PG: Nobody likes Black Santa Claus

[god shammgod]

"he's better then isiah" shouldn't be the only accomplishment a gm needs here. it should be something more.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

The excuses people make for Phil is laughably embarrassing. This guy exiled Dolan, is responsible for every player on the roster, he flip-flops the game plan, made the horrible trade for Calderon, struck out on every single meaningful free agent, implemented this awful system that is dependent on HOF talent (which we don't have) to work, hired a novice at elite head coach salary, fired him after less than 2 yrs, wants to remove the interim tag from Rambis merely because he is his puppet and friend, and yet somehow people are still finding a way to blame Dolan and Mills.

UNBELIEVABLE

Why do people keep saying this? Who did we miss out on? Greg Monroe? That's who you are bitching over?

Aldridge, Jordan, Monroe ... one third of the league was in free agency that year and we came out of it with Lopez, no point guard and Afflalo. It was a bad return.

Here's the free agency list

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2015/

Honestly, what did u expect? We were coming off of 17 wins, Melo had missed half the season, and KP was seen as an unknown project. Who did u really think was coming here? If u were penciling in Marc Gasol, Draymond Green, or LMA into your starting lineups while we were winning less than 20 games, then you were just fooling yourself. I guess u can say that we missed out on Monroe, but that's actually a good thing. If he was here right now not playing any defense, y'all would be sh*tting on Phil for having signed him. Monroe doesn't even start these days...

[NYKnicksTAPE]

"he's better then isiah" shouldn't be the only accomplishment a gm needs here. it should be something more.

You seem to forget that he also drafted KP...only the most promising player we've had on this team since Ewing.

[prophet_of_rage]

sums up knicks night

What's hilarious is how Gerald Henderson just lets him fall maybe thinking he was trying to get fouled.

[prophet_of_rage]

Why do people keep saying this? Who did we miss out on? Greg Monroe? That's who you are bitching over?

Aldridge, Jordan, Monroe ... one third of the league was in free agency that year and we came out of it with Lopez, no point guard and Afflalo. It was a bad return.

Here's the free agency list

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2015/

Phil got solid guys with good character... He didn't over spend.. If you were in charge... You wouldhave Monroe at max and nobody else.. And be begging to have him traded now..

Yeah, that's exactly what would happen. Absolutely brilliant!

[Knicksfan1992]

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Christ... I think he's easily my most hated player in a Knicks uniform of all time...

[Blue Ninja]

The Spurs tanked to get Duncan. The Thunder were horrible for multiple years which allowed them to get KD, Westbrook, and Harden. The same thing with the Clippers which allowed them to get Gordon and Griffin (with Gordon being the centerpiece of a trade for CP3). This also applies to the Warriors who were able to draft Curry, Klay, and Barnes. We need high level picks in order to get potentially high level players that will be cost controlled for many years.

KP being less focused lately is just part of being a rookie. He's never played this many games this quickly before. Did Curry, Klay, KD, Westbrook, Griffin etc not turn out just fine even tho they were losing early on in their careers? Did AD not turn into a top 5 player?

Teams like the Twolves and Kings are just stupid organizations. The Wolves had 2 chances to draft Curry...they didn't. The Kings could've drafted Klay and Lillard in consecutive drafts...instead they took Jimmer and Robinson. That's on them. Let's not act like every organization is as inept as they are. We went into the draft with the 4th pick and ended up with the 2nd best player in KP.

Well no. What the Warriors, Clippers and Spurs did doesn't apply to multi-year tanking.

Warriors were trying to compete every year. They got their best players at #7, #11 and in the 2nd round. That's not tanking, that's good drafting and development.

The Spurs tanked one season, which is totally okay.

The Clippers also just sucked. The year they were in position to get Gordon only one player was under 25 and getting more than 15mpg. That's not tanking, that's just sucking. Same thing the year after that. Only 2 players got more than 15.1mpg and were under 25.

The Thunder I already said, were the only team to successfully multi-year tank.


As I said before, it's more important to compete as our players learn to do things the right way, and make the most of our draft picks, rather than just tank. Tanking instills bad habits and a losing mentality in young players. Most of the players you mentioned teams tried to compete, but it's another hurdle for young players. Knowing there's no expectations for the year breeds complacency. Just draft well and develop. It works just as well, if not better than multi-year tanking.

[prophet_of_rage]

Why do people keep saying this? Who did we miss out on? Greg Monroe? That's who you are bitching over?

Aldridge, Jordan, Monroe ... one third of the league was in free agency that year and we came out of it with Lopez, no point guard and Afflalo. It was a bad return.

Here's the free agency list

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2015/

Honestly, what did u expect? We were coming off of 17 wins, Melo had missed half the season, and KP was seen as an unknown project. Who did u really think was coming here? If u were penciling in Marc Gasol, Draymond Green, or LMA into your starting lineups while we were winning less than 20 games, then you were just fooling yourself. I guess u can say that we missed out on Monroe, but that's actually a good thing. If he was here right now not playing any defense, y'all would be sh*tting on Phil for having signed him. Monroe doesn't even start these days...

If you were at all reading my posts last year I told you guys no one was coming and that it was a pipe dream. But keep on with the fight against reality.

[god shammgod]

"he's better then isiah" shouldn't be the only accomplishment a gm needs here. it should be something more.

You seem to forget that he also drafted KP...only the most promising player we've had on this team since Ewing.

i didn't forget. but it doesn't change the fact the he doesn't know how to put a team together. he put together rosters that didn't make sense 2 years in a row now. i'm pretty sure this upcoming year is his last year if he doesn't figure it out.

[NOOB77]

Yall need to stop blaming the triangle... It's a good system and not much different than other systems.. What's wrong with the Knicks is....

1. **No defensive intensity or consistence**

2. No point guard to set guys up for easy buckets

3. There is no leadership.. Play with no heart

No The problem is Phil has not adapted his version of the triangle. Lots of other teams run a version of the triangle with modifications to it. Warriors, Spurs ect. Problem is we are running the original version of the triangle which is dated and needs to be adjusted.

You argued my points marvelously... Great job

RIght and like I said in the original post that you disagreed with if Phil doesn't adapt his system then it will be his downfall.

[mpharris36]

"he's better then isiah" shouldn't be the only accomplishment a gm needs here. it should be something more.

absolutely agree. I think people are up in arms when some people say we are in a worse position then when we were with Isiah. I mean I have heard silly comments but that might top them all. Not in salary cap hell, movable contracts (outside of calderon), all our 1st round picks. We haven't had that in 15 years.

I think we all want Phil to do better. I think we just disagree on the timeline which we expected him to get it done. It is the first year he actually was able to bring in his own players with cap space.

[HerSports85]

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rebuilding and development they said

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Aldridge, Jordan, Monroe ... one third of the league was in free agency that year and we came out of it with Lopez, no point guard and Afflalo. It was a bad return.

Here's the free agency list

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2015/

Honestly, what did u expect? We were coming off of 17 wins, Melo had missed half the season, and KP was seen as an unknown project. Who did u really think was coming here? If u were penciling in Marc Gasol, Draymond Green, or LMA into your starting lineups while we were winning less than 20 games, then you were just fooling yourself. I guess u can say that we missed out on Monroe, but that's actually a good thing. If he was here right now not playing any defense, y'all would be sh*tting on Phil for having signed him. Monroe doesn't even start these days...

If you were at all reading my posts last year I told you guys no one was coming and that it was a pipe dream. But keep on with the fight against reality.

So then why are u mad at Phil if u thought that no one was going to come here, and then no one actually came?

[NOOB77]

"he's better then isiah" shouldn't be the only accomplishment a gm needs here. it should be something more.

They can pay me half of Phils money to hire crappy coaches and sign mediocre free agents and I also promise I will not trade any future picks. If that is all it takes to make a good GM in NY I can do it.

[mpharris36]

"he's better then isiah" shouldn't be the only accomplishment a gm needs here. it should be something more.

You seem to forget that he also drafted KP...only the most promising player we've had on this team since Ewing.

i didn't forget. but it doesn't change the fact the he doesn't know how to put a team together. he put together rosters that didn't make sense 2 years in a row now. i'm pretty sure this upcoming year is his last year if he doesn't figure it out.

Roster, not rosters... 1 roster.

How can you blame him for last years roster with Amare and Bargs taking up nearly 50% of the cap. He brought in scraps because of inability to make any moves. Amare, Bargs, and JR weren't his fault.

So really he has had 1 year.

[HerSports85]

honestly with this record and the triangle I'll be surprised if we land anyone in Free Agency

[Fat Kat]

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Christ... I think he's easily my most hated player in a Knicks uniform of all time...

That's why you can't trust a word that comes out of Rambis' mouth. He's doing nothing more than catering to the vets. Any 10 day contract would be an improvement over both Sasha and Jose.

[mpharris36]

honestly with this record and the triangle I'll be surprised if we land anyone in Free Agency

I think it makes sense to just rebuild. We have a 20 year old piece. We can move Melo, ROLO, and others to get additional picks. And we have all our 1st rounders after this year to rebuild with. Perfect time to rebuild.

[god shammgod]

You seem to forget that he also drafted KP...only the most promising player we've had on this team since Ewing.

i didn't forget. but it doesn't change the fact the he doesn't know how to put a team together. he put together rosters that didn't make sense 2 years in a row now. i'm pretty sure this upcoming year is his last year if he doesn't figure it out.

Roster, not rosters... 1 roster.

How can you blame him for last years roster with Amare and Bargs taking up nearly 50% of the cap. He brought in scraps because of inability to make any moves. Amare, Bargs, and JR weren't his fault.

So really he has had 1 year.

he changed half the roster last year...dalembert, calderon, larkin, acy, j smith, early, wear...that was him.....those were his ideas at getting better....all of those guys are worthless

[HerSports85]

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