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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#401 » by GotItNow » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:35 pm

Tommy Udo 6 wrote:Here is the situation as analyzed by Sam Smith in his blog a couple of weeks ago:

Melo just changed agents. Under CBA rules, his former agent gets all the commission for any extension.

The NEW agents - part of the LeBron Group - figures that if Melo plays in NY, their cut from his endorsements will compensate them for losing out on the extension commission.

Thus the NEW agents thus have reasons to encourage Melo not to sign any extension. If Melo signs a new contract as a Free Agent with NY or if he is traded to any team and does NOT sign an extension, his old agent loses out completely


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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#402 » by GotItNow » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:47 pm

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Drun53 wrote:My gut tells me that Denver will be stubborn and not trade him. They think they are title contenders.


Translation your gut tell you that Denver is willing to lose Carmelo for nothing in return. I highly doubt that.


Additional translation required. LeBron and Bosh both brought returns this off season and while not what they could have obtained in season is very far above "nothing." Denver could also very well be overestimating their chance of re-signing him thereby adding value to staying put in their eyes.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#403 » by GotItNow » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:54 pm

NYman15 wrote:http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70192/20101121/nuggets_want_lopez_in_anthony_deal/#

Now they want Lopez but I thought there wasn't any talk by Denver till December 15 but now they want Lopez which wont happen

I'm a little nervous that the nets will swoop in and get him before us but it is nice to see some of our prospects doing well


Denver wants wants wants....but they don't gets gets gets. LMMFAO at that management team. It's run by retards.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#404 » by GotItNow » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:00 am

Knicker23 wrote:The Knicks need to get Melo by any means necessary, be it Gallo or Fields or w/e.. I don't think we need to over-do it with players because we do have some leverage, but if Denver is interested in any of our players, which I can't see how they couldn't be after some good play, we need to get it done.

I do think we are still the favorite were he to go to FA, but I don't think it would get to that point, Denver is stubborn but they'll come to their senses by trade deadline if Melo hasn't signed an extension and make a move.

I don't think Melo wants to go to the Nets, and that he'd be there now if he wanted to, but seeing reports like 'Denver wants Lopez' which we've already knownn, still puts the thought/threat of the Nets caving in closer to the deadline and giving Lopez and Melo going to NJ.. I know Lopez is a great coachable big, but this is Melo, i'm not sure when push really comes to shove they'll be willing to be so hands-off on a him in regards to Melo.

GONYK do you have a link to that interview, that'd be interesting to see.. As if Denver really was stupid and felt it'd be worth giving the fans at least one more full season / playoffs with Melo at the expense of getting nothing in return for him i could see them not doing anything... but you have to think they'll trade him before that point.

Perhaps they're waiting till Dec 15 so that other players can be involved, who on our team can't be touched till then.. AR Fields Moz (Felton, fwiw)?


By any means necessary, yeah you should clarify that because right now the only "means" that should be deemed "necessary" is waiting. Yes, we should at least do that. If you have reason to think differently please posit your theory. prediction, pain.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#405 » by GotItNow » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:03 am

god shammgod wrote:
NYman15 wrote:http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/70192/20101121/nuggets_want_lopez_in_anthony_deal/#

Now they want Lopez but I thought there wasn't any talk by Denver till December 15 but now they want Lopez which wont happen

I'm a little nervous that the nets will swoop in and get him before us but it is nice to see some of our prospects doing well


denver is out of their mind. the nets deal was by far the best deal they were going to get. it takes a lot of balls to go back to them and ask for more.


yes Denver is stupid, let's just stand aside and watch those idiots burn. why should we be the ones to add kindling?
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#406 » by god shammgod » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:11 am

http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2010/11/21/carmelo-anthony-presents-become-legendary-mixtape/

Carmelo Anthony mixtape for his new sneakers

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sheek louch "on the phone trying to get melo to come to new york" :D
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#407 » by AllanHoustonFan » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:33 am

^That definitely means he is coming to NY now :lol:
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#408 » by god shammgod » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:42 am

AllanHoustonFan wrote:^That definitely means he is coming to NY now :lol:


:lol: word on the street is that a guy who carries weed for phife dawg is on the phone trying to convince melo to come to ny. so it's a lock.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#409 » by god shammgod » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:47 am

and i heard personally from brother j of x-clan's barber that melo is coming to ny. so it's a lock.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#410 » by RHODEY » Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:46 am

GotItNow wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Drun53 wrote:My gut tells me that Denver will be stubborn and not trade him. They think they are title contenders.


Translation your gut tell you that Denver is willing to lose Carmelo for nothing in return. I highly doubt that.


Additional translation required. LeBron and Bosh both brought returns this off season and while not what they could have obtained in season is very far above "nothing."


"The Heat sent Cleveland two first-round draft picks and two second-round picks, as well as a large trade exception, for James. The first-round picks could be between 2013 and 2017. The second-round picks are in 2012 (acquired from New Orleans) and a future pick acquired from Oklahoma City. For some reason, the Cavs will have the option to swap 2012 first-round picks with the Heat as well. The trade exception can be used within one year."

Given that Miami will win atleast 50 games, for the next 4 years , I would say what they gave up close to "nothing" to get Lebron, the best player in the game .Not too far above "nothing".

Denver could also very well be overestimating their chance of re-signing him thereby adding value to staying put in their eyes.


In other words, they are delusional.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#411 » by seren » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:15 pm

Tommy Udo 6 wrote:Here is the situation as analyzed by Sam Smith in his blog a couple of weeks ago:

Melo just changed agents. Under CBA rules, his former agent gets all the commission for any extension.

The NEW agents - part of the LeBron Group - figures that if Melo plays in NY, their cut from his endorsements will compensate them for losing out on the extension commission.

Thus the NEW agents thus have reasons to encourage Melo not to sign any extension. If Melo signs a new contract as a Free Agent with NY or if he is traded to any team and does NOT sign an extension, his old agent loses out completely


The more I read this, the less I want Melo. I just don't think it is a good idea to deal with those guys.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#412 » by Ray Williams » Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:21 pm

I am sick and tired of hicks trashing our roster, I hope we don't trade for Melo. Either he comes as a FA or not at all. These clowns are happy with Al F'n Harrington and have the cojones to trash guys like Gallo and Chandler. Donnie don't give these guys chit.Melo loves NY and if he signs elsewhere I don't think he or his wife want any part of the backlash when he comes here. Wait and see what happens when the nutless one comes to NY.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#413 » by Tommy Udo 6 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:07 pm

seren wrote:
Tommy Udo 6 wrote:Here is the situation as analyzed by Sam Smith in his blog a couple of weeks ago:

Melo just changed agents. Under CBA rules, his former agent gets all the commission for any extension.

The NEW agents - part of the LeBron Group - figures that if Melo plays in NY, their cut from his endorsements will compensate them for losing out on the extension commission.

Thus the NEW agents thus have reasons to encourage Melo not to sign any extension. If Melo signs a new contract as a Free Agent with NY or if he is traded to any team and does NOT sign an extension, his old agent loses out completely


The more I read this, the less I want Melo. I just don't think it is a good idea to deal with those guys.


I was told that Sam is only partly correct - Melo's old agent does get the commission for next season if Melo opts in or if an extension is signed. For years afyer that, it goes to his new agents - Leon Rose is the official agent with William (World Wide Wes) Wesley involved somehow.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#414 » by NYman15 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:35 pm

I really want melo but this has gotta be tough for the team as it hangs over their heads. I know e dream is to sign him as a free agent but I don't know if melo will wait that long which worries me because the nets could make a deal and he might eventually give in and say ok to nj. I believe he only wants ny but I don't know if he is wiling to wait to free agency. The latest I have heard from different sites is he is ok going into free agency which would be great and he keeps saying he wants to keep his options open. So we have to hope he keeps to his stance and says ny or bust
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#415 » by AllanHoustonFan » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:49 pm

NYman15 wrote:I really want melo but this has gotta be tough for the team as it hangs over their heads. I know e dream is to sign him as a free agent but I don't know if melo will wait that long which worries me because the nets could make a deal and he might eventually give in and say ok to nj. I believe he only wants ny but I don't know if he is wiling to wait to free agency. The latest I have heard from different sites is he is ok going into free agency which would be great and he keeps saying he wants to keep his options open. So we have to hope he keeps to his stance and says ny or bust


Right. He won't go to a gutted roster which is why he is willing to wait till free agency.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#416 » by NYman15 » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:58 pm

I believe that is his thinking too
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#417 » by dancing dervish » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:12 pm

The Nuggets are going the same desperate route teams like Cleveland,Minnesota and Toronto went. Anthony is leaving and they still think they can ask for near equal compensation.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#418 » by seren » Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:24 pm

Tommy Udo 6 wrote:
seren wrote:
Tommy Udo 6 wrote:Here is the situation as analyzed by Sam Smith in his blog a couple of weeks ago:

Melo just changed agents. Under CBA rules, his former agent gets all the commission for any extension.

The NEW agents - part of the LeBron Group - figures that if Melo plays in NY, their cut from his endorsements will compensate them for losing out on the extension commission.

Thus the NEW agents thus have reasons to encourage Melo not to sign any extension. If Melo signs a new contract as a Free Agent with NY or if he is traded to any team and does NOT sign an extension, his old agent loses out completely


The more I read this, the less I want Melo. I just don't think it is a good idea to deal with those guys.


I was told that Sam is only partly correct - Melo's old agent does get the commission for next season if Melo opts in or if an extension is signed. For years afyer that, it goes to his new agents - Leon Rose is the official agent with William (World Wide Wes) Wesley involved somehow.


I saw that Wesley dude on Washington bench last night. This guy seriously gets on my nerves.
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#419 » by K_ick_God » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:21 pm

A couple observations:

- Melo with 28 and 8 in the win over the Nets. But he was 11-25. Not very efficient. He's a very productive scorer but often on volume. I think that means he's somewhere below a purely great player.

- His comments about the Nets make me think he's not very serious about the Nets. To openly compliment them seems like a dead giveaway. And notice that he said a bunch of nice things but when they asked him if they're a great scorer away from contending he said "I have no idea." He backs off on the big question and does not take the bait. Telling. So he's saying all kinds of nice things about the Nets but cuts the cord by not answering the 'great scorer' question. I'm reading honesty here. He's not going that extra step and *connecting* himself to the compliments. He keeps his distance.

He's pressuring the Knicks (or Bulls) and/or throwing the Nets a bone in a gentlemanly 'You're a great also-ran' kind of way. He wouldn't say that stuff -- consolation prize talk -- unless he is not that interested, if at all interested.

Compare: If he had said that stuff about the Knicks ... well he never would have said that stuff about the Knicks because it's all way too obvious and sensitive ... it's too close to home. I would have read his statements as very disappointing and strange if he had said such nice things about the Knicks. It would be odd that he'd voice his approval -- because this kind of interest is something you don't flaunt if it's real. Because it'd be awkward. Melo's stuff about the Nets sounds like "She's a great girl, just not the one for me."

- If Gallo plays like this for another month, I may be very hesitant to part with him. The long ball and the FT-line knack, as well as the youth/cheapness, could make Gallo a keeper *if* the light has really gone on and what we're seeing is not just an aberration. If he's truly emerging and growing, then a smart 6-11 scorer with swagger, 3-point range and intelligent tricks is really an ideal fit next to Amar'e.

On the other side of the equation, even though Amar'e and Melo play different positions, they are actually quite similar in what they bring to the table as scorers. Good mid-range game, excellent around the hoop, bona fide stars, but not all-around guys who make their teammates better directly. I'm wavering as you can see and some of that is the overlap I'm starting to see, but it's also that Gallo's play is really surprising me. Still want Melo but we should consider a) how great is he as far as efficiency, b) how similar is he to Amar'e when you really analyze it at its core, and can they complement each other on the court, and c) does Gallo fit with Amar'e better if he keeps developing?
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Re: [Camelo Thread] - Part 4 

Post#420 » by towelie » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:33 pm

KG is the king of dissecting newspaper articles/quotes. Sometimes you overread/overanalyze a quote, like you did during the summer of LeBron, but more often, you're on point.

I pretty much had the same thought when reading Carmelo's quotes -- giving the Nets a bone after just playing them, but not really showing much interest.

On the other side of the equation, even though Amar'e and Melo play different positions, they are actually quite similar in what they bring to the table as scorers. Good mid-range game, excellent around the hoop, bona fide stars, but not all-around guys who make their teammates better directly. I'm wavering as you can see and some of that is the overlap I'm starting to see, but it's also that Gallo's play is really surprising me. Still want Melo but we should consider a) how great is he as far as efficiency, b) how similar is he to Amar'e when you really analyze it at its core, and can they complement each other on the court, and c) does Gallo fit with Amar'e better if he keeps developing?


That's true, but what a lot of people neglect about Melo, especially in discussions about whether we should give up Gallo, is he's still a player who demands double-teams. And when you have two players who demand doubles, it opens up the court for everyone. Melo's also a pretty underrated passer. He's no Paul, but he recognizes when he draws the double, and does a good job finding the open man.

But I agree, their skillsets aren't that complimentary...the way Ray Allen, Pierce, and KG all fit together seamlessly. Will be a challenge for any coach to get a Melo/Amare tandem to click offensively.

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