Raps trying to trade us Lowry...

MaseInYourFace · Post #401 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:40 pm

Come to think of it, Felton is the perfect Tank Commander.

Greenie · Post #402 » by **Greenie** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

Jay10 wrote:
greenhughes wrote:
god shammgod wrote:lowry is not great. but all our guards are terrible this year and they're trying to save the season.

Lowry ain't the answer though. He's stupid too and is not a true PG. He's just like Felton, he's playing better now though. The same **** we hate about Felton, Kyle does as well.

i would rather deal with his expiring contract, than felton's contract for 2 more years

So who's our PG next year? I bet you we re-sign him. Then we will be stuck with Raymond Jr longer than we would have been stuck with Raymond Sr...

Post #403 » by **K_ick_God** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:JR isn't getting traded. Shumpert and Hardaway are.

Gentlemen's bet, nothing really on the line other than an Itoldyaso. I bet the Knicks don't deal THJ at all and only one of Shump and a pick that is protected. Dealio?

I don't gamble, I'm not in the Knicks FO. But we're getting another CAA player and trading two that aren't.

Fair enough. I admit that we have overpaid and no reason to think it would stop. But this is Mills' first trade if it goes through. I'm comfortable predicting it's only one young asset/pick and it won't be THJ.

JohnStarksTheDunk · Post #404 » by **JohnStarksTheDunk** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

Lowry is better than Felton, without a doubt, but I'm against giving up Shump in this deal. Shump isn't playing well right now (guess what? no one on this team is!), which means his value is lower than it ought to be. Moving him now, for a guy who is going to be a free agent after this year anyway, is not a very good return on our only asset.

JustaKnickFan · Post #405 » by **JustaKnickFan** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

Fury wrote:
JustaKnickFan wrote:Lowry is not a good PG. He also plays a style similar Felton. He is a much better scorer than Felton, however other attributes such as his defense, and passing suck in comparison to other PGs.

I get that we like Lowry cause he's new, but he's not going to do much for this team.

That's not true. He's a decent passer, and he's a good defender.

I've watched him.

He gambles a ton of defense, which makes him very poor in rotations. He also fails to run the PnR roll and really struggles to make passes into the lane. He's an improved Felton.

MaseInYourFace · Post #406 » by **MaseInYourFace** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

Fury wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:
Fury wrote:
That's not true. He's a decent passer, and he's a good defender.

Compared to top tier he's lacking there. It's true. I think we can all agree he's better than Felton though we are all just disagreeing how much better...

Like I said, he's in the 2nd tier. And at the top of the 2nd tier. Felton is like at the bottom of the 4th tier.

Ehh I'd say mid second to third tier. PG position is stacked these days...

god shammgod · Post #407 » by **god shammgod** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Kind changing my mind. In preparation for 2015, keep all assets. Who cares what pick we give Denver -- totally meaningless.

Sign Lowry in the offseason if you must. But he would only help our record next year which is bad (tank that year).

This should be about 2015 and amassing assets. Giving Denver a pick means absolutely nothing at this stage of the game. If anything, Denver will occupy a lottery spot that otherwise would go to an Eastern Conf team.

A man has a right to change his mind. Forget about it. Let Ray come back and see what he can do.

ray is out for the rest of the month though

the knicks are focused on 2 things, making the playoffs and keeping carmelo. it's not a coincidence this happened right after the ray injury.

RHODEY · Post #408 » by **RHODEY** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

KnicksGod wrote:Kind changing my mind. In preparation for 2015, keep all assets. Who cares what pick we give Denver -- totally meaningless.

Sign Lowry in the offseason if you must. But he would only help our record next year which is bad (tank that year).

This should be about 2015 and amassing assets. Giving Denver a pick means absolutely nothing at this stage of the game. If anything, Denver will occupy a lottery spot that otherwise would go to an Eastern Conf team.

A man has a right to change his mind. Forget about it. Let Ray come back and see what he can do.

LOL when you mentioned moving JR I was on your bandwagon, now your abandoning me? :lol:

Fat · Post #409 » by **Fat** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

omerome wrote:
knickabocker88 wrote:I see nobody wants to create the Raymond Felton Appreciation thread

What was there to appreciate?

He owned Paul Pierce soul in the playoffs and the lobs to Tyson were great thats all i got so far

Knicks_Fan2 · Post #410 » by **Knicks_Fan2** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:41 pm

JustaKnickFan wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
JustaKnickFan wrote:Lowry is not a good PG. He also plays a style similar Felton. He is a much better scorer than Felton, however other attributes such as his defense, and passing suck in comparison to other PGs.

I get that we like Lowry cause he's new, but he's not going to do much for this team.

He's better than Felton both on offense and defense. Nobody is suggesting he's an elite pg but we can't get one of those.

But it's a marginal upgrade that doesn't make sense. It doesn't fix anything wrong with this team. All it does is deplete this team of the small trade-able assets they still have.

Huh, you don't think pg is "wrong with this team"? And it's not a marginal upgrade; would you like me to rattle off every single statistical category Lowry is dominating Felton in this season?

damedash09 · Post #411 » by **damedash09** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:42 pm

Juco24 wrote:I'd rather do a Shump/Ray deal for Lowry than a Shump/THJ/Filler for Rondo... because THJ can do something that's hard to teach = Shoot! And will only get better. He's the future starting SG as of right now, which to me is what's making Shump expendable

rajon rondo is a game changer, i'll take rondo all day any day

Fury · Post #412 » by **Fury** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:42 pm

JustaKnickFan wrote:
Fury wrote:
JustaKnickFan wrote:Lowry is not a good PG. He also plays a style similar Felton. He is a much better scorer than Felton, however other attributes such as his defense, and passing suck in comparison to other PGs.

I get that we like Lowry cause he's new, but he's not going to do much for this team.

That's not true. He's a decent passer, and he's a good defender.

I've watched him.

He gambles a ton of defense, which makes him very poor in rotations. He also fails to run the PnR roll and really struggles to make passes into the lane. He's an improved Felton.

I've been watching him since college too. He's as good as you're going to get at PG (on defense).

SaveUsKP6 · Post #413 » by **SaveUsKP6** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:42 pm

blueNorange wrote:lol @ the people who want to trade shumpert for lowry.

lol @ the people who think Shumpert is better than Lowry.

R-DAWG · Post #414 » by **R-DAWG** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:42 pm

NYKfan77 wrote:
god shammgod wrote:an Begley ‏@IanBegley 1m

Nothing earth-shattering here, but I've been told that Iman Shumpert's name has come up in the #Knicks trade talks with TOR for Kyle Lowry.

how surprising

It is clear the deal we are offering is Shump and Felton.

I don't love this trade, but I don't hate it. Upside is Lowry thrives with Melo and lives up to the potential people thought he had in Houston. Downside is he's really just not that good. But let's be honest, Iman Shumpert has been one of the most disappointing parts of this Knicks season and his value is way down. Tough sell but at the end of the day i'll accept the trade, I don't see Shump turning into a star. Although compared to what we could have gotten for Shump in the summer this isn't great.

Jay10 · Post #415 » by **Jay10** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:42 pm

MaseInYourFace wrote:Come to think of it, Felton is the perfect Tank Commander.

JR is actually the perfect Tank Commander. His chucking ability and low iq would be the perfect match for what the raptors are trying to do.

mrcalzone · Post #416 » by **mrcalzone** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:43 pm

Keep Felton. Play him and Lowry together at the same time when Felton comes back.

500 pound backcourt = championship

JustaKnickFan · Post #417 » by **JustaKnickFan** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:43 pm

Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
JustaKnickFan wrote:
Knicks_Fan2 wrote:
He's better than Felton both on offense and defense. Nobody is suggesting he's an elite pg but we can't get one of those.

But it's a marginal upgrade that doesn't make sense. It doesn't fix anything wrong with this team. All it does is deplete this team of the small trade-able assets they still have.

Huh, you don't think pg is "wrong with this team"? And it's not a marginal upgrade; would you like me to rattle off every single statistical category Lowry is dominating Felton in this season?

He isn't fixing the team's "pg problems". Lowry plays the same way Felton does, shoots the 3 and drives to the basket. He struggles actually passing.

It's marginal in a sense that you're getting better at something you already are good in, but not improving in the areas where you desperately need it.

JBreezeNY · Post #418 » by **JBreezeNY** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:43 pm

JustaKnickFan wrote:
Fury wrote:
JustaKnickFan wrote:Lowry is not a good PG. He also plays a style similar Felton. He is a much better scorer than Felton, however other attributes such as his defense, and passing suck in comparison to other PGs.

I get that we like Lowry cause he's new, but he's not going to do much for this team.

That's not true. He's a decent passer, and he's a good defender.

I've watched him.

He gambles a ton of defense, which makes him very poor in rotations. He also fails to run the PnR roll and really struggles to make passes into the lane. He's an improved Felton.

Felton Jr. :clap:

Buggin Out · Post #419 » by **Buggin Out** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:43 pm

Quick Questions for Knick Fans:

If word got out that Dolan turned down the Lowry trade because they wanted Shump how would you feel?

Also what if we trade Felton and THJR for Lowry instead of Shump?

Just trying to see people's general opinion

Post #420 » by **mpharris36** » Thu Dec 12, 2013 7:43 pm

kill me for saying this but I would rather give up a semi protected 2018 first rounder.

hear me out....even in the knicks worse of worse years (led by curry and crawful, and nate). We still didn't get in the top 5 where the difference makers are. So at our worst we never were a big time lottery team because Dolan never believes in tanking because he wants to win as much and sell seats later.

I would rather keep shump and wait till hopefully he starts playingn better and increasing his value.

does that make any sense.