Knicks Core vs. Nets Core

Post #41 » by **j4remi** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:01 am

StutterStep wrote:
TKF wrote:how is their core better "without a doubt"? I am curios..

People love the "sexy" names that the media favor...but no one has address my point that our core would smoke theirs 7 to 8 out of 10 times.

And I'm with you on that sentiment..WITHOUT A DOUBT.

TBT · Post #42 » by **TBT** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:01 am

why do ppl continue to include nate/lee in these 'core' arguments when their not gonna be here next year

our core=Gallo/Will/Douglas/Hill

thats not good

NyKnicks1714 · Post #43 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:02 am

Harris is better than Nate, hands down. Last year he put up 21ppg on 15 shots while Nate put up 17ppg on 14 shots, in D'antoni's system. They have very similar field goal percentages but Harris gets to the line a lot more. Harris is a better defender and can guard 1's and 2's. Nate's a better shooter from long range but that's about the only edge he has over Harris.

As for Lopez, he isn't going to grow significantly as a player, but that's fine. He won't be an all-star, might have 1 or 2 appearances, but he's going to be a solid center in this league for years. I'm thinking 16-18 pts, 9-10 rebounds, 2-2.5 blocks in a couple of years.

HighRyzer83 · Post #44 » by **HighRyzer83** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:03 am

Devin Harris turns 27 this February. About 2 years older than Lebron. Not exactly a youngin anymore.

Post #45 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:04 am

^And from what I'm starting to see, Hill fits right in as another versatile, active young player who has a good motor and an even better attitude.

The truth of the matter is that MD wouldn't even have a lot of use for Harris, a non-ball moving and low % shooting PG, and Lopez, a blocky lug of a center. Hill is about as big as MD wants in the middle.

TKF · Post #46 » by **TKF** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:07 am

StutterStep wrote:
TKF wrote:how is their core better "without a doubt"? I am curios..

People love the "sexy" names that the media favor...but no one has address my point that our core would smoke theirs 7 to 8 out of 10 times.

the big difference overthe years with the nets owning us, has been Jason Kidd. After he lost a step, you could see the knicks sneaking in some wins. Once he left, the nets lost any advantage over us they had.. right now , I think this knicks team beats the nets 7 out of 10. I agree with that..

Post #47 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:09 am

TBT wrote:why do ppl continue to include nate/lee in these 'core' arguments when their not gonna be here next year

our core=Gallo/Will/Douglas/Hill

thats not good

That's false. The Knicks have a good shot to have enough cash to keep Lee, even if the cap goes down.

As far as Nate, he's probably crazy enough to stay in NY for a low salary if the Knicks get LeBron. Yes I mean it. The guy refused to go this off-season and he loves being a Knick. If LeBron comes, I suspect Nate will want back in at all costs.

can o peas · Post #48 » by **can o peas** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:09 am

if you were being more accurate, the owners would be this:

and the arena would be this:

ezmoney707 · Post #49 » by **ezmoney707** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:10 am

HighRyzer83 wrote:Devin Harris turns 27 this February. About 2 years older than Lebron. Not exactly a youngin anymore.

I guess we can add Chris Duhon to our young core then

Paeds · Post #50 » by **Paeds** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:11 am

HighRyzer83 wrote:Devin Harris turns 27 this February. About 2 years older than Lebron. Not exactly a youngin anymore.

lol, good point..Is player that is older than Bron eligible to be called "younger"?

ezmoney707 · Post #51 » by **ezmoney707** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:12 am

TBT wrote:why do ppl continue to include nate/lee in these 'core' arguments when their not gonna be here next year

our core=Gallo/Will/Douglas/Hill

thats not good

If you don't include nate and lee then the Nets can't include Harris then what young core would they have.

2010 · Post #52 » by **2010** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:13 am

KnicksGod wrote:
TBT wrote:why do ppl continue to include nate/lee in these 'core' arguments when their not gonna be here next year

our core=Gallo/Will/Douglas/Hill

thats not good

That's false. The Knicks have a good shot to have enough cash to keep Lee, even if the cap goes down.

As far as Nate, he's probably crazy enough to stay in NY for a low salary if the Knicks get LeBron. Yes I mean it. The guy refused to go this off-season and he loves being a Knick. If LeBron comes, I suspect Nate will want back in at all costs.

I agree with you here...

NyKnicks1714 · Post #53 » by **NyKnicks1714** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:14 am

ezmoney707 wrote:If you don't include nate and lee then the Nets can't include Harris then what young core would they have.

Why can't you include Harris? He's going to be there for a while.

ezmoney707 · Post #54 » by **ezmoney707** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:18 am

NyKnicks1714 wrote:
ezmoney707 wrote:If you don't include nate and lee then the Nets can't include Harris then what young core would they have.

Why can't you include Harris? He's going to be there for a while.

See other post above about age, did not read his first line of his post just read the second part

Post #55 » by **kane2021** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:20 am

Ask yourself this. In a dark alley who will you chose? Cause thats what it is. The playoffs are a dark alley. And you need tough scrappers. Not cry babies looking for the police to take control of the situation.

Dont let devin harris fool you. He is soft. His eyes show a weak heart.

Gallo, TD, Lee, and Nate are tough. Tough guys survive and suckers look for the authorities. Lee didnt put up 16-11 because he is talented. Lee put up 16-11 because he wants it more.

Harris has talent but he is a sucker. Lopez has heart but is dumb. And harris has been around. He is the same age as JJ.

I dont want to come off wrong but so often people are judged by there numbers or flashes. Its about the heart. Toughness is what motivates a guy to get it done when it counts. And thats why the nets are not a better team. Thats why the mavs gave up on the younger harris for kidd. Because kidd is tougher and there for more reliable for the fight of the post season.

Put a star on this team and our guys will go to war. Put a star on there team and they will stand and watch.

Post #56 » by **j4remi** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:22 am

How you gonna ignore my man Wilson in that post about toughness. The quiet ones are the scariest ones kane!

Post #57 » by **kane2021** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:27 am

j4remi wrote:How you gonna ignore my man Wilson in that post about toughness. The quiet ones are the scariest ones kane!

I know. He is what I call a yes mam. Meaning if you say, "go do this" he says "yes mam". Guys know im not high on chandler but I will say this. He does what he is told and does it as hard as he can. So yeah I should have put him there. WILSON! SORRY WILSON! :lol:

Subway Token · Post #58 » by **Subway Token** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:31 am

kane2021 wrote:Ask yourself this. In a dark alley who will you chose? Cause thats what it is. The playoffs are a dark alley. And you need tough scrappers. Not cry babies looking for the police to take control of the situation.

Dont let devin harris fool you. He is soft. His eyes show a weak heart.

Gallo, TD, Lee, and Nate are tough. Tough guys survive and suckers look for the authorities. Lee didnt put up 16-11 because he is talented. Lee put up 16-11 because he wants it more.

Harris has talent but he is a sucker. Lopez has heart but is dumb. And harris has been around. He is the same age as JJ.

I dont want to come off wrong but so often people are judged by there numbers or flashes. Its about the heart. Toughness is what motivates a guy to get it done when it counts. And thats why the nets are not a better team. Thats why the mavs gave up on the younger harris for kidd. Because kidd is tougher and there for more reliable for the fight of the post season.

Put a star on this team and our guys will go to war. Put a star on there team and they will stand and watch.

Ding ding, we have a winner. :lol:

HighRyzer83 · Post #59 » by **HighRyzer83** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:31 am

Paeds wrote:
HighRyzer83 wrote:Devin Harris turns 27 this February. About 2 years older than Lebron. Not exactly a youngin anymore.

lol, good point..Is player that is older than Bron eligible to be called "younger"?

An average bball player hits his prime around 27-29. So he only has about 3 years of prime activity. Not to mention he is a player that completely relies on speend and athleticism.

Post #60 » by **j4remi** » Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:32 am

kane2021 wrote:
j4remi wrote:How you gonna ignore my man Wilson in that post about toughness. The quiet ones are the scariest ones kane!

I know. He is what I call a yes mam. Meaning if you say, "go do this" he says "yes mam". Guys know im not high on chandler but I will say this. He does what he is told and does it as hard as he can. So yeah I should have put him there. WILSON! SORRY WILSON!

Can't even get mad at that...I'm high on him but he's a definitive bamma...just a highly skilled bamma. You tell him he needs to work on his J and don't be surprised to find him working on his J at a street court midwinter in a wifebeater and breakaway pants. You tell him to cut his hair and he'll ask what number razor.