We are #1

[Fury]

This is without Fournier, too

[FrozenEnvelope]

But I read from KnicksFix, Christ, KnicksGMen, FN11, Najeem, Nodope, guano and buzz that Thibs sucks,can't coach a modern day NBA offense, hates and can't develop young players and should be fired.

I would rather add 2 rookies, develop them, resign OG and run it back with this squad next season. **** LeBum and KD! Spida doesn't fit and KAT is too soft to play here.

Either Giannis, Booker or Mikal or run it back.

And what happens when we trade for KAT or DeRozan/LaVine and are still mid?

The audacity ‐ running around here calling everyone else out while posting like this.

I can admit when I'm wrong though! You trolls never admit when you're wrong and will never give Thibs any credit.

[HEZI]

Just so everyone can see...this was a simple 1 on 1 ISO with Brunson...but look at the defenders.

Our OFF is #1 because of the starting 5 and what Brunson can do and the attention Towns and our wings have in the ability to shoot the ball.

Not one help defender foot in the paint.

Well we could be just like most teams and push pace, run up and jack up 3s. But we play half court and take quality shots. Notice how against Orlando we attacked the switch every single time? Every player attacked when the switch was made and they didn’t hesitate. That wasn’t on accident, that was by design. Thibs instructed them to do that. He could just be telling them run up the floor and jack up 3s like most coaches on the league are doing following the Dantoni model.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The audacity ‐ running around here calling everyone else out while posting like this.

I can admit when I'm wrong though! You trolls never admit when you're wrong and will never give Thibs any credit.

And that's why we win.

"Let he who casts a bad take not bow in defeat, instead feign ignorance and completely ignore any accusations!!!!!!!!!!" - Greenie book of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mpharris36]

Just so everyone can see...this was a simple 1 on 1 ISO with Brunson...but look at the defenders.

Our OFF is #1 because of the starting 5 and what Brunson can do and the attention Towns and our wings have in the ability to shoot the ball.

Not one help defender foot in the paint.

Well we could be just like most teams and push pace, run up and jack up 3s. But we play half court and take quality shots. Notice how against Orlando we attacked the switch every single time? Every player attacked when the switch was made and they didn’t hesitate. That wasn’t on accident, that was by design. Thibs instructed them to do that. He could just be telling them run up the floor and jack up 3s like most coaches on the league are doing following the Dantoni model.

But that is also not our players strengths. Brunson and KAT can shoot but they have never been super high volume shooters. You can't leave them open but both operate in the midrange and in the paint very well also.

Also factor we really don't go deep into our bench so I don't think we could survive a high pace offense. Indy plays at such a high pace because they you don't see there guys going 40 mins.

Also what team doesn't attack the switch like that? Thats the only way to beat a team that switches is find the mismatch and exploit it. The key is to having the ISO type scoring to attack mismatches you get via switches.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Annnnnd!
We still have 61 games to go!
No Mitch- No Precious- Chemistry still under development- Defense with plenty of room to grow...
I've been enjoying ever oment of this ride and look forward to the next 20 games!

Yeah man. This FO has turned decades of garbage around in a few short years. We are a legit title contending team and the journey has been wild.

Elfrid/Frank/IQ/DSJ
RJ/Burks/Rivers
Bullock/Knox/Iggy
Randle/Obi/
Mitch/Noel/Taj/Pelle

They traded for Rose and we went on a playoff run. Then we mired through Kemba/Guano season of misery. Big changes the following year getting Jalen/Josh/Shart making two playoff runs into the second round and here we are today. Contender level squad.

Jalen/Deuce/Kolek
Mikal/Payne
Hart/Pac
OG/Precious/Ryan
KAT/Sims/Mitch/Huk
With this McCullar kid lurking in the shadows.

What a wild ride after all the misery and pain!

[Spree2Houston]

Watch on YouTube

[HEZI]

Just so everyone can see...this was a simple 1 on 1 ISO with Brunson...but look at the defenders.

Our OFF is #1 because of the starting 5 and what Brunson can do and the attention Towns and our wings have in the ability to shoot the ball.

Not one help defender foot in the paint.

Well we could be just like most teams and push pace, run up and jack up 3s. But we play half court and take quality shots. Notice how against Orlando we attacked the switch every single time? Every player attacked when the switch was made and they didn’t hesitate. That wasn’t on accident, that was by design. Thibs instructed them to do that. He could just be telling them run up the floor and jack up 3s like most coaches on the league are doing following the Dantoni model.

But that is also not our players strengths. Brunson and KAT can shoot but they have never been super high volume shooters. You can't leave them open but both operate in the midrange and in the paint very well also.

Also factor we really don't go deep into our bench so I don't think we could survive a high pace offense. Indy plays at such a high pace because they you don't see there guys going 40 mins.

Also what team doesn't attack the switch like that? Thats the only way to beat a team that switches is find the mismatch and exploit it. The key is to having the ISO type scoring to attack mismatches you get via switches.

You are pointing to a lot of coaching reasons. So if we play a bench with a bunch of rookies, we maintain the same offensive rating? The structured rotation is why we are good so far. We don’t have room for scrubs in the rotation.

Yes sure attack the switch, but different teams attack differently. We weren’t settling for step back 3s, we were aggressive in getting to the paint. Thibs loves attacking the paint and letting the 3s come from an inside out attack. Some coaches will look to go outside in and only attack if the lane is open. No our guys would put their head down and attack aggressively which was a clear sign that they were instructed to attack hard on the switch

[Guano]

The audacity ‐ running around here calling everyone else out while posting like this.

I can admit when I'm wrong though! You trolls never admit when you're wrong and will never give Thibs any credit.

And that's why we win.

"Let he who casts a bad take not bow in defeat, instead feign ignorance and completely ignore any accusations!!!!!!!!!!" - Greenie book of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I might not be right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But I'm never wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spree2Houston]

Just so everyone can see...this was a simple 1 on 1 ISO with Brunson...but look at the defenders.

Our OFF is #1 because of the starting 5 and what Brunson can do and the attention Towns and our wings have in the ability to shoot the ball.

Not one help defender foot in the paint.

Thibs going to let Mitch shoot 3s in January

Watch on YouTube

[mpharris36]

Well we could be just like most teams and push pace, run up and jack up 3s. But we play half court and take quality shots. Notice how against Orlando we attacked the switch every single time? Every player attacked when the switch was made and they didn’t hesitate. That wasn’t on accident, that was by design. Thibs instructed them to do that. He could just be telling them run up the floor and jack up 3s like most coaches on the league are doing following the Dantoni model.

But that is also not our players strengths. Brunson and KAT can shoot but they have never been super high volume shooters. You can't leave them open but both operate in the midrange and in the paint very well also.

Also factor we really don't go deep into our bench so I don't think we could survive a high pace offense. Indy plays at such a high pace because they you don't see there guys going 40 mins.

Also what team doesn't attack the switch like that? Thats the only way to beat a team that switches is find the mismatch and exploit it. The key is to having the ISO type scoring to attack mismatches you get via switches.

You are pointing to a lot of coaching reasons. So if we play a bench with a bunch of rookies, we maintain the same offensive rating? The structured rotation is why we are good so far. We don’t have room for scrubs in the rotation.

Yes sure attack the switch, but different teams attack differently. We weren’t settling for step back 3s, we were aggressive in getting to the paint. Thibs loves attacking the paint and letting the 3s come from an inside out attack. Some coaches will look to go outside in and only attack if the lane is open. No our guys would put their head down and attack aggressively which was a clear sign that they were instructed to attack hard on the switch

Probably not...my issue with starters playing so many minutes isn't that its best for that game...certainly OG or Hart out there is going to give us a better shot to win then Dadiet...that isn't even a question and that certainly has never been my opposition to it.

My ultimate issue is sure winning a game in Nov or Dec is nice but the starters/key players also need to make it through the entire season (we have bigger goals than just the regular season). We have had this chat before so we don't need to rehash our stances. A player can get injured at any point in the game but there is a reason typically guys play 30ish minutes and not 40ish minutes.

I'm sure DEN would never sit Jokic if they didn't have to they are like the best OFF when he's out there and the worst OFF when he sits. But he has to sit or you risk him eventually being ineffective or potential hurt because of an overloud in minutes. So its a balancing act for sure.

I just feel your giving the coaching way too much credit. If anything Thibs lets the offense just go with the way Brunson KAT and his best players see fit. I think its reported before that thibs kinda just lets the players dictate the offense.

Brunson doesn't play like Steph Curry....that isn't because Thibs is instructing Brunson to attack switches...that is how Brunson is as a player well before he played under thibs. Attack the paint...play off of two feet...great footwork in the midrange and paint. Those were all the selling points to Brunson in college and on Dallas when he started his breakout.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I can admit when I'm wrong though! You trolls never admit when you're wrong and will never give Thibs any credit.

And that's why we win.

"Let he who casts a bad take not bow in defeat, instead feign ignorance and completely ignore any accusations!!!!!!!!!!" - Greenie book of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I might not be right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


But I'm never wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Greenie has it all figured out.

[HEZI]

But that is also not our players strengths. Brunson and KAT can shoot but they have never been super high volume shooters. You can't leave them open but both operate in the midrange and in the paint very well also.

Also factor we really don't go deep into our bench so I don't think we could survive a high pace offense. Indy plays at such a high pace because they you don't see there guys going 40 mins.

Also what team doesn't attack the switch like that? Thats the only way to beat a team that switches is find the mismatch and exploit it. The key is to having the ISO type scoring to attack mismatches you get via switches.

You are pointing to a lot of coaching reasons. So if we play a bench with a bunch of rookies, we maintain the same offensive rating? The structured rotation is why we are good so far. We don’t have room for scrubs in the rotation.

Yes sure attack the switch, but different teams attack differently. We weren’t settling for step back 3s, we were aggressive in getting to the paint. Thibs loves attacking the paint and letting the 3s come from an inside out attack. Some coaches will look to go outside in and only attack if the lane is open. No our guys would put their head down and attack aggressively which was a clear sign that they were instructed to attack hard on the switch

Probably not...my issue with starters playing so many minutes isn't that its best for that game...certainly OG or Hart out there is going to give us a better shot to win then Dadiet...that isn't even a question and that certainly has never been my opposition to it.

My ultimate issue is sure winning a game in Nov or Dec is nice but the starters/key players also need to make it through the entire season (we have bigger goals than just the regular season). We have had this chat before so we don't need to rehash our stances. A player can get injured at any point in the game but there is a reason typically guys play 30ish minutes and not 40ish minutes.

I'm sure DEN would never sit Jokic if they didn't have to they are like the best OFF when he's out there and the worst OFF when he sits. But he has to sit or you risk him eventually being ineffective or potential hurt because of an overloud in minutes. So its a balancing act for sure.

I just feel your giving the coaching way too much credit. If anything Thibs lets the offense just go with the way Brunson KAT and his best players see fit. I think its reported before that thibs kinda just lets the players dictate the offense.

Brunson doesn't play like Steph Curry....that isn't because Thibs is instructing Brunson to attack switches...that is how Brunson is as a player well before he played under thibs. Attack the paint...play off of two feet...great footwork in the midrange and paint. Those were all the selling points to Brunson in college and on Dallas when he started his breakout.

Brunson was a 16 ppg scorer before Thibs. KAT was also handcuffed in Minnesota and scoring 20 before Thibs let him loose. Both are having career years with Thibs and scoring 25+

Just look at Divo and Randle in Minny and then look at them under Thibs. Look at our guys under Thibs. Not all coaches know how to get the best out of guys despite their talents.

[Capn'O]

“Thibs doesn’t know how to run an offense” apology sign up form. I will hereby respect Thibs and will NOT talk down on the future first ballot hall of fame coach

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Here let me see that form...

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[Jalen Bluntson]

You are pointing to a lot of coaching reasons. So if we play a bench with a bunch of rookies, we maintain the same offensive rating? The structured rotation is why we are good so far. We don’t have room for scrubs in the rotation.

Yes sure attack the switch, but different teams attack differently. We weren’t settling for step back 3s, we were aggressive in getting to the paint. Thibs loves attacking the paint and letting the 3s come from an inside out attack. Some coaches will look to go outside in and only attack if the lane is open. No our guys would put their head down and attack aggressively which was a clear sign that they were instructed to attack hard on the switch

Probably not...my issue with starters playing so many minutes isn't that its best for that game...certainly OG or Hart out there is going to give us a better shot to win then Dadiet...that isn't even a question and that certainly has never been my opposition to it.

My ultimate issue is sure winning a game in Nov or Dec is nice but the starters/key players also need to make it through the entire season (we have bigger goals than just the regular season). We have had this chat before so we don't need to rehash our stances. A player can get injured at any point in the game but there is a reason typically guys play 30ish minutes and not 40ish minutes.

I'm sure DEN would never sit Jokic if they didn't have to they are like the best OFF when he's out there and the worst OFF when he sits. But he has to sit or you risk him eventually being ineffective or potential hurt because of an overloud in minutes. So its a balancing act for sure.

I just feel your giving the coaching way too much credit. If anything Thibs lets the offense just go with the way Brunson KAT and his best players see fit. I think its reported before that thibs kinda just lets the players dictate the offense.

Brunson doesn't play like Steph Curry....that isn't because Thibs is instructing Brunson to attack switches...that is how Brunson is as a player well before he played under thibs. Attack the paint...play off of two feet...great footwork in the midrange and paint. Those were all the selling points to Brunson in college and on Dallas when he started his breakout.

Brunson was a 16 ppg scorer before Thibs. KAT was also handcuffed in Minnesota and scoring 20 before Thibs let him loose. Both are having career years with Thibs and scoring 25+

Just look at Divo and Randle in Minny and then look at them under Thibs. Look at our guys under Thibs. Not all coaches know how to get the best out of guys despite their talents.

Brunson was breaking out before he got here. That's disingenuous to suggest that he was a 16ppg level player before Thibs got a hold of him.
KAT was a 4x All Star before coming here.

Divo was not good for us until he started and got ample minutes to get his groove on. He sucked off the bench here and he is not thriving in that role in Minny.
Randle was a high usage inefficient scorer here. He's the same over there. He doesn't fit anywhere unless you build your offense around his skill set like we did. They are struggling to play .500 with him just like we did before we improved our roster. Nothing changed with him.

I am not even trying to say anything bad about Thibs here. He certainly gets the absolute most out of players...that fit HIS mold. Nothing wrong with that at all. Let's not forget what happened with Kemba/Guano while they were here either. Playing Elfrid over Rose was another great idea.

We have heard players say Thibs will coach up your defense but, he isn't teaching you offense. So, whatever anyone wants to think, his own players don't prop him up on the offensive side of the ball.

Doesn't matter. What matters is the here and now. We are a top team in the league and we have an abundance of talent for Thibs to work with. The future is now!

[mpharris36]

You are pointing to a lot of coaching reasons. So if we play a bench with a bunch of rookies, we maintain the same offensive rating? The structured rotation is why we are good so far. We don’t have room for scrubs in the rotation.

Yes sure attack the switch, but different teams attack differently. We weren’t settling for step back 3s, we were aggressive in getting to the paint. Thibs loves attacking the paint and letting the 3s come from an inside out attack. Some coaches will look to go outside in and only attack if the lane is open. No our guys would put their head down and attack aggressively which was a clear sign that they were instructed to attack hard on the switch

Probably not...my issue with starters playing so many minutes isn't that its best for that game...certainly OG or Hart out there is going to give us a better shot to win then Dadiet...that isn't even a question and that certainly has never been my opposition to it.

My ultimate issue is sure winning a game in Nov or Dec is nice but the starters/key players also need to make it through the entire season (we have bigger goals than just the regular season). We have had this chat before so we don't need to rehash our stances. A player can get injured at any point in the game but there is a reason typically guys play 30ish minutes and not 40ish minutes.

I'm sure DEN would never sit Jokic if they didn't have to they are like the best OFF when he's out there and the worst OFF when he sits. But he has to sit or you risk him eventually being ineffective or potential hurt because of an overloud in minutes. So its a balancing act for sure.

I just feel your giving the coaching way too much credit. If anything Thibs lets the offense just go with the way Brunson KAT and his best players see fit. I think its reported before that thibs kinda just lets the players dictate the offense.

Brunson doesn't play like Steph Curry....that isn't because Thibs is instructing Brunson to attack switches...that is how Brunson is as a player well before he played under thibs. Attack the paint...play off of two feet...great footwork in the midrange and paint. Those were all the selling points to Brunson in college and on Dallas when he started his breakout.

Brunson was a 16 ppg scorer before Thibs. KAT was also handcuffed in Minnesota and scoring 20 before Thibs let him loose. Both are having career years with Thibs and scoring 25+

Just look at Divo and Randle in Minny and then look at them under Thibs. Look at our guys under Thibs. Not all coaches know how to get the best out of guys despite their talents.

Come on now HEZI you are giving Brunson breakout scoring credit to Thibs and not just simply opportunity moving off being the backup behind Luka? When Luka was hurt in the playoffs the year before he came to the Knicks brunson avg 22 pts in 18 games. He was ready to break out with or without Thibs.

Randle is actually having a career best EFF season in Minny. He has slightly less PPG but on like 4 fewer shot attempts because he doesn't have the entire freedom that Thibs gave the offense. A lot of teams have more offensive structure while Thibs just simply allows his players to play and make the right reads.

No one is saying he's a bad coach. But to give him the most credit for us having a #1 rated offense he is far down the list.

Players league and then I give Leon and Co credit for giving THibs these horses. We would be the #1 offense with or without Thibs.

We wouldn't be the #1 offense if we swapped KAT back for Randle and DD. Point being...its the players and not the coach.

[8516knicks]

Never thought I would live to see this for a Knicks team.

And a Knick team coached by THIBS!!!! ??????????????????????????????

[8516knicks]

Never thought I would live to see this for a Knicks team.

And a Knick team coached by THIBS!!!! ??????????????????????????????

Are we sure it's not MINUTES PER STARTER?

[HEZI]

Probably not...my issue with starters playing so many minutes isn't that its best for that game...certainly OG or Hart out there is going to give us a better shot to win then Dadiet...that isn't even a question and that certainly has never been my opposition to it.

My ultimate issue is sure winning a game in Nov or Dec is nice but the starters/key players also need to make it through the entire season (we have bigger goals than just the regular season). We have had this chat before so we don't need to rehash our stances. A player can get injured at any point in the game but there is a reason typically guys play 30ish minutes and not 40ish minutes.

I'm sure DEN would never sit Jokic if they didn't have to they are like the best OFF when he's out there and the worst OFF when he sits. But he has to sit or you risk him eventually being ineffective or potential hurt because of an overloud in minutes. So its a balancing act for sure.

I just feel your giving the coaching way too much credit. If anything Thibs lets the offense just go with the way Brunson KAT and his best players see fit. I think its reported before that thibs kinda just lets the players dictate the offense.

Brunson doesn't play like Steph Curry....that isn't because Thibs is instructing Brunson to attack switches...that is how Brunson is as a player well before he played under thibs. Attack the paint...play off of two feet...great footwork in the midrange and paint. Those were all the selling points to Brunson in college and on Dallas when he started his breakout.

Brunson was a 16 ppg scorer before Thibs. KAT was also handcuffed in Minnesota and scoring 20 before Thibs let him loose. Both are having career years with Thibs and scoring 25+

Just look at Divo and Randle in Minny and then look at them under Thibs. Look at our guys under Thibs. Not all coaches know how to get the best out of guys despite their talents.

Come on now HEZI you are giving Brunson breakout scoring credit to Thibs and not just simply opportunity moving off being the backup behind Luka? When Luka was hurt in the playoffs the year before he came to the Knicks brunson avg 22 pts in 18 games. He was ready to break out with or without Thibs.

Randle is actually having a career best EFF season in Minny. He has slightly less PPG but on like 4 fewer shot attempts because he doesn't have the entire freedom that Thibs gave the offense. A lot of teams have more offensive structure while Thibs just simply allows his players to play and make the right reads.

No one is saying he's a bad coach. But to give him the most credit for us having a #1 rated offense he is far down the list.

Players league and then I give Leon and Co credit for giving THibs these horses. We would be the #1 offense with or without Thibs.

We wouldn't be the #1 offense if we swapped KAT back for Randle and DD. Point being...its the players and not the coach.

He averaged 32 MPG his last year in Dallas so 2 less minutes than he averages this season

Yeah you can have the horses but without a jockey they have no direction and are just roaming around all over the place. You can discredit Thibs all you want but you are absolutely wrong that any coach could take Thibs place especially in New York. That’s the furthest thing from the truth. He got the team playing at a high level and did it his way. The league is full of talent, every coach has a bunch of talent. Cavs got it, Boston has it. Anybody can coach them too right?

[mpharris36]

Brunson was a 16 ppg scorer before Thibs. KAT was also handcuffed in Minnesota and scoring 20 before Thibs let him loose. Both are having career years with Thibs and scoring 25+

Just look at Divo and Randle in Minny and then look at them under Thibs. Look at our guys under Thibs. Not all coaches know how to get the best out of guys despite their talents.

Come on now HEZI you are giving Brunson breakout scoring credit to Thibs and not just simply opportunity moving off being the backup behind Luka? When Luka was hurt in the playoffs the year before he came to the Knicks brunson avg 22 pts in 18 games. He was ready to break out with or without Thibs.

Randle is actually having a career best EFF season in Minny. He has slightly less PPG but on like 4 fewer shot attempts because he doesn't have the entire freedom that Thibs gave the offense. A lot of teams have more offensive structure while Thibs just simply allows his players to play and make the right reads.

No one is saying he's a bad coach. But to give him the most credit for us having a #1 rated offense he is far down the list.

Players league and then I give Leon and Co credit for giving THibs these horses. We would be the #1 offense with or without Thibs.

We wouldn't be the #1 offense if we swapped KAT back for Randle and DD. Point being...its the players and not the coach.

He averaged 32 MPG his last year in Dallas so 2 less minutes than he averages this season

Yeah you can have the horses but without a jockey they have no direction and are just roaming around all over the place. You can discredit Thibs all you want but you are absolutely wrong that any coach could take Thibs place especially in New York. That’s the furthest thing from the truth. He got the team playing at a high level and did it his way. The league is full of talent, every coach has a bunch of talent. Cavs got it, Boston has it. Anybody can coach them too right?

He was playing with a guy that had 37-38% usage