Rose Master Plan Complete: Create best Thibs roster around Brunson

[Jalen Bluntson]

Clips with Kawhi is exactly the scenario I would like to point. That franchise is hopeless for the next half a decade if not longer. AD/LBJ combo is not comparable given the length of commitment.

Overall these generalizations do not compare to the risk we are taking. You are right Clippers is the prime comparison which hasn’t been a great thing. But it could even be worse than that with all the new restrictions. When/if KAT and or OK goes down, the replacement is not a decent but declining veteran. It would be someone who would normally be out of league or a two way player.

Are you going to ignore the Sixers and Phoenix? KP in Boston? It's not just us. Teams take risks. Neither KAT nor OG have career threatening injury histories. Those other teams do. I do have some concern but, you pay to play. There is nothing guaranteed that either player will get injured either. That's just speculation and fear. Not crazy to suggest but, not a fact either. That's the name of the game. You have to play the games and see what happens.

In our case, we have YOUNG players to fill in if either player gets hurt. The entire roster is under under 30.

Pretty sure everything you posted is just wrong.

Boston took KP on half the price of KAT and one third of the price of KAT/OG duo. They ended up not having KP until the finals. Again all your examples point to what I am saying. You take one risk, it may or may not turn out well and that is okay. The Knicks took on multitude of risk tying half the cap on players averaging 50-60 games a year. Not one player. Not a contract that will expire couple of year from now. But half the cap for the next four years. The amount of risk we took is multiples of every example you gave. The downside of not having KP healthy is still a finals run. The backup is a solid vet who has done it many times. The downside of not having KAT/OG for long stretches is Sims/Precious with the downside risk of a .500 team.

I really wanted to see this team fully healthy and just go get a center. I am not a fan of the trade but, I see positives in it. If it fails...it sucks.

[KnixinSix]

Are you going to ignore the Sixers and Phoenix? KP in Boston? It's not just us. Teams take risks. Neither KAT nor OG have career threatening injury histories. Those other teams do. I do have some concern but, you pay to play. There is nothing guaranteed that either player will get injured either. That's just speculation and fear. Not crazy to suggest but, not a fact either. That's the name of the game. You have to play the games and see what happens.

In our case, we have YOUNG players to fill in if either player gets hurt. The entire roster is under under 30.

Pretty sure everything you posted is just wrong.

Boston took KP on half the price of KAT and one third of the price of KAT/OG duo. They ended up not having KP until the finals. Again all your examples point to what I am saying. You take one risk, it may or may not turn out well and that is okay. The Knicks took on multitude of risk tying half the cap on players averaging 50-60 games a year. Not one player. Not a contract that will expire couple of year from now. But half the cap for the next four years. The amount of risk we took is multiples of every example you gave. The downside of not having KP healthy is still a finals run. The backup is a solid vet who has done it many times. The downside of not having KAT/OG for long stretches is Sims/Precious with the downside risk of a .500 team.

I really wanted to see this team fully healthy and just go get a center. I am not a fan of the trade but, I see positives in it. If it fails...it sucks.

Maybe a couple more complementary pieces are coming

[Jalen Bluntson]

Boston took KP on half the price of KAT and one third of the price of KAT/OG duo. They ended up not having KP until the finals. Again all your examples point to what I am saying. You take one risk, it may or may not turn out well and that is okay. The Knicks took on multitude of risk tying half the cap on players averaging 50-60 games a year. Not one player. Not a contract that will expire couple of year from now. But half the cap for the next four years. The amount of risk we took is multiples of every example you gave. The downside of not having KP healthy is still a finals run. The backup is a solid vet who has done it many times. The downside of not having KAT/OG for long stretches is Sims/Precious with the downside risk of a .500 team.

I really wanted to see this team fully healthy and just go get a center. I am not a fan of the trade but, I see positives in it. If it fails...it sucks.

Maybe a couple more complementary pieces are coming

I would hope so. I am just trying to see the positives because this is it. They have their core locked in for at least 4 years. I can see them pushing for the title this season but falling short wouldn't crush me. This is the beginning of the road. Boston took a few years to make it work. We aren't that far off right now. Hoping they get us the rest of the way.

It's ridiculous to be down about things with this team right now. This is the best run of a GM since the 90s. The most successful team in the last 25 years. We are as close as we have been in all my years as a fan other than 94 & 99. I'm looking forward to the season. Even if it is a total switcheroo at the last second.

[KnixinSix]

I really wanted to see this team fully healthy and just go get a center. I am not a fan of the trade but, I see positives in it. If it fails...it sucks.

Maybe a couple more complementary pieces are coming

I would hope so. I am just trying to see the positives because this is it. They have their core locked in for at least 4 years. I can see them pushing for the title this season but falling short wouldn't crush me. This is the beginning of the road. Boston took a few years to make it work. We aren't that far off right now. Hoping they get us the rest of the way.

It's ridiculous to be down about things with this team right now. This is the best run of a GM since the 90s. The most successful team in the last 25 years. We are as close as we have been in all my years as a fan other than 94 & 99. I'm looking forward to the season. Even if it is a total switcheroo at the last second.

I appreciate the fact that even though you have your doubts , you can see that there's definitely a possibility that this team could be improved with KAT.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Maybe a couple more complementary pieces are coming

I would hope so. I am just trying to see the positives because this is it. They have their core locked in for at least 4 years. I can see them pushing for the title this season but falling short wouldn't crush me. This is the beginning of the road. Boston took a few years to make it work. We aren't that far off right now. Hoping they get us the rest of the way.

It's ridiculous to be down about things with this team right now. This is the best run of a GM since the 90s. The most successful team in the last 25 years. We are as close as we have been in all my years as a fan other than 94 & 99. I'm looking forward to the season. Even if it is a total switcheroo at the last second.

I appreciate the fact that even though you have your doubts , you can see that there's definitely a possibility that this team could be improved with KAT.

I think he's a better player than Randle. I think he's more versatile to what the team needed losing Shart and Mitch being down yet again. I get the fit and the different looks we can go with.

I trust the FO more than I trust myself or anyone's opinions on here/in the media. I just think this move is so bold that it scares me a little. We are in rarified air with this team right now. It's actually more nerve wracking than it was rooting for losses and knowing everything was gonna fail for the last 1/4 century.

The fact that we are locked in makes his contract irrelevant to any discussion honestly. We were locked in before he got here. We are simply swapping out salaries at this point. Getting better talent that FITS is crucial when doing that. So far, I think we improved the talent and the fit looks great on paper. Will it translate is the part that scares me some. We had immaculate vibes here even with all the injuries. I hate breaking that up.

Will this core be enough to win it all? I need to see them play first.

[NoLayupRule]

It’s pretty incredible that both towns and Brunson were children when rose became close to them

And now they are his corner stones

He’s put such a premium on the human side of things.


But anyway the defense at the 5 is going to be an issue.
The fact that we still have Robinson here is intriguing.

He’s still one of the best defensive anchors in the league.
When healthy.

I personally think he’s getting traded for a big.
A pf who can mix it up inside

I’m not sure who that is.
It’ll have to be a young guy that rose sees greatness in.
No one is trading a cornerstone big for an oft injured Robinson


Any ideas who could fit that bill?

You would be better off looking for a team that would want Mitch and trying to see what you would trade him for. His value has to be garbage right now. A team like the Knicks before the KAT trade would be desperate. People have named NOP but, no one believes they will trade any of the players they want for him.

Mitchell is available and I think we would reluctantly part with McBride if we had to in the right deal for a C.

But if they can get a rim protecting C without giving up McBride they would do it. An example of one that would probably require McBride.

Charlotte/Knicks trade:


In:
KNick Richards $5M
Cody Martin 8.1M
Taj Gibson 3.3M
Devonte Graham 2.8M
Total: 19.2M

Out:
Mitchell 14.3M
McBride 4.7M
Total:19M

could we even take on 4 for 2?

I think cba requires you to keep them on the roster after trading at the 1st apron

[KnixinSix]

You would be better off looking for a team that would want Mitch and trying to see what you would trade him for. His value has to be garbage right now. A team like the Knicks before the KAT trade would be desperate. People have named NOP but, no one believes they will trade any of the players they want for him.

Mitchell is available and I think we would reluctantly part with McBride if we had to in the right deal for a C.

But if they can get a rim protecting C without giving up McBride they would do it. An example of one that would probably require McBride.

Charlotte/Knicks trade:


In:
KNick Richards $5M
Cody Martin 8.1M
Taj Gibson 3.3M
Devonte Graham 2.8M
Total: 19.2M

Out:
Mitchell 14.3M
McBride 4.7M
Total:19M

could we even take on 4 for 2?

I think cba requires you to keep them on the roster after trading at the 1st apron

Too many rules to keep up with. I worked on it awhile just to see how feasible a 3 team deal looks if we want BOTH Richards and Murphy. I think its doable with some creativity. Guess we will see.

[KnixinSix]

I would hope so. I am just trying to see the positives because this is it. They have their core locked in for at least 4 years. I can see them pushing for the title this season but falling short wouldn't crush me. This is the beginning of the road. Boston took a few years to make it work. We aren't that far off right now. Hoping they get us the rest of the way.

It's ridiculous to be down about things with this team right now. This is the best run of a GM since the 90s. The most successful team in the last 25 years. We are as close as we have been in all my years as a fan other than 94 & 99. I'm looking forward to the season. Even if it is a total switcheroo at the last second.

I appreciate the fact that even though you have your doubts , you can see that there's definitely a possibility that this team could be improved with KAT.

I think he's a better player than Randle. I think he's more versatile to what the team needed losing Shart and Mitch being down yet again. I get the fit and the different looks we can go with.

I trust the FO more than I trust myself or anyone's opinions on here/in the media. I just think this move is so bold that it scares me a little. We are in rarified air with this team right now. It's actually more nerve wracking than it was rooting for losses and knowing everything was gonna fail for the last 1/4 century.

The fact that we are locked in makes his contract irrelevant to any discussion honestly. We were locked in before he got here. We are simply swapping out salaries at this point. Getting better talent that FITS is crucial when doing that. So far, I think we improved the talent and the fit looks great on paper. Will it translate is the part that scares me some. We had immaculate vibes here even with all the injuries. I hate breaking that up.

Will this core be enough to win it all? I need to see them play first.

Im totally on board with your take. In my eyes, It has a good shot to be better bc I trust this coaching staff esp for Xs andOs. But Im not blindly garanteeing it either.

On the other side of the coin,
Those that are blindly convinced it is no matter what going to bomb without even seeing what system Thibs is going to run and how effective it will be , is a pretty horrible take too.

[Fat Kat]

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[Phish Tank]

eventually you have to go all in with a plan. You can't just wait on the sidelines to find the perfect player. It just doesn't happen like that. Enjoy this core while it exists - it'll be fun.

[FrozenEnvelope]

It's all nice and all on paper but they still have to play the games.

Ultimately this team will go as far as OG and Mitch's health takes them imho. We know Brunson, KAT, Mikal and Hart will ball out. But OG and Mitch are important unreplaceable wheels of this truck. We need both of them to win the entire thing.

[Jalen Bluntson]

It's all nice and all on paper but they still have to play the games.

Ultimately this team will go as far as OG and Mitch's health takes them imho. We know Brunson, KAT, Mikal and Hart will ball out. But OG and Mitch are important unreplaceable wheels of this truck. We need both of them to win the entire thing.

They made the 2 seed without either of them for half a season. It's more about Jalen and KAT.

[sol537]

It's all nice and all on paper but they still have to play the games.

Ultimately this team will go as far as OG and Mitch's health takes them imho. We know Brunson, KAT, Mikal and Hart will ball out. But OG and Mitch are important unreplaceable wheels of this truck. We need both of them to win the entire thing.

Yup... though I think they'll trade Mitch by the Feb deadline to get a sturdier player to reduce that injury risk from two injury prone players to one...

[thebuzzardman]

Rose master plan: Enrich his son

[StlHawksFan]

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I get what Tommy Beer is saying but holy crap were there a lot of errors in that write-up.

Leon's been great but there have been some machinations that have screwed us. For example, signing Hartenstein for less than the maximum amount of room we had available.

We gave Jalen Duren to Detroit to take on Kemba even after clearing enough space for Brunson. People wondered why until we gave Hartenstein a 2yr/$16.7M contract. But we actually could have given him close to $10M starting which would have meant roughly $11M last year and then that would have been a $19M offer this season that he may have actually taken.

But wait, there's more. We could have also just given him a 3yr deal and then he would have been signed for this year and then we wouldn't have had to deal Julius and Donte.

[Iron Mantis]

Rose master plan: Enrich his son

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[Jalen Bluntson]

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I get what Tommy Beer is saying but holy crap were there a lot of errors in that write-up.

Leon's been great but there have been some machinations that have screwed us. For example, signing Hartenstein for less than the maximum amount of room we had available.

We gave Jalen Duren to Detroit to take on Kemba even after clearing enough space for Brunson. People wondered why until we gave Hartenstein a 2yr/$16.7M contract. But we actually could have given him close to $10M starting which would have meant roughly $11M last year and then that would have been a $19M offer this season that he may have actually taken.

But wait, there's more. We could have also just given him a 3yr deal and then he would have been signed for this year and then we wouldn't have had to deal Julius and Donte.

Assuming Shart would have taken a three year deal or a 19mil offer is a great way to find something to complain about. He was clearly gambling on himself and we were gambling on his health. It's easy to Monday morning QB when no facts are involved.

Leon has been a masterclass of team building. Mistakes happen and things don't always work out perfectly but, look at how far we have come in so little time. After four years we went from 21 wins to 3 playoffs and are starting the fifth year as a top three favorite to win it all. No drafted superstar and only one superstar trade got us here. Simply amazing. We also have cap flexibility and future picks to use to help finish the puzzle.

Leon is killing it. This FO is amazing.

[Guano]

Rose master plan: Enrich his son

can't hate on it - we all want to ensure that our kids never move back home

[sol537]

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I get what Tommy Beer is saying but holy crap were there a lot of errors in that write-up.

Leon's been great but there have been some machinations that have screwed us. For example, signing Hartenstein for less than the maximum amount of room we had available.

We gave Jalen Duren to Detroit to take on Kemba even after clearing enough space for Brunson. People wondered why until we gave Hartenstein a 2yr/$16.7M contract. But we actually could have given him close to $10M starting which would have meant roughly $11M last year and then that would have been a $19M offer this season that he may have actually taken.

But wait, there's more. We could have also just given him a 3yr deal and then he would have been signed for this year and then we wouldn't have had to deal Julius and Donte.

Assuming Shart would have taken a three year deal or a 19mil offer is a great way to find something to complain about. He was clearly gambling on himself and we were gambling on his health. It's easy to Monday morning QB when no facts are involved.

Leon has been a masterclass of team building. Mistakes happen and things don't always work out perfectly but, look at how far we have come in so little time. After four years we went from 21 wins to 3 playoffs and are starting the fifth year as a top three favorite to win it all. No drafted superstar and only one superstar trade got us here. Simply amazing. We also have cap flexibility and future picks to use to help finish the puzzle.

Leon is killing it. This FO is amazing.

100%. We could also pivot in the future if this fit doesn't work as perfectly as we hope. Giannis, Luka, Jokic, Booker... who knows... one of those guys could demand out and name NY as a destination. KAT + a 3&D stud could get us in the door...

[Clyde_Style]

eventually you have to go all in with a plan. You can't just wait on the sidelines to find the perfect player. It just doesn't happen like that. Enjoy this core while it exists - it'll be fun.

Will somebody break this news to Sham please?

TIA