive end. Thibs created an emotionally toxic situation for the kid.

Now Rose is tasked with trading Grimes at about 25%-50% of his offseason value to bring a player to replace what Quickley gave us. This is horrible, horrible asset management.

Donte doesn’t seem to struggle with the scheme. He’s not afraid to shoot either. Hard to say it’s the scheme’s fault when you slot in the next man up and he easily does the job the way it’s supposed to be done

Donte wasn't drafted here and has played with championship level teams and players. With 3 more years of experience. Not to mention Grimes missed a lot of time in his first year. QG only knows Thibs BS way of treating players and running things. I'm sure that has A lot to do with it.

[Buttah304]

8-2 because we have played garbage teams. We probably go 10-0 without the trade.

We gave up 127 PPG in the prior 6 games before the trade which was dead last in the NBA. I’m pretty sure you’re clearly joking

Yeah... I'm joking about the trade but not the schedule

We simply cannot control that. Cleveland has played 16 road games to our 24. We’ve played 9 B2B both Philly and Bucks are at 6. It’s cliche but you have to beat the teams in front of you. The entire media world was waiting to see Pascal, Tyrese and Nesmith back and we saw them lose to Portland. The same Trailblazers who had just got outscored by 33 points per game over their recent 4 game stretch. Season is a grind for everybody.