O.T. .::THE SCIENCE AND PHILOSOPHY THREAD::.

[TrueWarrior]

Ha good one 1714. Look I just think they are pretty cool to look at.

Only two explanations I got are

1) Aliens trying to tell us some sh*t.

2) Microwave Lasers (Masers) by our own satellites. But again why would we be doing this? Destroying our own crops and then trying to cover them up and not report them? And there have been reports of crop circles for hundreds of years. We didnt have the tech back then.

I think its pretty obvious the board and rope theory is bullsh*t. Look at these things.

Again just another interesting OT topic imo.

[fazzk7]

Why do you think the board and rope theory is BS though? Just because the designs are complicated doesn't mean there isn't a simple and elegant solution to their creation.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/scienc ... ircle5.htm

[TrueWarrior]

Why do you think the board and rope theory is BS though? Just because the designs are complicated doesn't mean there isn't a simple and elegant solution to their creation.

Did you watch any of the videos I posted? Have you done any research on the topic? Obviously not. Science proves its impossible for the board and rope theory to be accurate. The molecules literally change within the plants.

Just use your eyes man. You really going to believe that a small group of humans made all of these with boards in one night? The size, precision, detail, and science behind them all?

EDIT: That link you posted is funny. But that only explains one crop circle. And that one is obviously not nearly as intricate as others. Theres a difference.

[fazzk7]

I did watch the videos - but see, not everything the videos say has to be true. I do use my eyes, and I do not see aliens.

Its funny when you say "do you REALLY believe" and then expect me to listen to a story about alien messages in corn.

Again, size, precision, detail are all easily achieved with the board and rope. I do not know what you mean by science behind them all- except the claim of distorted magnetic fields and other made up stuff in the video.

"For years, I have collected data on crop circles. I interviewed people who saw them being formed. They told me and showed me videos of the crop circles being made with ropes and boards and creatures that had two arms and two legs. The crops I saw were perfectly bent as if by a board made of wood. There was no electrical, magnetic, or molecular distortion of any kind in any single molecule - I checked with my microscopes. I even had third parties verify all this information. "

Now add that to a youtube video with some cool music and what do you get? The video you posted about "science" and crop circles. Its easy to make stuff up.

[TrueWarrior]

I did watch the videos - but see, not everything the videos say has to be true. I do use my eyes, and I do not see aliens.

Its funny when you say "do you REALLY believe" and then expect me to listen to a story about alien messages in corn.

Again, size, precision, detail are all easily achieved with the board and rope. I do not know what you mean by science behind them all- except the claim of distorted magnetic fields and other made up stuff in the video.

"For years, I have collected data on crop circles. I interviewed people who saw them being formed. They told me and showed me videos of the crop circles being made with ropes and boards and creatures that had two arms and two legs. The crops I saw were perfectly bent as if by a board made of wood. There was no electrical, magnetic, or molecular distortion of any kind in any single molecule - I checked with my microscopes. I even had third parties verify all this information. "

Now add that to a youtube video with some cool music and what do you get? The video you posted about "science" and crop circles. Its easy to make stuff up.

Give me the source of that quote.

And hey whatever man. I can go back and forth with you here posting articles and videos from scientists believing the alien theory and then you will just post articles and videos from scientists proving the board and rope theory. I really dont care that much to go down that road right now. I just think these crop circles are cool to look at and merely posted a few videos. If you want to disprove them all with one stupid quote thats great. I think a few humans with boards making these perfect and huge designs is even crazier than aliens, but to each his own.

[aq_ua]

If the aliens were trying to tell us something and using crop circles as the medium, you'd think they'd give up and try something else since it's obvious the message isn't getting through.

[TrueWarrior]

If the aliens were trying to tell us something and using crop circles as the medium, you'd think they'd give up and try something else since it's obvious the message isn't getting through.

Agreed there. I think its pretty clear the government knows about aliens but are just covering them up though.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk[/youtube]

A large number of ex high ranking officals including air traffic controllers, ex secret op. officers, commercial pilots, numerous military defence specialists with top secret security clearance, people who had access to very sensitive documents, lieutenants, ex commanders in the u.s airforce, astronauts, etc all going before the national press club to discuss what their experiences have been regarding u.f.o's and all are willing to go before congress to testify under oath.

[richardhutnik]

Why do you think the board and rope theory is BS though? Just because the designs are complicated doesn't mean there isn't a simple and elegant solution to their creation.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/scienc ... ircle5.htm

To replicate what was found at some sites, people doing experiments detonated metal shaving explosions and also heat. The phenomenon hasn't fully been explained, particularly using board and rope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crop_circle

Rockefeller study
In 1999, researcher Colin Andrews received funding from Laurence Rockefeller to conduct a two-year investigation into crop circles. His team concluded that 80% of all crop formations that appeared in England throughout 1999 and 2000 were unquestionably man-made and instigated by business and media interests. However the team could not account for the nature of the remaining 20%, which were termed "genuine". Andrews stated that he had encountered such "unexplainable" patterns 20 years earlier.[15]

On the unexplained attributes:
http://paranormal.about.com/library/wee ... 21802a.htm

- Rich

[Teppler]

I always thought crop circles was some sort of stand alone complex where there is just copy cat after copy cat and no real main perpetrator.

Any way I remember over the years watching some interesting stuff on the matter but nothing is registering in my memory bank atm, will have to revisit this phenomenon.

[fazzk7]

Rich,

Where is the evidence of these metal particles and other nonsense coming from? Is it from ghost hunters using their "magnetic field detectors"? When the needle tips a ghost is present...or I mean an alien in this case....

[Deeeez Knicks]

Proof that you can't believe all youtube video's

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAf6GtUTCzc[/youtube]

The first modern day crop circles were proven hoaxes. So either aliens copied them or the government spent billions building complex laser beams from space copying or the jokesters just got smarter.

[fazzk7]

I did watch the videos - but see, not everything the videos say has to be true. I do use my eyes, and I do not see aliens.

Its funny when you say "do you REALLY believe" and then expect me to listen to a story about alien messages in corn.

Again, size, precision, detail are all easily achieved with the board and rope. I do not know what you mean by science behind them all- except the claim of distorted magnetic fields and other made up stuff in the video.

"For years, I have collected data on crop circles. I interviewed people who saw them being formed. They told me and showed me videos of the crop circles being made with ropes and boards and creatures that had two arms and two legs. The crops I saw were perfectly bent as if by a board made of wood. There was no electrical, magnetic, or molecular distortion of any kind in any single molecule - I checked with my microscopes. I even had third parties verify all this information. "

Now add that to a youtube video with some cool music and what do you get? The video you posted about "science" and crop circles. Its easy to make stuff up.

Give me the source of that quote.

And hey whatever man. I can go back and forth with you here posting articles and videos from scientists believing the alien theory and then you will just post articles and videos from scientists proving the board and rope theory. I really dont care that much to go down that road right now. I just think these crop circles are cool to look at and merely posted a few videos. If you want to disprove them all with one stupid quote thats great. I think a few humans with boards making these perfect and huge designs is even crazier than aliens, but to each his own.

Warrior - thats just it! I wrote that "quote" myself as I made the post. See its so easy just to write anything that you want. People who make that website/youtube video can write whatever they want to and you can't just believe it because it was "quoted" by someone. Also - I understand they are cool to look at and an interesting topic because of their intricate designs and methods of creation but all I wanted to know was why you did not believe the board and rope explanation.

[aq_ua]

Proof that you can't believe all youtube video's

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAf6GtUTCzc[/youtube]

Who is this player? Do you think we can get him for Amar'e, Gallo and 2 future firsts??

[richardhutnik]

Rich,

Where is the evidence of these metal particles and other nonsense coming from? Is it from ghost hunters using their "magnetic field detectors"? When the needle tips a ghost is present...or I mean an alien in this case....

Why don't you do research on the net if you want to learn more, like about the validity of the Rockefeller study? If you look into it, you may get answers.

Or, you can just conclude all of them are man-made hoaxes and leave it be. Since you call it "nonsense" just keep believing it is all man-made with a rope and board.

- Rich

[TrueWarrior]

Warrior - thats just it! I wrote that "quote" myself as I made the post. See its so easy just to write anything that you want. People who make that website/youtube video can write whatever they want to and you can't just believe it because it was "quoted" by someone. Also - I understand they are cool to look at and an interesting topic because of their intricate designs and methods of creation but all I wanted to know was why you did not believe the board and rope explanation.

This site pits the Alien vs Boards theory against each other with no bias, just sources.
http://www.controversial-science.com/cu ... arison.htm

There are many scientists who back up the claims made in the videos man. You think they all merely made them up like you did? Come on. Again Im not going to post a million articles and quotes here. The link I just posted took me 2 seconds to find. There are clearly differences between the quality of some crop circles. Some of the less detailed and sloppy ones seem to be made by humans and the more sophisticated ones done by something else. But again you be the judge. There is alot more science involved with these than you are giving credit for. The board and rope theory just doesnt add up at all to explain all of them.

A. A 915 by 508-foot logarithmic spiral first seen by a pilot at 5:45 PM on July 7, 1996 appeared fully formed in a span of no more than 30 minutes. According to signed statements made by three witnesses, including the pilot who reported the formation, the circle was definitely not in the field at 5:30 PM when it was first overflown. According to Eltjo Haselhoff, a Dutch Ph.D studying crop circles, ex-RAF pilot David Kingston has three independent witness reports showing that the 1996 Stonehenge formation appeared within the span of approximately 30 minutes in broad daylight. Crop circle formation by hoax is highly unlikely in this case, given the short time span and the high traffic tourist area around Stonehenge. (See sources 1 and 10.) According to one account, a 2001 crop circle had a circle added to its design while researchers were present at the site.

B. The time required to produce a large formation using mechanical means, as demonstrated by the world's elite human "circlefakers," exceeds reasonable estimates for construction of the biggest formations to date. Winners of a $6000 prize in a crop circle contest took over four hours to produce a high quality formation. Impressive as this display was--the team reportedly accomplished the feat during darkness and made very little noise--the circlefakers' formation covered less than 20% of the square footage covered by the largest "genuine" circles. Similarly, a three-person team of hoaxers demonstrated their circle faking prowess on Arthur C. Clarke's crop circle program and fared much worse: it took them over three hours to produce, during daylight, a formation only 120 feet across. The largest formation crop circle to date measures over 2,300 feet in length. The 2001 Milk Hill "Julia Set" formation covers 636,000 square feet. According to Linda Moulton Howe, who interviewed an engineering firm regarding the Milk Hill formation, professional surveyors would have needed about eight hours of surveying time to lay out the formation in the field using standard surveying techniques. This time does not include the time to actually flatten the 409 circles into the grain, which according to one architect would likely have required thousands of man hours. On 8/14/01 in London, the number of hours of darkness (from twilight to dawn) was slightly less than eight hours. Weather reports indicate that it rained all or most of the night before the Milk Hill formation appeared. No mud or footprints were found by investigators first on the scene.

[Sideline Story]

Let's say aliens do exist. Does that not automatically throw most religions out the window?

[fazzk7]

See - when ALL these "scientists" and "witnesses" report this - you tell me its ridiculous that they could all be making it up/hiding it - but then when you talk Illuminati - the whole world (now universe) is hiding it.

[TrueWarrior]

See - when ALL these "scientists" and "witnesses" report this - you tell me its ridiculous that they could all be making it up/hiding it - but then when you talk Illuminati - the whole world (now universe) is hiding it.

This has nothing to do with the Illuminati. I gave you information and you just dismiss it. The biggest evidence dismissing your board theory is the clear manipulation of the molecules and nodes in the plants. That is IMPOSSIBLE to do with boards.

Plus the quote I posted in my last post shows that the best man made crop circles were made in over 4 hours time, and they were only 25% as large and not as intricate as the biggest crop circles on record. There have been numerous reports of crop circles appearing in merely minutes by pilots not seeing crop circles on their way somewhere but see them on their way back minutes later, and witnesses/farmers who saw balls of light over crops and then crop circles minutes later and felt the crops heated up like in a microwave.

Look Im not getting into a big debate here with somebody who clearly hasnt done much research. Look at stuff yourself with no agenda or bias and come to your own conclusion. The link I provided you pits both theories against eachother well.

Let's say aliens do exist. Does that not automatically throw most religions out the window?

Good question, and that would def be a reason why the government wouldnt admit to them.

[richardhutnik]

See - when ALL these "scientists" and "witnesses" report this - you tell me its ridiculous that they could all be making it up/hiding it - but then when you talk Illuminati - the whole world (now universe) is hiding it.

I believe it is best to say we don't fully understand crop circles and leave it at that. That is my conclusion regarding them.

- Rich

[fazzk7]

OK, and I dismissed it for a reason. It is some no name website with an agenda. Show me a scientific journal article - there are none because this is such a non-issue. No debate. No conspiracy. Just some people with boards doing some cool artwork.

The manipulation of molecules isn't occurring. Sorry.

And since you love quotes, from Nature:

Artists will seek faster methods to maintain the movement's evolution. Intriguingly, biophysicists who investigated 250 recent pictographs found that the knuckle-like joints of bent stalks were longer than those on untouched stalks from the same field. The observed elongation and swelling of these joints has been replicated using microwaves to superheat the stalks, causing them to fall over. Some patterns may have been sculpted using microwave generators, such as masers or magnetrons from microwave ovens.

The covert nature of the crop-circle movement fuels a cat-and-mouse game between artist and researcher. To appreciate a pictograph's intricacy, one must take to the air, sometimes photographing a pattern only minutes before it falls under the blades of a harvester. Each season's designs are published in a catalogue and their artistic evolution is discussed by dedicated societies. The good news is that these modern mathematical artworks may soon be exhibited in a field near you.

Stop acting like I haven't done research because I dismiss your random websites "facts" Obviously the witnesses weren't lying right? The reason I brought up the Illuminati is because you base alot of your beliefs on these witnesses and "scientists" and you told me I can't possibly believe they are all just making it up. But in Illuminati arguments you switch it around - everyone is making it up and lying about everything! Can't have it both ways.