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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#41 » by Context » Tue Nov 12, 2024 2:33 pm

the only reason im even entertaining replacing thibs is because he's gone too far with this 6 man rotation. Especially, when just 5
months ago- Brunson, Hart and OG was taken out of the playoffs due to injury.

At this point it can no longer be debated- Thibs has to evolve- get out of his comfort zone and open up his rotation TODAY. If he cant do that -then he needs to be replaced. This has nothing to do with anything else. I agree that its very early and this is a new team.
However, most teams are playing 9/10 guys- we have no shot if we stick to playing 6 guys...Every single nba player can play like an all star on any given night- 6 guys are not enough...

As far as who would replace him- I wouldnt know- havent followed the coaching world much- ill leave that up you guys... 8-)

The Don needs to have a talk with Thibs...
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#42 » by sol537 » Tue Nov 12, 2024 4:14 pm

Thibs ain’t it folks… I appreciate what he’s done but it’s time for him to retire. From 6-man rotations, to KAT in continuous drop, to a lack of creativity on both ends… the game has passed him by. He’s bound to drive this “Ferrari” over the cliff if we’re not careful.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#43 » by NiceLikeChrist » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:04 pm

JXL wrote:It usually takes Tommy about 20 games or so to adjust his lineups and rotations if its not set at training camp (which it isn't: Mitch is still out and both Shamet and Precious are on the shelf; they were suppose to be in the rotation this season)

It's still early, relax, he and Brunson will have it down pact.

The issue is that it also takes him 20 games to adjust in the playoffs and we only get 4 losses before the series is over
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#44 » by Capn'O » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:11 pm

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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#45 » by Capn'O » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:16 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:Ima keep saying it but we gave Thibs an Anti Thibs roster. He's not the guy who's gonna adjust to his personnel. But he doesn't deserve all of the blame either imo. Still don't really like KAT long term at the 5 and Mikal just hasn't played defense in years. It's a tough situation all around in my eyes and I don't know how this is gonna be fixed.


We did. It seems incongruous that we knew we were going after KAT and extended Thibs. Hoping that when we get our other bigs back we can put out a mix that makes sense. We're actually the 2nd rated offense in the league right now. 23rd in defense.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#46 » by JayTWill » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:47 pm

Would firing Thibs mean firing Rick Brunson too? If he Thibs is let go in the off-season would the next coach be required to keep Rick on the staff? How would that look either way?
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#47 » by FrozenEnvelope » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:58 pm

People are saying this isn't a Thibs roster because of KAT and his lack of rim protection. But it does look like an ideal Thibs roster everywhere else. Especially with OG and Bridges on the wings and Brunson at PG. Hart is also the prototypical Thibs player.

Maybe it will be proven KAT isn't ideal for Thibs but you can't say that definitively 8 games into the season. Not with Thibs resume and history. Plus we'll get back Mitch and Precious at some point which will help.

But isn't the idea to get a KAT led front court to become at least average defensively? And who else is out there that's going to help move it in that direction? Like him or not, Thibs is one of the elite minds defensively in the league and there is no body out there better to get KAT right defensively.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#48 » by FrozenEnvelope » Tue Nov 12, 2024 5:58 pm

JayTWill wrote:Would firing Thibs mean firing Rick Brunson too? If he Thibs is let go in the off-season would the next coach be required to keep Rick on the staff? How would that look either way?


Do you want Brunson asking to be traded?
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#49 » by NoLayupRule » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:07 pm

This is so silly

Thibs has the respect and full effort of this team
His staff has consistently taken draft picks to well beyond their expected level, developed players into much superior versions of themselves (Donte, I-hart, duce, precious, hart, even Brunson).

His roster isn’t his making.
This team may need another trade cycle or two to get where it needs.

Come next season we won’t be under the restrictions we are now.

This team suffers from lack of quality depth.
Thibs trys to win every game.
That apparently means playing our starters way too much

With Payne, precious and even shamet we will see less mins for the starters
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#50 » by FrozenEnvelope » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:11 pm

These dumb threads are so predictable. It's like you save them and are so happy and quick to post them as soon as a losing streak hits. And it's always the same people every damn season.

Thibs isn't the problem. He isn't perfect (NOBODY IS!) but the positives far outweigh the negatives. He's earned some patience and trust but some of y'all are so quick to blame and bitch. Last week it was Brunson and now this week it's Thibs. I'm honestly surprised the minutes police hasn't blamed him for all the injuries around the league. BTW, these injuries further prove the amount of minutes has nothing to very little to do with a player getting hurt. Alvarado just went out and he was averaging just 26 mpg (30 in November).

And I betcha KAT is next. Next week or two the same crybabies are going to want him traded. Or maybe they'll want OG gone. Lame!

Posters who blame the HC will never be happy with any HC. That's just fact.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#51 » by Context » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:17 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:This is so silly

Thibs has the respect and full effort of this team
His staff has consistently taken draft picks to well beyond their expected level, developed players into much superior versions of themselves (Donte, I-hart, duce, precious, hart, even Brunson).

His roster isn’t his making.
This team may need another trade cycle or two to get where it needs.

Come next season we won’t be under the restrictions we are now.

This team suffers from lack of quality depth.
Thibs trys to win every game.
That apparently means playing our starters way too much

With Payne, precious and even shamet we will see less mins for the starters

so that means he's not responsible for just playing 6 players when we have 73 games to go?
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#52 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:22 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Ima keep saying it but we gave Thibs an Anti Thibs roster. He's not the guy who's gonna adjust to his personnel. But he doesn't deserve all of the blame either imo. Still don't really like KAT long term at the 5 and Mikal just hasn't played defense in years. It's a tough situation all around in my eyes and I don't know how this is gonna be fixed.


We did. It seems incongruous that we knew we were going after KAT and extended Thibs. Hoping that when we get our other bigs back we can put out a mix that makes sense. We're actually the 2nd rated offense in the league right now. 23rd in defense.

Yeah I was very confused we went after KAT with Thibs still here. From what I was reading , Rosas was pushing for KAT more than everyone. Even more than Leon who’s very in tune with Thibs. It’s confusing.

We have to hope Precious/Mitch can help strengthen our defense because I’m not sure what else we can do. Our offense seems pretty solid. KAT has been dominant and Brunson is still a beast. It’s just Mikal who lost his 3 point shot.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#53 » by Context » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:23 pm

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Defense takes a TON of energy. The main reason our defense is bad right now is because of this 6 man rotation.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#54 » by Capn'O » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:26 pm

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3toheadmelo wrote:Ima keep saying it but we gave Thibs an Anti Thibs roster. He's not the guy who's gonna adjust to his personnel. But he doesn't deserve all of the blame either imo. Still don't really like KAT long term at the 5 and Mikal just hasn't played defense in years. It's a tough situation all around in my eyes and I don't know how this is gonna be fixed.


We did. It seems incongruous that we knew we were going after KAT and extended Thibs. Hoping that when we get our other bigs back we can put out a mix that makes sense. We're actually the 2nd rated offense in the league right now. 23rd in defense.

Yeah I was very confused we went after KAT with Thibs still here. From what I was reading , Rosas was pushing for KAT more than everyone. Even more than Leon who’s very in tune with Thibs. It’s confusing.

We have to hope Precious/Mitch can help strengthen our defense because I’m not sure what else we can do. Our offense seems pretty solid. KAT has been dominant and Brunson is still a beast. It’s just Mikal who lost his 3 point shot.


Right, but even if Mikal was smoking it we still can't guard anyone. Pacers in drop coverage. Aye aye aye.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#55 » by 3toheadmelo » Tue Nov 12, 2024 6:39 pm

Capn'O wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
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We did. It seems incongruous that we knew we were going after KAT and extended Thibs. Hoping that when we get our other bigs back we can put out a mix that makes sense. We're actually the 2nd rated offense in the league right now. 23rd in defense.

Yeah I was very confused we went after KAT with Thibs still here. From what I was reading , Rosas was pushing for KAT more than everyone. Even more than Leon who’s very in tune with Thibs. It’s confusing.

We have to hope Precious/Mitch can help strengthen our defense because I’m not sure what else we can do. Our offense seems pretty solid. KAT has been dominant and Brunson is still a beast. It’s just Mikal who lost his 3 point shot.


Right, but even if Mikal was smoking it we still can't guard anyone. Pacers in drop coverage. Aye aye aye.

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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#56 » by JayTWill » Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:02 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:This is so silly

Thibs has the respect and full effort of this team
His staff has consistently taken draft picks to well beyond their expected level, developed players into much superior versions of themselves (Donte, I-hart, duce, precious, hart, even Brunson).

His roster isn’t his making.
This team may need another trade cycle or two to get where it needs.

Come next season we won’t be under the restrictions we are now.

This team suffers from lack of quality depth.
Thibs trys to win every game.
That apparently means playing our starters way too much

With Payne, precious and even shamet we will see less mins for the starters


I have never really agreed with this narrative around Thibs about his developmental skills. I feel like he is given a little too much credit from some for players being who they have previously been or exceeding lower expectations that fans have had for some players.

Donte was a great college player that was trending upward in the league until he got injured and had a down year. He had a great season in Golden State and continued it in New York on a larger scale. I don't think there was anything unique to Thibs and his staff that made Donte play the way he played last year other than possibly the freedom to jack up shots and play a lot of minutes.

iHart showed the same capabilities he had in New York prior to his arrival here and he actually said he had more to offer than he showed here when he left. The scouting report on Deuce coming out of college was that he was a defensive minded guard with an improved jump shot and questionable point guard skills. He may have struggled for a bit his first few years but he has become exactly that.

Precious is Precious. I'm not as high on him as others. He looks like the same guy I saw in Toronto just taking less threes. Hart has been Hart for years. Brunson is Brunson on a larger stage with a larger opportunity imo.

I see a coach that can push his guys to compete hard for as long as possible but i'm sure I see much outlier development. I don't see non-defenders becoming defenders. I don't see non-shooters becoming shooters. I'm not seeing poor ball handlers becoming great ball handlers. I actually feel like the way he may raise the floor and lower the ceiling for his teams is the same thing he does for players.

What unexpected developments have you seen from many of his players that you would attribute to him and his staff?
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#57 » by DOT » Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:09 pm

iHart's last year before here he averaged 8.3/4.9/2.4 on .626 from the field

His last year with us was 7.8/8.3/2.5 on .644 from the field

If you use per36, his last before here was 16.7/9.8/4.7, with us 11.1/11.9/3.6

So he rebounded more but scored and assisted less. Yeah, Thibs really revolutionized his game lol.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#58 » by JayTWill » Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:10 pm

FrozenEnvelope wrote:
JayTWill wrote:Would firing Thibs mean firing Rick Brunson too? If he Thibs is let go in the off-season would the next coach be required to keep Rick on the staff? How would that look either way?


Do you want Brunson asking to be traded?


No, I don't want Brunson to ask to be traded but if there was a new coach shouldn't they be able to choose his own staff? If I am a new coach trying to establish a new system or a new culture do I really want the star player's father influencing the decisions i'm trying to make? How would Jalen react if Rick is let go too?

It is just an aspect of removing Thibs that I had never thought of before.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#59 » by Iron Mantis » Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:17 pm

So now the KAT trade was Leon pulling the rug from under Thibs....and now it's not his type of team, so he can't effectively coach it?

Wow


We're really acting like Thibs didn't ok the KAT trade? :o

I'm all for defending the coach, but acting as if suddenly Thibs has no input on trades is a wild narrative.
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Re: Who do you think should be the next Head Coach? 

Post#60 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Tue Nov 12, 2024 7:21 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:...

Come next season we won’t be under the restrictions we are now.

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Interesting to know. :o

Next off season the Knicks will have 7 players under contract who aren't rookies this year. (KAT, OG, Bridges, Brunson, Mitch, Hart and Deuce.) Maybe they can squeeze under the first apron (decline Hukporti's team option per Spotrac). Then they can trade some of those 7 for 125% of their salary and ... depth? ... Giannis? ... ?

I looks to me as though the Knicks will require more heroic work from Brock Aller next year.

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