Pretty Worried About This Team, At Least This Year

[Spree2Houston]

If we make a move, it’s going to be OG for a star caliber player. Brunson and KAT are untouchables. Mikal and Hart will stay because of their relationships with Brunson. Brunson took less because the FO ensured him they would bring Mikal here.

[rajajackal]

fire rick brunson trade jalen and change for donovan mitchell

[knicksNOTslick]

fire rick brunson trade jalen and change for donovan mitchell

This way the Knicks finish at a higher seed in the regular season then get bounced by the Cavs led by Jalen Brunson outplaying Donovan Mitchell in a playoff series matchup.

[WentzerWuver]

After the Hawks NBA cup game, I think it's fair to say that we're currently not really close to being in the top tier of contenders. I'm sure Mitch will make a difference but 1) if so, will he stay healthy the whole year? This is what our team without him looks like and 2) is he the difference between being a middle of the pack Eastern conference playoff team and an NBA championship?

1. I trust the front office, and the hindsight wasn't available to them at the time, but does it seem that they'd be better off having made ONLY the Towns trade or ONLY the Bridges trade? If they only traded for Towns, they'd have a Brunson/Towns/OG Big 3 with enough picks to trade for a really good player on top of that and more flexibility. To a lesser extent because of how Towns is playing, if they hadn't made that deal, they'd have more depth and would have the Nova 4 together, and would at least have that as an identity. Sounds crazy, but they clearly had more of an indentity last year so far. However, They made 3 blockbuster trades in a 6 month span, chemistry is still being worked out. And again, Towns is incredible and it's not a comment on him, it's about the fact that we've done several 2 for 1 trades. Bridges is definitely playing better and I've loved him as a player and I have faith in him as well.

2. Kind of seems like they really thought they were getting Ihart back? I know there may have been other bidders, but maybe OKC paying him close to $30 mil a year is what was needed to pry him and he would've stayed here for less to a certain extent. They missed out on guys like Valanciunas and even lesser guys while this was happening.

3. Brunson, Towns and OG are playing extremely well (maybe Brunson to a slightly lesser extent but he'll be fine) and this is the result. And the starters are playing 36 min a game and they're taking the regular season more seriously than anyone. We've had good injury luck and it's easy to forget, how totally **** are we if this is the result now if OG or Towns gets hurt?

They had no identity last season with Randy still on the team. He would demand PT once healthy and most teams would not touch him with a 10 foot pole with such an inefficient player. This team is more balanced this season and if JB didn't have an off game, they would have beaten the Hawks. Hey, it can happen to any player.

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[robillionaire]

I’m not worried at all. We haven’t won a championship in 52 years what’s another year really

[Jalen Bluntson]

It's funny to think about. Last year we were all wondering how to fix this team and didn't really have any expectations until the OG trade. Then we spent a month celebrating like we were gonna win it all. Then we spent the next 3 months waiting for Randle/OG/Mitch and the team was winning games with the thinnest lineup/rotations with Brunson carrying us. We got OG/Mitch back at the end and finished as the 2 seed. Then injuries plagued the team again and we lost OG/Mitch/Bogs/Jalen/Hart was playing hurt. Lose game 7 and that's a wrap.

Most of us wanted to run it back with Mikal. We actually GOT Mikal but, Shart said nope. Randle said I want more money than I am worth. We lost DDV to Randle's selfishness as a result. Mitch misses half the season again.

We added Mikal/KAT/Payne and drafted FOUR players we kept! Brought back Precious and had a decent pre season. We started the year like we felt last January and now some people are in December feeling just like we all did last December. What a wild ride it has been.

Fire Thibs.

[Hatrick Ewing]

Everyone was fine when we were 14-8. Now we are 15-10 and the sky is falling again. I am partly guilty as well but, Thibs is the actual problem here. That's my only concern with this team. The stubborn orc faced penguin looking motherfugger!

I get this, but it seemed like they had maybe figured it out. After a few ugly losses, it feels different. Championship contenders are supposed to take care of business and rarely have stretches of multiple games where they're very suspect and show potentially fatal flaws against subpar teams.

It's still early and we haven't been "full strength" at all until the last two games. Two of Payne/Deuce/Precious have been out of the lineup much of the season. They were cruising on offense for a minute but, the defense and the rotations have been weak to bad all year. That is not all on Thibs but, a lot of it is. The talent was driving the offense. Not the coaching or the system.

I am not concerned with the roster as much as the coaching but, we need to solidify our depth and go from there. Thibs can't win without his rim protector at the 5. That's the concern and the biggest hurdle until we get Mitch and/or another rim protector center to let Thibs do his thing.

Losing Shart hurt the coach and not having Mitch healthy is making it worse. The injuries to the bench are the other issue. Trade season could not get here fast enough. I love all the mid season trades we have made and the team has gone on runs evey single time we make one. Hopefully Leon can work his magic in the next 7 weeks. The sooner the better. We need more than what we have. Trusting Mitch would be the biggest risk and possibly the biggest mistake we make this year outside of Thibs horrible coaching.

I wouldn't say they've been massively injured, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure that not having one of Mcbride, Payne, or Preciouys is an excuse.

[Hatrick Ewing]

It's funny to think about. Last year we were all wondering how to fix this team and didn't really have any expectations until the OG trade. Then we spent a month celebrating like we were gonna win it all. Then we spent the next 3 months waiting for Randle/OG/Mitch and the team was winning games with the thinnest lineup/rotations with Brunson carrying us. We got OG/Mitch back at the end and finished as the 2 seed. Then injuries plagued the team again and we lost OG/Mitch/Bogs/Jalen/Hart was playing hurt. Lose game 7 and that's a wrap.

Most of us wanted to run it back with Mikal. We actually GOT Mikal but, Shart said nope. Randle said I want more money than I am worth. We lost DDV to Randle's selfishness as a result. Mitch misses half the season again.

We added Mikal/KAT/Payne and drafted FOUR players we kept! Brought back Precious and had a decent pre season. We started the year like we felt last January and now some people are in December feeling just like we all did last December. What a wild ride it has been.

Fire Thibs.

Not sure Randle is selfish for making multiple all NBA teams and wanting to get paid lol. I'm sure everyone here thinking he was Al Harrington made him feel like he should give up millions.

[thebuzzardman]

I get this, but it seemed like they had maybe figured it out. After a few ugly losses, it feels different. Championship contenders are supposed to take care of business and rarely have stretches of multiple games where they're very suspect and show potentially fatal flaws against subpar teams.

It's still early and we haven't been "full strength" at all until the last two games. Two of Payne/Deuce/Precious have been out of the lineup much of the season. They were cruising on offense for a minute but, the defense and the rotations have been weak to bad all year. That is not all on Thibs but, a lot of it is. The talent was driving the offense. Not the coaching or the system.

I am not concerned with the roster as much as the coaching but, we need to solidify our depth and go from there. Thibs can't win without his rim protector at the 5. That's the concern and the biggest hurdle until we get Mitch and/or another rim protector center to let Thibs do his thing.

Losing Shart hurt the coach and not having Mitch healthy is making it worse. The injuries to the bench are the other issue. Trade season could not get here fast enough. I love all the mid season trades we have made and the team has gone on runs evey single time we make one. Hopefully Leon can work his magic in the next 7 weeks. The sooner the better. We need more than what we have. Trusting Mitch would be the biggest risk and possibly the biggest mistake we make this year outside of Thibs horrible coaching.

I wouldn't say they've been massively injured, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure that not having one of Mcbride, Payne, or Preciouys is an excuse.

People just use that for copium for a mismatched poor defensive starting lineup

[KOA]

Biggest difference between last year and this year? Last year we were top 5 in rebounding, this year we are bottom 5.

This team struggles against opponents with size. Even with Precious back, we don’t see too many minutes with both him and Towns out on the floor.

Thibs will adjust, just might take more time than we’d like…

[The KnicksFix]

Biggest difference between last year and this year? Last year we were top 5 in rebounding, this year we are bottom 5.

This team struggles against opponents with size. Even with Precious back, we don’t see too many minutes with both him and Towns out on the floor.

Thibs will adjust, just might take more time than we’d like…

Don’t hold your breath, no elite rim protecting big, and when we get Mitch back, we can’t rely on his health

[KOA]

Biggest difference between last year and this year? Last year we were top 5 in rebounding, this year we are bottom 5.

This team struggles against opponents with size. Even with Precious back, we don’t see too many minutes with both him and Towns out on the floor.

Thibs will adjust, just might take more time than we’d like…

Don’t hold your breath, no elite rim protecting big, and when we get Mitch back, we can’t rely on his health

The Rockets, Warriors, Clippers, Celtics have some of the top defenses in the league. None of them have elite rim protecting bigs.

Knicks are 12th in opponents pts in the paint. Rim protection is not the issue…

[Jalen Bluntson]

I get this, but it seemed like they had maybe figured it out. After a few ugly losses, it feels different. Championship contenders are supposed to take care of business and rarely have stretches of multiple games where they're very suspect and show potentially fatal flaws against subpar teams.

It's still early and we haven't been "full strength" at all until the last two games. Two of Payne/Deuce/Precious have been out of the lineup much of the season. They were cruising on offense for a minute but, the defense and the rotations have been weak to bad all year. That is not all on Thibs but, a lot of it is. The talent was driving the offense. Not the coaching or the system.

I am not concerned with the roster as much as the coaching but, we need to solidify our depth and go from there. Thibs can't win without his rim protector at the 5. That's the concern and the biggest hurdle until we get Mitch and/or another rim protector center to let Thibs do his thing.

Losing Shart hurt the coach and not having Mitch healthy is making it worse. The injuries to the bench are the other issue. Trade season could not get here fast enough. I love all the mid season trades we have made and the team has gone on runs evey single time we make one. Hopefully Leon can work his magic in the next 7 weeks. The sooner the better. We need more than what we have. Trusting Mitch would be the biggest risk and possibly the biggest mistake we make this year outside of Thibs horrible coaching.

I wouldn't say they've been massively injured, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure that not having one of Mcbride, Payne, or Preciouys is an excuse.

Massively injured? Huh? We heen short-handed all year until two games ago. It's a reality. Payne missed 6 games. Deuce missed 5. Precious missed 22. Mitch missed all 25 games so far. That's our bench. How is it an excuse? It's a fact .You think Sims counts? He doesn't .
You think one game where Huk played 15 minutes counts? It doesn't. Explain to me why Mikal played 47 minutes in a blowout. Mikal/OG/KAT play 40 minutes in another blowout. Then we can shine a light on how much we play our bench. Thibs is a joke.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. You think we played our bench this year? We have never played our primary bench once his year. We have only played three of them together for two games. It's a simple reality. Our bench sucks because we haven't had one for the whole 25 games we played.

[thebuzzardman]

It's still early and we haven't been "full strength" at all until the last two games. Two of Payne/Deuce/Precious have been out of the lineup much of the season. They were cruising on offense for a minute but, the defense and the rotations have been weak to bad all year. That is not all on Thibs but, a lot of it is. The talent was driving the offense. Not the coaching or the system.

I am not concerned with the roster as much as the coaching but, we need to solidify our depth and go from there. Thibs can't win without his rim protector at the 5. That's the concern and the biggest hurdle until we get Mitch and/or another rim protector center to let Thibs do his thing.

Losing Shart hurt the coach and not having Mitch healthy is making it worse. The injuries to the bench are the other issue. Trade season could not get here fast enough. I love all the mid season trades we have made and the team has gone on runs evey single time we make one. Hopefully Leon can work his magic in the next 7 weeks. The sooner the better. We need more than what we have. Trusting Mitch would be the biggest risk and possibly the biggest mistake we make this year outside of Thibs horrible coaching.

I wouldn't say they've been massively injured, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure that not having one of Mcbride, Payne, or Preciouys is an excuse.

Massively injured? Huh? We heen short-handed all year until two games ago. It's a reality. Payne missed 6 games. Deuce missed 5. Precious missed 22. Mitch missed all 25 games so far. That's our bench. How is it an excuse? It's a fact .You think Sims counts? He doesn't .
You think one game where Huk played 15 minutes counts? It doesn't. Explain to me why Mikal played 47 minutes in a blowout. Mikal/OG/KAT play 40 minutes in another blowout. Then we can shine a light on how much we play our bench. Thibs is a joke.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. You think we played our bench this year? We have never played our primary bench once his year. We have only played three of them together for two games. It's a simple reality. Our bench sucks because we haven't had one for the whole 25 games we played.

Knicks have been playing teams missing one and two starters all year. No excuse

[Hatrick Ewing]

I wouldn't say they've been massively injured, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure that not having one of Mcbride, Payne, or Preciouys is an excuse.

Massively injured? Huh? We heen short-handed all year until two games ago. It's a reality. Payne missed 6 games. Deuce missed 5. Precious missed 22. Mitch missed all 25 games so far. That's our bench. How is it an excuse? It's a fact .You think Sims counts? He doesn't .
You think one game where Huk played 15 minutes counts? It doesn't. Explain to me why Mikal played 47 minutes in a blowout. Mikal/OG/KAT play 40 minutes in another blowout. Then we can shine a light on how much we play our bench. Thibs is a joke.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. You think we played our bench this year? We have never played our primary bench once his year. We have only played three of them together for two games. It's a simple reality. Our bench sucks because we haven't had one for the whole 25 games we played.

Knicks have been playing teams missing one and two starters all year. No excuse

This. An 8th man being injured for 6 games is kind of an embarrassing excuse IMO. It's like saying I was 20 minutes late for work because I dropped my toothbrush so I had to spend time picking it up.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I wouldn't say they've been massively injured, wouldn't you agree? I'm not sure that not having one of Mcbride, Payne, or Preciouys is an excuse.

Massively injured? Huh? We heen short-handed all year until two games ago. It's a reality. Payne missed 6 games. Deuce missed 5. Precious missed 22. Mitch missed all 25 games so far. That's our bench. How is it an excuse? It's a fact .You think Sims counts? He doesn't .
You think one game where Huk played 15 minutes counts? It doesn't. Explain to me why Mikal played 47 minutes in a blowout. Mikal/OG/KAT play 40 minutes in another blowout. Then we can shine a light on how much we play our bench. Thibs is a joke.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. You think we played our bench this year? We have never played our primary bench once his year. We have only played three of them together for two games. It's a simple reality. Our bench sucks because we haven't had one for the whole 25 games we played.

Knicks have been playing teams missing one and two starters all year. No excuse

I am not making excuses. I am stating facts. Those teams play their benches and expand their rotation to make up for it. We don't. Oh..and 3 teams we played missing a starter...we won. Nice try bro.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Massively injured? Huh? We heen short-handed all year until two games ago. It's a reality. Payne missed 6 games. Deuce missed 5. Precious missed 22. Mitch missed all 25 games so far. That's our bench. How is it an excuse? It's a fact .You think Sims counts? He doesn't .
You think one game where Huk played 15 minutes counts? It doesn't. Explain to me why Mikal played 47 minutes in a blowout. Mikal/OG/KAT play 40 minutes in another blowout. Then we can shine a light on how much we play our bench. Thibs is a joke.

I don't even know what you're trying to say here. You think we played our bench this year? We have never played our primary bench once his year. We have only played three of them together for two games. It's a simple reality. Our bench sucks because we haven't had one for the whole 25 games we played.

Knicks have been playing teams missing one and two starters all year. No excuse

This. An 8th man being injured for 6 games is kind of an embarrassing excuse IMO. It's like saying I was 20 minutes late for work because I dropped my toothbrush so I had to spend time picking it up.

Wow. We have not had our 6th 7th 8th or 9th man on the court at the same time all season and we play 6.5-7 man rotations all year. It is not how you win games. The HC is the ONLY concern because he's a fool.

Your post makes ZERO sense.

[Hatrick Ewing]

Knicks have been playing teams missing one and two starters all year. No excuse

This. An 8th man being injured for 6 games is kind of an embarrassing excuse IMO. It's like saying I was 20 minutes late for work because I dropped my toothbrush so I had to spend time picking it up.

Wow. We have not had our 6th 7th 8th or 9th man on the court at the same time all season and we play 6.5-7 man rotations all year. It is not how you win games. The HC is the ONLY concern because he's a fool.

Your post makes ZERO sense.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the Thibs minutes thing, but I dont think having part of our bench out for a few games is even a below average outcome in terms of injury luck, that's all. If they were all healthy and OG or Towns missed games, would the same argument apply? **** happens. **** doesn't not happen.

[Jalen Bluntson]

This. An 8th man being injured for 6 games is kind of an embarrassing excuse IMO. It's like saying I was 20 minutes late for work because I dropped my toothbrush so I had to spend time picking it up.

Wow. We have not had our 6th 7th 8th or 9th man on the court at the same time all season and we play 6.5-7 man rotations all year. It is not how you win games. The HC is the ONLY concern because he's a fool.

Your post makes ZERO sense.

I'm not disagreeing with you about the Thibs minutes thing, but I dont think having part of our bench out for a few games is even a below average outcome in terms of injury luck, that's all. If they were all healthy and OG or Towns missed games, would the same argument apply? **** happens. **** doesn't not happen.

You clearly miss the point here though, HALF of our bench has been out all season so far. At the same time the other half both missed a combined 11 of 25 games. Meanwhile as a result, the stupid HC won't play anyone else until they return. So it is a domino effect that has cost us games. Which is why I am not so worried about the roster as I am the HC.

You make it seem like we didn't have one bench guy for a few games. That's not even close to accurate. We lost ALL of them at some point and two of them for the entire season so far. It matters. We were playing our 10th man and one or two of Payne/Deuce all year until the last two games. So we need to see how the team plays when they have better options than Sims and nothing else. We lost KAT for one game and he started SIMS and only played him for like 6 minutes that game.

More to the point of the thread. Our HC doesn't even try to make any adjustments to help compensate for these losses. He also is out of his element without the two guys we lost for the whole season so far. He simply cannot scheme to get the best out of the roster he has. He just keeps doing the same thing with wildly mixed results. Which is why you made this thread. We haven't caught a steady groove yet. That's more on him than the roster but, I give him a slight pass because in his mind, we don't have enough players to expand the rotation. We all know though that he doesn't give a shyt.

[Jonathan2347]

Coach is the problem. Doesn't make adjustments.

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