OT: NFL 24-25 Thread Cont'd

[GONYK]

I could be wrong, but I think it is fairly obvious that Schoen and Daboll will be back next year.

If they are, then I think it shows that Mara had some degree of influence/pressure around them keeping Jones and will give them the opportunity to build around a QB and QB contract of their choosing.

we will see how the rest of the season goes

2-15 is a really tough selling point to the fan base though...

Schoen yeah, but Daboll? There's no way we can bring him back after this. And I actually like Daboll.

I would not trust Schoen based on how bad his first two draft classes are.

Daboll is in on the tank, IMO. He doesn't start calling real plays until we're down 2 scores. I don't think it's a coincidence that our second halves are better than the first the last few games. Not to mention all the "injuries".

We do just enough to lose by one score so the claim can be that the team is still giving effort.

[TerrenceClarke]

I could be wrong, but I think it is fairly obvious that Schoen and Daboll will be back next year.

If they are, then I think it shows that Mara had some degree of influence/pressure around them keeping Jones and will give them the opportunity to build around a QB and QB contract of their choosing.

There cannot be anything remotely fairly obvious. If that was the obvious case you wouldn’t say you could be wrong. You trying to give your self an out. Just stand on it that they will be back if it’s “ fairly obvious”

Is there a chance that they make it? Sure…. Mathematically that exists….But saying they chance is fairly obvious would put them at like 98% Guaranteed to return. And nobody can speak with those type of odds. Especially with Daboll.

All you have is a “gut feeling” my dude…

But saying the tea leafs are fairly obvious?





This pro sports here. Schit changes faster than a NY minute.


I take anything Mara said like 6 weeks ago with a grain of salt. The giants have become even more of a disasters from that statement he made.

The only way to calm this fan base that’s ready to revolt…. Is to fire them.

Cause keeping them damn sure won’t quell anything. Schoen has built a terrible roster. We can’t act like the only thing we was missing was a QB. That’s why I said that as much as I dissed DJ. I hate that he has been used as the escape goat as why we sucked.

I can see schoen slipping through the cracks ….but both of them ? Nah….

[Deeeez Knicks]

we will see how the rest of the season goes

2-15 is a really tough selling point to the fan base though...

Schoen yeah, but Daboll? There's no way we can bring him back after this. And I actually like Daboll.

I would not trust Schoen based on how bad his first two draft classes are.

Daboll is in on the tank, IMO. He doesn't start calling real plays until we're down 2 scores. I don't think it's a coincidence that our second halves are better than the first the last few games. Not to mention all the "injuries".

We do just enough to lose by one score so the claim can be that the team is still giving effort.

Daboll was awful all season, and for the past few years. Can’t see anyway he’s back. Both Schoen and Daboll should be fired for this mess. Schoen may get spared though

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[GONYK]

I could be wrong, but I think it is fairly obvious that Schoen and Daboll will be back next year.

If they are, then I think it shows that Mara had some degree of influence/pressure around them keeping Jones and will give them the opportunity to build around a QB and QB contract of their choosing.

There cannot be anything remotely fairly obvious. If that was the obvious case you wouldn’t say you could be wrong. You trying to give your self an out. Just stand on it that they will be back if it’s “ fairly obvious”

Is there a chance that they make it? Sure…. Mathematically that exists….But saying they chance is fairly obvious would put them at like 98% Guaranteed to return. And nobody can speak with those type of odds. Especially with Daboll.

All you have is a “gut feeling” my dude…

But saying the tea leafs are fairly obvious?





This pro sports here. Schit changes faster than a NY minute.


I take anything Mara said like 6 weeks ago with a grain of salt. The giants have become even more of a disasters from that statement he made.

The only way to calm this fan base that’s ready to revolt…. Is to fire them.

Cause keeping them damn sure won’t quell anything. Schoen has built a terrible roster. We can’t act like the only thing we was missing was a QB. That’s why I said that as much as I dissed DJ. I hate that he has been used as the escape goat as why we sucked.

I can see schoen slipping through the cracks ….but both of them ? Nah….

I mean, anything can happen in 3-4 weeks, but if I was betting right now, I'd say they are coming back.

I agree that Schoen is safer than Daboll, but I think they are a package deal. Stay or go, it will probably happen together.

The reason I'm saying that is because I'm just watching this team pretty openly tank. If their necks were under the guillotine, I don't think it would be going that way. That plus making bi-weekly pilgrimages to CU to smooth things over with Sanders.

DJ wasn't the only reason this team isn't good, but if Mara put pressure on them to keep DJ, they could make the case to him and I think he's more open to giving them a chance than starting all over.

Time will tell.

[GONYK]

Schoen yeah, but Daboll? There's no way we can bring him back after this. And I actually like Daboll.

I would not trust Schoen based on how bad his first two draft classes are.

Daboll is in on the tank, IMO. He doesn't start calling real plays until we're down 2 scores. I don't think it's a coincidence that our second halves are better than the first the last few games. Not to mention all the "injuries".

We do just enough to lose by one score so the claim can be that the team is still giving effort.

Daboll was awful all season, and for the past few years. Can’t see anyway he’s back. Both Schoen and Daboll should be fired for this mess. Schoen may get spared though

Here is what he'll put in front of Mara

Year 1: COTY and playoff appearance
Year 2: Lost his #1 and #2 QBs and won games with Devito
Year 3: A mess, but the guys kept fighting

I'm not saying this is what I want, BTW. I'm saying what I think Mara will do.

The dude would have brought Joe Judge back if he didn't vomit on himself in the last presser of the season.

[Luv those Knicks]

Daboll is in on the tank, IMO. He doesn't start calling real plays until we're down 2 scores. I don't think it's a coincidence that our second halves are better than the first the last few games. Not to mention all the "injuries".

We do just enough to lose by one score so the claim can be that the team is still giving effort.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I hate that.

I'm more of a Jets fan, but I like the Giants too. It's not baseball where I hate the Yankees or Basketball where I hate the Nets. I have a soft spot for both NY football teams and I want the Giants to get the #1 pick.

That said - tanking sucks. Football needs to add a lottery. Losing on purpose to get the #1 pick is wrong on so many levels.

[MrDollarBills]

I honestly want to see what Daboll can do with a QB that isn't garbage but he hasn't done enough in other areas to warrant retaining him.

I don't trust Schoen with another high draft pick.

Time to move on early so that a new GM can be installed before the coaching scramble begins following Black Monday.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Daboll is in on the tank, IMO. He doesn't start calling real plays until we're down 2 scores. I don't think it's a coincidence that our second halves are better than the first the last few games. Not to mention all the "injuries".

We do just enough to lose by one score so the claim can be that the team is still giving effort.

Daboll was awful all season, and for the past few years. Can’t see anyway he’s back. Both Schoen and Daboll should be fired for this mess. Schoen may get spared though

Here is what he'll put in front of Mara

Year 1: COTY and playoff appearance
Year 2: Lost his #1 and #2 QBs and won games with Devito
Year 3: A mess, but the guys kept fighting

I'm not saying this is what I want, BTW. I'm saying what I think Mara will do.

The dude would have brought Joe Judge back if he didn't vomit on himself in the last presser of the season.

The record speaks for itself and the team is historically bad. We are witnessing one of the worst offensive teams in modern NFL history. Plenty of teams get by and look better with their backup QB. I mean, even when we had our starter the team still looked awful.

In terms of fight, I barely see that. There have been plenty of times where the team looked like it had given up. I just dont see how nobody gets held accountable for the mess we have seen over the past few years. Its been so bad. They really dont deserve another chance.

[GONYK]

Daboll was awful all season, and for the past few years. Can’t see anyway he’s back. Both Schoen and Daboll should be fired for this mess. Schoen may get spared though

Here is what he'll put in front of Mara

Year 1: COTY and playoff appearance
Year 2: Lost his #1 and #2 QBs and won games with Devito
Year 3: A mess, but the guys kept fighting

I'm not saying this is what I want, BTW. I'm saying what I think Mara will do.

The dude would have brought Joe Judge back if he didn't vomit on himself in the last presser of the season.

The record speaks for itself and the team is historically bad. We are witnessing one of the worst offensive teams in modern NFL history. Plenty of teams get by and look better with their backup QB. I mean, even when we had our starter the team still looked awful.

In terms of fight, I barely see that. There have been plenty of times where the team looked like it had given up. I just dont see how nobody gets held accountable for the mess we have seen over the past few years. Its been so bad. They really dont deserve another chance.

Do you think management wants the Giants to win games right now?

[Deeeez Knicks]

Here is what he'll put in front of Mara

Year 1: COTY and playoff appearance
Year 2: Lost his #1 and #2 QBs and won games with Devito
Year 3: A mess, but the guys kept fighting

I'm not saying this is what I want, BTW. I'm saying what I think Mara will do.

The dude would have brought Joe Judge back if he didn't vomit on himself in the last presser of the season.

The record speaks for itself and the team is historically bad. We are witnessing one of the worst offensive teams in modern NFL history. Plenty of teams get by and look better with their backup QB. I mean, even when we had our starter the team still looked awful.

In terms of fight, I barely see that. There have been plenty of times where the team looked like it had given up. I just dont see how nobody gets held accountable for the mess we have seen over the past few years. Its been so bad. They really dont deserve another chance.

Do you think management wants the Giants to win games right now?

Not now, but in the beginning of the season they were trying to win. They assembled a roster and coached there way to a team that is so bad and hopeless that our best chance is to tank.

[GONYK]

The record speaks for itself and the team is historically bad. We are witnessing one of the worst offensive teams in modern NFL history. Plenty of teams get by and look better with their backup QB. I mean, even when we had our starter the team still looked awful.

In terms of fight, I barely see that. There have been plenty of times where the team looked like it had given up. I just dont see how nobody gets held accountable for the mess we have seen over the past few years. Its been so bad. They really dont deserve another chance.

Do you think management wants the Giants to win games right now?

Not now, but in the beginning of the season they were trying to win. They assembled a roster and coached there way to a team that is so bad and hopeless that our best chance is to tank.

Yea, but Mara already publically forgave them for that start, so I'm judging basically from the post-Jones time.

Things can change, of course, but they aren't operating like people who are worried. I'd think they get in bigger trouble if they win games at this point.

[mpharris36]

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fascinating listen pacman jones show...says Caw Ward is a lock to come to the Giants and they are going to bring his OC with him.

Says Deion isn't letting his kid play in NY and he wants the Raiders.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I feel like GO is right cuz it’s obviously the worst move the franchise could do. Which says to me that that’s Mara’s plan. It’s just gonna be funny when we end up with the same situation this front office had. Brought in with a QB they didn’t draft. Hope someone with Mara’s ear tells him this and gives him a chance to stop this endless cycle of dumbness.

[MrDollarBills]

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fascinating listen pacman jones show...says Caw Ward is a lock to come to the Giants and they are going to bring his OC with him.

Says Deion isn't letting his kid play in NY and he wants the Raiders.

Shannon Sharpe has been saying this for months about Shedeur. He has no reason to lie and he's close with Prime. Deion doesn't want him in this market.

Whatever happened back in the day to sour him on this area, I would love to know. Damn.

I'm good with Cam Ward.

[F N 11]

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fascinating listen pacman jones show...says Caw Ward is a lock to come to the Giants and they are going to bring his OC with him.

Says Deion isn't letting his kid play in NY and he wants the Raiders.

Shannon Sharpe has been saying this for months about Shedeur. He has no reason to lie and he's close with Prime. Deion doesn't want him in this market.

Whatever happened back in the day to sour him on this area, I would love to know. Damn.

I'm good with Cam Ward.

I like Prime but he need to relax on controlling stuff. Want his kids next to him on the west coast. This being said. Cam Ward it is.

[DaGawd]

i’ll gladly accept can ward as the qb consolation prize

[Ghetto Gospel]

i have no problem with cam ward

[GONYK]

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fascinating listen pacman jones show...says Caw Ward is a lock to come to the Giants and they are going to bring his OC with him.

Says Deion isn't letting his kid play in NY and he wants the Raiders.

I think Ward is flawed but is overall probably the better prospect, though it's close. Shedur brings the all the mental markers to play in NY, but Ward is more toolsy.

[mpharris36]

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fascinating listen pacman jones show...says Caw Ward is a lock to come to the Giants and they are going to bring his OC with him.

Says Deion isn't letting his kid play in NY and he wants the Raiders.

I think Ward is flawed but is overall probably the better prospect, though it's close. Shedur brings the all the mental markers to play in NY, but Ward is more toolsy.

Shedeur might have the mental makeup to do it but this is not the first time I've heard Deion wants no part of him in NY. Obviously whoever is running the Giants certainly needs to vet that fully. Whoever is playing QB needs to be 100% bought into being the NY Giants QB and everything that comes with it.

I really like Wards makeup and his anticipatory throws. Both SS and Ward aren't perfect prospects. Such a big decision. But first things first gotta secure one of those top 2 picks.