I honestly think we could make no moves this offseason and we would be fine.

[Knick4Real]

1) Opt-in and extend OG; final year player option
2) Extend iHart at his max; final year player option
3) Extend Brunson with team-friendly deal
4) Extend Randle with team-friendly deal
5) Offer Precious & Burks vet min type deals... unlikely that either takes it
6) Draft three 2-way players via #24, #25, #38
7) Extend Thibs for 4 more years beyond next season; timeline matches "core" players' timeline
8) Keep Bogs and future picks until Feb '25 trade deadline for an upgrade
9) Leave Rokas overseas one more year
10) Offer Melton 3-year MLE deal

iHart / Robinson / Draftee
Randle / Hart
OG / Bogs / Draftee
DDV / McBride
Brunson / Melton / Draftee

Run. It. Back.

1 - unlikely, he is limited by 140% extension rule, so it would 20 mil opt in with the extension, max he can sign is around 4 year 120 mil. so 20 + 120 = 5 year 140 mil deal basically. he can do better than that on a 4 year deal.
2 - sure if he accepts it
3 - unlikely, you offer it, but there is a delta of 100+ million if he waits till next offseason.
4 - sure, but what is team friend meet player friendly intersection point.
5 - unliekly, just to keep precious RFA, his qualifing offer is 6+ mil
6 - sure, but those 3 rookies will cost about 7 mil cap space.
7 - done deal
8 - unlikely, since keeping both OG, ihart, 3 picks etc and then picking up bogs option puts them into the 2nd apron, only way i see them picking it up is they know ihart or og is leaving.
9 - sure, but he has some say in it.
10 - goes back to point 8. if you keep borgs + og + ihart you are into the 2nd apron, no mle to offer, if they keep OG + ihart but let bogs walk, then they should have enough space to offer full mle deal, but it will be close.

Stop dashing my dreams

HAHAHA correct!!

It's easy for fans of all teams to create wish lists. However, the league has crushed a lot of hopes and dreams with their damned "new" rules. Unfortunately, a lot of things all teams would "like" to happen will be next to impossible in the coming season.

[WargamesX]

Everytime this FO gets full of themselves the team takes a step back because other teams make big changes to improve year in and year out. Also, while we were close going to game 7 in the semifinals still shows some room for improvement. The Knicks could mostly run it back but they should still strive to improve if the possibility is out there.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Everytime this FO gets full of themselves the team takes a step back because other teams make big changes to improve year in and year out. Also, while we were close going to game 7 in the semifinals still shows some room for improvement. The Knicks could mostly run it back but they should still strive to improve if the possibility is out there.

Umm...they only had one bad season in 4 years. Playoffs 3 times second round twice. Obviously we have room to improve. Some stronger bench depth would do wonders but, we have a solid starting 5 and the bench isn't bad either. Fully healthy we are very close.

Brunson/Deuce
DDV/Hart
OG/
Randle/Bogs
iHart*/Mitch

Playmaking wing or PG off the bench? Who we getting? I think iHart takes the money we can offer but, * until it happens. OG is not going anywhere.

I really think we are better served with securing the bench to go 10 deep at least and run back the rest healthy. Focusing on keeping them fresh for the long haul. The market will obviously dictate if there is a big move to make but, I'm not gearing up for that.

[KnicksGadfly]

1) Opt-in and extend OG; final year player option
2) Extend iHart at his max; final year player option
3) Extend Brunson with team-friendly deal
4) Extend Randle with team-friendly deal
5) Offer Precious & Burks vet min type deals... unlikely that either takes it
6) Draft three 2-way players via #24, #25, #38
7) Extend Thibs for 4 more years beyond next season; timeline matches "core" players' timeline
8) Keep Bogs and future picks until Feb '25 trade deadline for an upgrade
9) Leave Rokas overseas one more year
10) Offer Melton 3-year MLE deal

iHart / Robinson / Draftee
Randle / Hart
OG / Bogs / Draftee
DDV / McBride
Brunson / Melton / Draftee

Run. It. Back.

1 - unlikely, he is limited by 140% extension rule, so it would 20 mil opt in with the extension, max he can sign is around 4 year 120 mil. so 20 + 120 = 5 year 140 mil deal basically. he can do better than that on a 4 year deal.
2 - sure if he accepts it
3 - unlikely, you offer it, but there is a delta of 100+ million if he waits till next offseason.
4 - sure, but what is team friend meet player friendly intersection point.
5 - unliekly, just to keep precious RFA, his qualifing offer is 6+ mil
6 - sure, but those 3 rookies will cost about 7 mil cap space.
7 - done deal
8 - unlikely, since keeping both OG, ihart, 3 picks etc and then picking up bogs option puts them into the 2nd apron, only way i see them picking it up is they know ihart or og is leaving.
9 - sure, but he has some say in it.
10 - goes back to point 8. if you keep borgs + og + ihart you are into the 2nd apron, no mle to offer, if they keep OG + ihart but let bogs walk, then they should have enough space to offer full mle deal, but it will be close.

This is a good post. Basically, there is no such thing as "giving it another try" -- there's an inflection point coming where the Knicks need to make tough decisions about players.

[WargamesX]

Everytime this FO gets full of themselves the team takes a step back because other teams make big changes to improve year in and year out. Also, while we were close going to game 7 in the semifinals still shows some room for improvement. The Knicks could mostly run it back but they should still strive to improve if the possibility is out there.

Umm...they only had one bad season in 4 years. Playoffs 3 times second round twice. Obviously we have room to improve. Some stronger bench depth would do wonders but, we have a solid starting 5 and the bench isn't bad either. Fully healthy we are very close.

Brunson/Deuce
DDV/Hart
OG/
Randle/Bogs
iHart*/Mitch

Playmaking wing or PG off the bench? Who we getting? I think iHart takes the money we can offer but, * until it happens. OG is not going anywhere.

I really think we are better served with securing the bench to go 10 deep at least and run back the rest healthy. Focusing on keeping them fresh for the long haul. The market will obviously dictate if there is a big move to make but, I'm not gearing up for that.

Randle got beat up year 1, they bought Kemba and Fournier would be enough and they didn’t make the playoffs. They are a move to get Brunson and made a big improvement. Then they came into this year trying to run it back and struggled until they made a trade to improve.

Basically they should not rest on their laurels.

[jstudabaka]

The thing is, more and more it looks like an uphill climb even to keep the same team. I'm not sure the 72 mil will be enough to retain Hartenstein

[sol537]

1) Opt-in and extend OG; final year player option
2) Extend iHart at his max; final year player option
3) Extend Brunson with team-friendly deal
4) Extend Randle with team-friendly deal
5) Offer Precious & Burks vet min type deals... unlikely that either takes it
6) Draft three 2-way players via #24, #25, #38
7) Extend Thibs for 4 more years beyond next season; timeline matches "core" players' timeline
8) Keep Bogs and future picks until Feb '25 trade deadline for an upgrade
9) Leave Rokas overseas one more year
10) Offer Melton 3-year MLE deal

iHart / Robinson / Draftee
Randle / Hart
OG / Bogs / Draftee
DDV / McBride
Brunson / Melton / Draftee

Run. It. Back.

1 - unlikely, he is limited by 140% extension rule, so it would 20 mil opt in with the extension, max he can sign is around 4 year 120 mil. so 20 + 120 = 5 year 140 mil deal basically. he can do better than that on a 4 year deal.
2 - sure if he accepts it
3 - unlikely, you offer it, but there is a delta of 100+ million if he waits till next offseason.
4 - sure, but what is team friend meet player friendly intersection point.
5 - unliekly, just to keep precious RFA, his qualifing offer is 6+ mil
6 - sure, but those 3 rookies will cost about 7 mil cap space.
7 - done deal
8 - unlikely, since keeping both OG, ihart, 3 picks etc and then picking up bogs option puts them into the 2nd apron, only way i see them picking it up is they know ihart or og is leaving.
9 - sure, but he has some say in it.
10 - goes back to point 8. if you keep borgs + og + ihart you are into the 2nd apron, no mle to offer, if they keep OG + ihart but let bogs walk, then they should have enough space to offer full mle deal, but it will be close.

This is a good post. Basically, there is no such thing as "giving it another try" -- there's an inflection point coming where the Knicks need to make tough decisions about players.

Reading the tea leaves... I do believe iHart will return on his $72m max with a player option on the last year to give him the flexibility to dip into another contract when the cap rises. I also believe OG will return with a final year player option to have that same flexibility. I think we'll let Burks and Precious walk. I also think there's a chance we don't pick up the guarantee on Bogs if a realistic trade can't be found so we can dip into the MLE like we did for DDV last season... perhaps they see Melton as that guy. Giving him a 3-4 year deal may be able to attract him here. And then we only draft enough players to keep us under the apron...and kick the remaining picks forward again... and, of course, we don't bring Rokas over due to cap implications.

iHart / Mitch / Sims
Randle / Hart
OG / Draftee
DDV / McBride
Brunson / Melton

That draftee will likely be a 6'8" 3&D guy to learn under OG. Maybe not the "perfect" off-season some want, but would be a very, very solid off-season given the alternatives.

[aggo]

kings thought the same.


they paid dearly and got forced into paying for a coach they dont really want, but there is no other alternative for them.




do not run it back. there are plenty of sideways moves to improve the team at minimum.

[moocow007]

They need to land another top tier star.

[Clyde_Style]

When our frontline depth collapsed due to injuries we had no ability to contain Indiana in the paint. They are not a great team but they scored in the paint at will.

Since Mitch and OG are injury prone, we need a PF who is willing and able to play superior defense. If you can replace two-thirds of Randle's offensive output with an excellent defender we should continue to build a top defensive team. That alone would have gotten us to the ECF this year.

If they don't make a big move for a 2nd star then they need to continue to emphasize our depth on defense and perimeter shooting.

[8516knicks]

When our frontline depth collapsed due to injuries we had no ability to contain Indiana in the paint. They are not a great team but they scored in the paint at will.

Since Mitch and OG are injury prone, we need a PF who is willing and able to play superior defense. If you can replace two-thirds of Randle's offensive output with an excellent defender we should continue to build a top defensive team. That alone would have gotten us to the ECF this year.
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If they don't make a big move for a 2nd star then they need to continue to emphasize our depth on defense and perimeter shooting.

Mitch needs to go (unless he shows a real effort to get and stay in shape) - got fat and always injured especially during Playoffs. Must be better ways to use the money he gets.

Draft Dunn for a big backcourt D player to pair with Brunson. Use Mitch's money for Precious (or someone better), find Bogs a new home and draft a reliable backup to Ihart.