1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[TrueWarrior]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

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TC

I was going to say this.

Start Bibby and Shump for now.

Bring Toney, Landry, Balkman, Jeffries, and Jorts off the bench.

When Baron comes back replace Bibby with Baron.

Pray Kenyon comes in March.

[br7knicks]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

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I agree about grabbing a new player... if you start Bibby our defense would break down from the beginning of the defensive set because he can't stay in front of 95% of the point guards in the league. Based on what we've seen this season start TD at point and his vision will kill us + for some reason this year he can't keep pg out the lane or make a outside shot. Shump should be the starting 2 but at this point hes the best option at 1 at both ends of the floor . At this point help has to come from either BD or outside the current roster

was going to respond, but then i saw this

[br7knicks]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

bibby
shump
melo
amare
TC

I was going to say this.

Start Bibby and Shump for now.

Bring Toney, Landry, Balkman, Jeffries, and Jorts off the bench.

When Baron comes back replace Bibby with Baron.

Pray Kenyon comes in March.

exactly. bibby is no worse than fields defensively right now, so you're just exchanging those two. but bibby has no problem taking open shots, and it'll allow shump to go to his natural 2 position. also, bibby works better with amare

[towelie]

I'm looking at the box score and Landry Fields had a WAAAY better game than I thought. He was 2-3 (66%) from the field, had 6 defensive rebounds and 4 assists. He also, somehow, had a +8 +/- rating for the game.

But I guess his horrid defense just blinded me to any of his other contributions. Still, his 0-0 from 3-point range, is why the Magic were able to go to the zone. And of course his miss (a completely wide open airball miss at a key moment in the 4th) stood out to me more than his two makes.

he's scared to shoot at this point. he doesn't even attempt it. he makes the extra pass even when he's open.

Which is why he and Douglas are better off the bench. To play alongside alpha dogs scorers like Melo and Stoudemire, you need to have a certain confidence in your game. Douglas and Fields don't have that. They overthink every time they get the ball and hesitate every time they're open. Let them be part of the 2nd unit and they'll become more of an asset to this team.

IMO, until Baron is healthy, I think we need to roll with Bibby/Shump as our starting backcourt, even if Bibby has nothing left defensively. With Amar'e/Melo/Tyson all on the floor together, we need a better floor general in Bibby, and will have to stomach his defensive shortcomings. Bibby also has the confidence to nail the open J when the ball gets back to him from Melo or Amar'e.

[johnnywishbone]

OK.. I never blame the coach.. but today that changes..

First , we play a good defensive game.. not sure how the heck we let the bozo trio of anderson, stankylu and reddick, look like the celtics big 3, but just inexecusable..


the offense is still all melo, bail us out iso's, but at times we did have some good ball movement...


My big beef is with 6 minutes left, the magic go to a zone, and what does dantoni do? he goes with douglas? really, why not bring in harrelson along with novak.. why did we get him dantoni??? why!!!!!!!!!!! sit chandler, dwight was doing nothing, plus he can't hit FT's.. let amare guard dwight and let melo create and hit novak and jorts for shots.. shoot them out of the zone..

Honestly, if dantoni is going to mail it in.. just quit dude, QUIT!!! I watched vangundy go from Q richardson to earl clark trying to find matchups that work.. what do we do? we bench the best shooters while being stifled by zone...

yea, the players share some of the blame, amare still doesn't look comfortable, we missed open shots, but honestly, the coach didn't give us a chance to win....

To me, just trash the season if dantoni is going to mail it in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Felt like that was the best we played all year and I agree we lost because D'Antoni got out coached. Definitely should have taken Shump or TD out and put in Novak or Bibby and subbed Jorts for Amar'e.

Hedo off the glass? Really? And what's with Duhon shooting over 50% from 3 this year? We're cursed.

[thebuzzardman]

Does any team guard the Three worse than the Knicks?

Why don't they concede those baskets as 2 pt FG's? It seems like the differential in letting them be easy 2's instead of easy 3's (seems to me about 7 or 8 per game) would be the margin of victory quite often.

But of course, D' atardi and his partner in crime Woodson, think constant switching is a good idea. D'tardo is hopeless, but wtf is wrong with Woodson? Is he that thick to not notice Atlanta how different style of personnel than Knicks?

[GONYK]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

bibby
shump
melo
amare
TC

I was going to say this.

Start Bibby and Shump for now.

Bring Toney, Landry, Balkman, Jeffries, and Jorts off the bench.

When Baron comes back replace Bibby with Baron.

Pray Kenyon comes in March.

exactly. bibby is no worse than fields defensively right now, so you're just exchanging those two. but bibby has no problem taking open shots, and it'll allow shump to go to his natural 2 position. also, bibby works better with amare

I also endorse this lineup

[Knicksfan20]

IDK what most of you guys are complaining about. We played a great game overall. Magic hit alot of tough shots. There 3 ball was falling from everywhere. Most of the time they were not high % 3 pt attepts or 6 second or less shotclock beaters.

My only gripe is again...we saw no balkman. Billy Walker again...a ghost out there. He did nothing. His D was bad too. I cant hate on Jeff because he had a really good game. But i can hate on the fact that Walker is still playing over Balkman and its ridiculous. Fields wasnt great, but at least he rebounded.

Also i feel like we had alot of bad calls go against us. We should have been to the line even more and we had some bad Offensive fouls called. Howard should have fouled out with like 5 mins left in the game. Melo should have had at another 6 fts or so and Amare should have had at least 2-4 ifi remember right.

Overall, we competed. We lead most of the game, and we played good on both sides of the ball. Walker has got to sit and balkman needs his mins. We need another defensive player out there, especially at the garden. Defense gets the crowed pumped up and is like having an extra two guys on the defensive side of the floor. Balkman is like Jeffries and Shump, he gets his hands on alot of balls. Keeps offensive plays alive. Gets steals. Good man defender.


I really hope Mike realizes this sooner then later. if i was a season ticket holder, i would show up nice and early and start chanting "We want balkman" even if i was by myself.

[ctorres]

If Bibby had good legs, he would start alongside Shumpert. Something tells me that for every good game Bibby has, there is a reason why he can't really follow it up, and it's because the guy can barely hold up at this stage of his career. It's sad, makes you wonder what happened to Bibby. Jason Terry managed to take care of his body over the years, and he's much older than Bibby.

I mean, there is a reason why Bibby is completely content with taking whatever role is given to him on the team. It's not because he's being a "team player". You don't see quotes from Bibby saying he can handle a starting role on this team. The guy is fighting to keep a job in the NBA. He knows he can't bitch about his role on the team because no other team in the NBA would take him and he knows he's in no place to bitch because he knows he can't play anymore.

[GONYK]

IDK what most of you guys are complaining about. We played a great game overall. Magic hit alot of tough shots. There 3 ball was falling from everywhere. Most of the time they were not high % 3 pt attepts or 6 second or less shotclock beaters.

My only gripe is again...we saw no balkman. Billy Walker again...a ghost out there. He did nothing. His D was bad too. I cant hate on Jeff because he had a really good game. But i can hate on the fact that Walker is still playing over Balkman and its ridiculous. Fields wasnt great, but at least he rebounded.

Also i feel like we had alot of bad calls go against us. We should have been to the line even more and we had some bad Offensive fouls called. Howard should have fouled out with like 5 mins left in the game. Melo should have had at another 6 fts or so and Amare should have had at least 2-4 ifi remember right.

Overall, we competed. We lead most of the game, and we played good on both sides of the ball. Walker has got to sit and balkman needs his mins. We need another defensive player out there, especially at the garden. Defense gets the crowed pumped up and is like having an extra two guys on the defensive side of the floor. Balkman is like Jeffries and Shump, he gets his hands on alot of balls. Keeps offensive plays alive. Gets steals. Good man defender.


I really hope Mike realizes this sooner then later. if i was a season ticket holder, i would show up nice and early and start chanting "We want balkman" even if i was by myself.

I agree with you for the most part. Like I said, this loss was better than most of our wins

[Rasho Brezec]

We're one of the worst teams when it comes to defending 3pt shots, but it hasn't hurt us that much because we mostly played teams who don't take many 3's. Watch Suns beat us the same way.

[TrueWarrior]

the knicks need to either grab a 1, so shump can move, or get a 2, temporarily until davis can come play.

well at this point, what would be the harm in bringing bibby to start? he's no worse than fields or amare on defense at this point.

bibby
shump
melo
amare
TC

I was going to say this.

Start Bibby and Shump for now.

Bring Toney, Landry, Balkman, Jeffries, and Jorts off the bench.

When Baron comes back replace Bibby with Baron.

Pray Kenyon comes in March.

exactly. bibby is no worse than fields defensively right now, so you're just exchanging those two. but bibby has no problem taking open shots, and it'll allow shump to go to his natural 2 position. also, bibby works better with amare

Yea Im not expecting much out of Bibby, and he should only play 20 mpg tops even as a starter, but he would balance the lineup and did show he could still hit shots against Washington and Detroit. Hit 2 threes against OKC too. Even if, god forbid, hes worse than Fields on D I think the tradeoff with his shooting, experience, and passing makes up for it. Plus Shump will have more help in the back court with Bibby besides Landry pump faking his way into superjail.

Its either start Bibby or Balkman for me, but Fields needs to go.

[johnnywishbone]

After watching today's game does anyone still not believe that Tyson Chandler is an elite defender? This team kind of reminds me of the Giants. We have injuries at the beginning of the season but we could make noise in the playoffs if we are healthy because we are built for playoff basketball i.e. a legitimate big man, a bonafide goto scorer and we are not that deep but you shorten your rotation during the playoffs anyway.

If we get Kenyon Martin or JR Smith that would be huge for us.

[Knicksfan20]

We're one of the worst teams when it comes to defending 3pt shots, but it hasn't hurt us that much because we mostly played teams who don't take many 3's. Watch Suns beat us the same way.

They hit alot of tough 3's

[mpharris36]

We're one of the worst teams when it comes to defending 3pt shots, but it hasn't hurt us that much because we mostly played teams who don't take many 3's. Watch Suns beat us the same way.

They hit alot of tough 3's

ehh...besides turk bank 3 and maybe 1 or 2 anderson 3's most of there 3's were wide open....JJ was getting clean looks all night. Anderson for the most part had clean looks...duhon had a wide open 3. Turk had some clean looks off screans.

sure they hit shots but thats what they do...force them to put the ball on the court and make tough contented layups and pull up jumpers not 3's!

[Jay10]

chris sheridan is reporting dwight added LAC to the list of teams he would be okay with signing the extension with

[Thugger HBC]

chris sheridan is reporting dwight added LAC to the list of teams he would be okay with signing the extension with

Blake for Howard.

[NYKAllDay333]

i was at the game, frustrating to be up the whole game and blow it at the end. How did we leave a shooter in reddick open every time? and Ryan Anderson freaking killed us. Melo was hot in the first half and got cold. The fouls that were called on the Knicks , especially Amare killed us. HIm being in foul trouble hurt us. Fields and douglas have to go, it's so obvious the main problem is at point, the other problems lie in the coaching and the defense.

[mpharris36]

i was at the game, frustrating to be up the whole game and blow it at the end. How did we leave a shooter in reddick open every time? and Ryan Anderson freaking killed us. Melo was hot in the first half and got cold. The fouls that were called on the Knicks , especially Amare killed us. HIm being in foul trouble hurt us. Fields and douglas have to go, it's so obvious the main problem is at point, the other problems lie in the coaching and the defense.

douglas i thought played well for one of the 1st times this yr...actually played good defense on there shooters and took it to the hoop a few times. Fields on the otherhand

[ibraheim718]

We're one of the worst teams when it comes to defending 3pt shots, but it hasn't hurt us that much because we mostly played teams who don't take many 3's. Watch Suns beat us the same way.

The problem is two fold...

The first part is guys getting beat by their man off of the dribble then it triggers the second part which is guys helping off of guys they shouldn't be helping off of.