PG: Knicks vs Jazz

[NoDopeOnSundays]

**** this team

You frustrated? It should be pretty-much accepted that the team will be up-and-down without consistency until Precious and Mitch are back.

You can’t win consistently when you’re relying on outscoring opponents. One off shooting night will equate to a loss if you’re not an above average team defensively.

A Thibs coached team is like a fish out of water without an elite rim protector.

We've had a top 5 defense 1 time in his 5 years, we've been 3, 10, 19, 11 and 20 (now). Last season Mitch had a 118.7 DRTG when he was on the court, we were horrible defensively against teams that could shoot which is why the Pacers gave us so much trouble all throughout the season.


Today's game wasn't rim protection, it was giving up the most threes the Jazz have hit since 2022. A shocking number of them were on 1 pass off a screen because of how we defend screens. That keeps happening to us because Tom refuses to switch, it's why random bigs the last couple years would have career games against us from three. Tonight we were asking a 6'4" and 6'7" guys to go over a screen and then try and close out on a 7 footer who is one of the best catch and shoot 3 point shooters in the league. You have to switch against that, you live with them hitting Kessler on the roll and him making plays, or letting them get shots at the rim and trying to force them into long 2s

Our coach has the team selling out the 3 to protect the paint. We have a similar roster makeup as the Rockets, yet they are good defensively because they switch and they also put their center on the worst shooter when they can. At the most fundamental level we guard every team the same regardless of what they do well.

[spree8]

I’m starting to hate Thibs. No reason we’re not playing the rookies big minutes. None. They can ball. Our efficiency was ass because the starters are sluggish. I can only imagine how they’re gunna look come playoff time

[jvsimonetti0514]

I hate Mikal. He’s my new punching bag this season

[JayTWill]

I asked this before but if KAT is eventually going to be playing minutes next to Mitch at the 5 like many think why aren't we seeing KAT at the 4 now? Wouldn't a game where the opposing team gave 33-35 minutes to Lauri, Collins and Kessler as their starting 3,4 and 5 be a good opportunity to try it instead of playing Sims single digit minutes and Hart another 41+ minutes while being a massively undersized 4 at times?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I asked this before but if KAT is eventually going to be playing minutes next to Mitch at the 5 like many think why aren't we seeing KAT at the 4 now? Wouldn't a game where the opposing team gave 33-35 minutes to Lauri, Collins and Kessler as their starting 3,4 and 5 be a good opportunity to try it instead of playing Sims single digit minutes and Hart another 41+ minutes while being a massively undersized 4 at times?

I think we'll see Precious next to him, mainly because he played Ihart and Precious together and he'll come back first.

[GettinitDone]

This team just isn’t built to be able to win when the starters don’t defend and 3 out of the 5 have a terrible shooting game (Brunson, Towns, and Bridges).

Also, we cut an 18 pt lead down to 2, then Brunson and Bridges started jacking up some terrible shots and allowed the lead to balloon again.

Last year with Mitch or IHart on the floor Post OG this teams defense was consistently dominant. And neither Randle or Divo were necessarily key pieces of that dominance.

Unless we fire Thibs, its looking more and more like we need that elite rim protector back badly .

Agreed, I rewatched some playoffs and iHart's activity on both ends were just off the charts, when you have TWO of those players (the other was Divo) who constantly moved without the ball all the time and active defensively, it's near impossible as a teammate to just stand there and not move too... as brilliant as KAT has been offensively for us, I wish we could have kept iHart, and with iHart here, I don't think we made the KAT trade...

I'm not a fan of Julius' isos, but in last 2 years he's made quicker decisions with his isos, and moved the ball more, and I think he gave us physicality offensively that was the opposite contrast to JB's finesse game... you stop 1 you must deal with the other like a powerful combination of yin and yang.... imo they worked quite well together last year until Julius hurt himself.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I hate Mikal. He’s my new punching bag this season

He's been such a massive disappointment; I really can't even put into words how bad he's been now. Just two quick things to illustrate how bad he is, he's shooting 28% from three his last 10 games, and he hasn't taken a **** freethrow in 5 games, 11 goddamn freethrows on the season.

[mpharris36]

historically we have never played well in Utah...never been an easy place for us to play.

[mpharris36]

I hate Mikal. He’s my new punching bag this season

He's been such a massive disappointment; I really can't even put into words how bad he's been now. Just two quick things to illustrate how bad he is, he's shooting 28% from three his last 10 games, and he hasn't taken a **** freethrow in 5 games, 11 goddamn freethrows on the season.

whats the issue with the FT"s....even on fast break opps he is shying away from contact.

[stuporman]

WITFH happened...I just got home looked at the box and can't believe the Knicks crapped one out like that. Actually, I don't even want to know but jeeze...

[Jalen Bluntson]

You frustrated? It should be pretty-much accepted that the team will be up-and-down without consistency until Precious and Mitch are back.

You can’t win consistently when you’re relying on outscoring opponents. One off shooting night will equate to a loss if you’re not an above average team defensively.

A Thibs coached team is like a fish out of water without an elite rim protector.

We've had a top 5 defense 1 time in his 5 years, we've been 3, 10, 19, 11 and 20 (now). Last season Mitch had a 118.7 DRTG when he was on the court, we were horrible defensively against teams that could shoot which is why the Pacers gave us so much trouble all throughout the season.


Today's game wasn't rim protection, it was giving up the most threes the Jazz have hit since 2022. A shocking number of them were on 1 pass off a screen because of how we defend screens. That keeps happening to us because Tom refuses to switch, it's why random bigs the last couple years would have career games against us from three. Tonight we were asking a 6'4" and 6'7" guys to go over a screen and then try and close out on a 7 footer who is one of the best catch and shoot 3 point shooters in the league. You have to switch against that, you live with them hitting Kessler on the roll and him making plays, or letting them get shots at the rim and trying to force them into long 2s

Our coach has the team selling out the 3 to protect the paint. We have a similar roster makeup as the Rockets, yet they are good defensively because they switch and they also put their center on the worst shooter when they can. At the most fundamental level we guard every team the same regardless of what they do well.

He is so stubborn and set in his way is the only way. No adjustments. No patience with his bench. No creativity on offense. Rim protection is more important than defending the perimeter. In an era where spamming three balls is the primary design of every offense in the league. But, hey...you know. He made the playoffs three of the last four years yada yada yada.

That said, we are down three of our defensive players. One being the rim protector he needs to apparently make his "system" work. Precious/Deuce are huge losses to start the season. We knew the human walking boot was gonna be out. I expect better defense and less falling apart on both ends when they return. We will definitely see deeper rotations because Thibs has no desire to play the rest of his bench. We have seen it several times this season alone. He will never change.

[spree8]

Really having a hard time understanding how Thibs doesn’t see that running starters 40 mpg and having them get beat up fighting thru 1000 screens per game instead of switching, leads to poor defense and offense.

Does he actually learn anything when watching film all night or is he just getting drunk and throwing his glass at the wall when rewatching rookies make tiny mistakes? Like wtf

[mpharris36]

Really having a hard time understanding how Thibs doesn’t see that running starters 40 mpg and having them get beat up fighting thru 1000 screens per game instead of switching, leads to poor defense and offense.

Does he actually learn anything when watching film all night or is he just getting drunk and throwing his glass at the wall when rewatching rookies make tiny mistakes? Like wtf

also not making excuse for Mikal but he's the only one on the team that plays 15 straight minutes from start of game and start of 2nd half.

maybe rest him like a normal player.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I hate Mikal. He’s my new punching bag this season

He's been such a massive disappointment; I really can't even put into words how bad he's been now. Just two quick things to illustrate how bad he is, he's shooting 28% from three his last 10 games, and he hasn't taken a **** freethrow in 5 games, 11 goddamn freethrows on the season.

whats the issue with the FT"s....even on fast break opps he is shying away from contact.

Usually guys that shy away from contact know they can't make freethrows. The fact he doesn't get to the line anymore is terrifying, it shows just how little he actually trusts his shot and how much more aggressive he needs to be. We basically got a slightly better Reggie Bullock back, except it took 5 picks.

[mpharris36]

He's been such a massive disappointment; I really can't even put into words how bad he's been now. Just two quick things to illustrate how bad he is, he's shooting 28% from three his last 10 games, and he hasn't taken a **** freethrow in 5 games, 11 goddamn freethrows on the season.

whats the issue with the FT"s....even on fast break opps he is shying away from contact.

Usually guys that shy away from contact know they can't make freethrows. The fact he doesn't get to the line anymore is terrifying, it shows just how little he actually trusts his shot and how much more aggressive he needs to be. We basically got a slightly better Reggie Bullock back, except it took 5 picks.

ehh i can't believe that...he loves getting to his middy and shoots it with crazy good EFF. Can't imagine him no wanting to shoot FT's.

The wing 3's are always short...he doesn't have the range the accuracy is still there.

[knicks94]

5 first round picks for a defensive specialist that doesn't play defense.

[DaGawd]

Really having a hard time understanding how Thibs doesn’t see that running starters 40 mpg and having them get beat up fighting thru 1000 screens per game instead of switching, leads to poor defense and offense.

Does he actually learn anything when watching film all night or is he just getting drunk and throwing his glass at the wall when rewatching rookies make tiny mistakes? Like wtf

also not making excuse for Mikal but he's the only one on the team that plays 15 straight minutes from start of game and start of 2nd half.

maybe rest him like a normal player.

thibs taking his iron man status as a personal challenge

[jvsimonetti0514]

I hate Mikal. He’s my new punching bag this season

He's been such a massive disappointment; I really can't even put into words how bad he's been now. Just two quick things to illustrate how bad he is, he's shooting 28% from three his last 10 games, and he hasn't taken a **** freethrow in 5 games, 11 goddamn freethrows on the season.

He had a drive tonight that he tried to finish with his left hand on the right side of the hoop for some reason. Guess he’s really scared of drawing contact? It felt like he was turning the corner but this was his worst game as Knick. we traded for him cuz of defense and shooting and he’s been terrible at both. He’s been the biggest issue this season and if he can’t get right it might derail the whole season.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

whats the issue with the FT"s....even on fast break opps he is shying away from contact.

Usually guys that shy away from contact know they can't make freethrows. The fact he doesn't get to the line anymore is terrifying, it shows just how little he actually trusts his shot and how much more aggressive he needs to be. We basically got a slightly better Reggie Bullock back, except it took 5 picks.

ehh i can't believe that...he loves getting to his middy and shoots it with crazy good EFF. Can't imagine him no wanting to shoot FT's.

The wing 3's are always short...he doesn't have the range the accuracy is still there.

He's averaging 0.7 freethrows per game, down from 3.9 last year and 6.6 with the Nets in 2023. When it comes to his shooting I don't trust anything, he has a different form for 3 different shots, he's going to have to prove he can make freethrows before I give him the benefit of the doubt. All faith I had in him as a shooter is gone, the form is horrible and I'm just waiting for the bottom to fall out on his middie next too.

[mpharris36]

Usually guys that shy away from contact know they can't make freethrows. The fact he doesn't get to the line anymore is terrifying, it shows just how little he actually trusts his shot and how much more aggressive he needs to be. We basically got a slightly better Reggie Bullock back, except it took 5 picks.

ehh i can't believe that...he loves getting to his middy and shoots it with crazy good EFF. Can't imagine him no wanting to shoot FT's.

The wing 3's are always short...he doesn't have the range the accuracy is still there.

He's averaging 0.7 freethrows per game, down from 3.9 last year and 6.6 with the Nets in 2023. When it comes to his shooting I don't trust anything, he has a different form for 3 different shots, he's going to have to prove he can make freethrows before I give him the benefit of the doubt. All faith I had in him as a shooter is gone, the form is horrible and I'm just waiting for the bottom to fall out on his middie next too.

I think your bein a little rough on him...prior to this game he had 6 straight games of 50% or better from the floor.

he had a bad game so did brunson and KAT. We had guys that were -30 +/- tonight.