George Karl at it again...

[ctorres]

Kenyon is now on FS1 [FoxSports1] speaking on the George Karl quotes about him and Carmelo.

Sone of us don't have cable, could someone provide a summary?

Thank you loves!

[NoLayupRule]

You don't have to be a racist to be an a$$hole

[Jay10]

Kenyon is now on FS1 [FoxSports1] speaking on the George Karl quotes about him and Carmelo.

Sone of us don't have cable, could someone provide a summary?

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[Johnny Hoops]

I'm not taking sides. I'm just watching the show. Pretend I'm not even here.

I just love me some old grumpy coaches. This conversation is really a basketball fraternity conversation so for me that's how I view it. I don't read into race.. George Karl has his place in the fraternity cemented. This is an old grump coach throwing kids that drove him crazy under the bus.

But the other truth is also.. it was Karl that cost the Nuggets a chance at a championship more than it was Melo with two of the most awfully designed in bounds plays in NBA history.

You've been here a while.. let's reminisce about the time I was the boards biggest Melo Stan. Good times.. I should post some stuff from back then.

He doesn't seem to ever talk negative when it comes to Gary Payton or Shawn Kemp, so he might not be a racist but just an old grumpy coach like you said. I think to this day he still refers to Gary Payton as one of his closest friends.

Payton played hard every night it is pretty simple.

George is as old school as they come and just doesn't care for what Melo stands for and neither do I or many around the NBA for that matter. The comments about him not having a father -- have those type sentiments not been shared before by hundreds/thousands of people? How many stories do you read where a coach becomes a father figure because the player didn't have a dad in his life.

[Oscirus]

Karl wins regardless. Because unlike Phil, Karl has a financial stake in what he says. All this publicity can only be seen as good for his book sales.

[Rotten Apple]

I just love me some old grumpy coaches. This conversation is really a basketball fraternity conversation so for me that's how I view it. I don't read into race.. George Karl has his place in the fraternity cemented. This is an old grump coach throwing kids that drove him crazy under the bus.

But the other truth is also.. it was Karl that cost the Nuggets a chance at a championship more than it was Melo with two of the most awfully designed in bounds plays in NBA history.

You've been here a while.. let's reminisce about the time I was the boards biggest Melo Stan. Good times.. I should post some stuff from back then.

He doesn't seem to ever talk negative when it comes to Gary Payton or Shawn Kemp, so he might not be a racist but just an old grumpy coach like you said. I think to this day he still refers to Gary Payton as one of his closest friends.

Payton played hard every night it is pretty simple.

George is as old school as they come and just doesn't care for what Melo stands for and neither do I or many around the NBA for that matter. The comments about him not having a father -- have those type sentiments not been shared before by hundreds/thousands of people? How many stories do you read where a coach becomes a father figure because the player didn't have a dad in his life.

Many around the NBA

You mean the teams that lined up to offer max deals, you mean Tom Thibodeau, Gregg Popovich, Rick Carlisle, Kenny Atkinson, Mike Woodson and other coaches who speak extremely high of Melo. Jerry Colangelo and Coach K who make sure every 4 years Melo is wearing red, white and blue and representing our country at the biggest athletic stage in the world. You mean every team that night after night send double teams at 7 and constantly have difficulty stopping him. You mean every player that's only had positive things to say about him as a teammate?

Around the NBA? Only people with problems are George Karl and Mike D'Antoni and well you.

[Tron Carter]

Kenyon is now on FS1 [FoxSports1] speaking on the George Karl quotes about him and Carmelo.

Sone of us don't have cable, could someone provide a summary?

Thank you loves!

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kenyon going on a lil media tour himself before karl does for his book . i'm sure karl is loving the publicity though.

i find it funny how Karl mentioned Dean Smith so much. Dean was NEVER seeking attention. It was all about his players. He built relationships w/ players so much he willed them $200 each upon his passing. Dean retired as the best coach of his era w/ zero fanfare. He just left. Karl needs to reexamine his methods. Dean took all of his family business to his grave.

[ibraheim718]

Wait hold on... Didn't Boehim have some not so flattering things to say about melo just recently?

[ibraheim718]

Ok he said melo is unlikely to win a championship in his career. I thought there was more.

[IllmaticHandler]

Ok he said melo is unlikely to win a championship in his career. I thought there was more.

Boeheim talk bad about Melo? that would NEVER happen. If there is one coach that will go to war with Melo till he dies it will be him. That Championship comment was not a diss.

[nykballa2k4]

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kenyon going on a lil media tour himself before karl does for his book . i'm sure karl is loving the publicity though.

i find it funny how Karl mentioned Dean Smith so much. Dean was NEVER seeking attention. It was all about his players. He built relationships w/ players so much he willed them $200 each upon his passing. Dean retired as the best coach of his era w/ zero fanfare. He just left. Karl needs to reexamine his methods. Dean took all of his family business to his grave.

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/12/22/george-karl-fatherless-upbringings-burdened-carmelo-anthony-and-kenyon-martin-j-r-smiths-involved-father-burdened-him/

Looking at these excerpts that were meant to disparage Karl, I actually walk away from these comments with the impression Karl was talking about himself more than those players. I think Karl is talking about his worldview and how his worldview is different from the players of this generation. Did he say the nicest things in the world? certainly no. But I don't think it as malicious as I expected based on all of the media coverage. I think the conversation is valid and important to have. We all have cultural differences and at times it can be challenging, even frustrating, to over come those. Using just economics as an example:

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[ibraheim718]

I can also guarantee you on the racist thing.. that George Karl and Melo particularly have probably shared many hugs and probably shed some tears together.

Look.. when people see a player with that much talent underachieve it irks the schit out of them.

A lot of these newjacks on here don't understand. I was Melo's number 1 vocal supporter on here when we traded for him. I used to fight tooth and nail with a bunch of posters that are still on here. That's why no one can get with me in this discussion or try and trap me. I set a standard for him and if anyone cares I can post it.. he fell way short of it so I stopped supporting him because I don't like to be made a fool when it comes to sports.

[Fat Kat]

Karl wins regardless. Because unlike Phil, Karl has a financial stake in what he says. All this publicity can only be seen as good for his book sales.

Getting your name drug through the mud in the twilight of your life? That's a win? Is the man broke?

Perhaps Anthony Carter will speak at his funeral. Karl is a small, pathetic and petty man. His accomplishment is somehow sticking around for a long time. Like a stubborn rash.

[Guano]

Football hip hop??? No schit.. they're just like basketball. What's next you're going to try and convince me that Rick Rubin is a racist too?

Not at all.
Karl is the one running his mouth.

You don't get it.. he coached mostly young black men for over 30 years of his life. His fundamental hate for them because of their skin color was something he could look past in order to keep coaching them? And why didn't anyone ever in those 30 years working with young and old black men ever accuse him of being a racist before?

working with and being in a position of power are not similar. they weren't coworkers. they weren't equals. he was their supervisor. now i'm not saying george karl is racist. but you saying he can't be racist because he coached black men for 30 years is a flawed argument.

[Oscirus]

Karl wins regardless. Because unlike Phil, Karl has a financial stake in what he says. All this publicity can only be seen as good for his book sales.

Getting your name drug through the mud in the twilight of your life? That's a win? Is the man broke?

Perhaps Anthony Carter will speak at his funeral. Karl is a small, pathetic and petty man. His accomplishment is somehow sticking around for a long time. Like a stubborn rash.

His name was already in the mud. Who hates Karl now that didn't hate him beforehand? If you don't think Karl knew what he was doing when he released that book then I got a bridge to sell ya.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

George is as old school as they come and just doesn't care for what Melo stands for and neither do I or many around the NBA for that matter. The comments about him not having a father -- have those type sentiments not been shared before by hundreds/thousands of people? How many stories do you read where a coach becomes a father figure because the player didn't have a dad in his life.

Heard those stories before. Karl even talked about Dean Smith being a father figure for him.

Yet, he couldn't be bothered to speak to or get to know his players. And now he is attacking Melo and Kenyon for not having fathers? Why not instead help the young men you think need a father at the time? Plus as Kenyon pointed out, attacking them for not having fathers, is an attack on their mothers' ability to raise them.

Karl is just an over grown man child (I remember in Denver, he seemed less mature than JR at times) and is only trying to keep his name in the news and sell books.

[NYKMentality85]

I feel it spoke volumes when Kenyon came out & stated how not only did Karl not have a relationship with his players, but he wouldn't even speak to them while walking through locker rooms. Imo that's an example of a man being as stuck up, arrogant, cold hearted, calculated and egotistical as they come.

I won't sit here and accuse the man as being racist, but it's pretty evident that George did not like his players. I can read between the lines but I'd rather not get into the ways that i truly feel about why Karl didn't A.) Build relationships with players or B.) Not even acknowledge them at times within an NBA locker room. I won't play the race card but there was something (in his heart) in which prevented Karl from giving a kid without a biological father the type of fatherly love in which his player could've needed deep down inside. I can't respect a man like that. Seems pretty miserable to me.

[Fat Kat]

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[GettinitDone]

I was a Nuggets fan since Melo was drafted and became a Knicks fan because of Lin.

GK was actually a good coach when he was furious (when he was a Sonic coach) because it is congruent with his true self, he got in faces of Kemp and Payton and those guys hated him but he was pushing the right buttons, and the players respected him because he didn't try to please anyone, and they bought into him out of a common goal to win.

But his downfall is his unwillingness to work with players and especially their egos. He hated egos, despised them, and became intimidated by them. I believe it started when he was the coach of the Bucks, he was no longer into the faces of Big Dog, Ray Allen, and he pretty much shed his "furious" persona, became a compromising, smiling on the outside but intimidated/ hateful on the inside, softer version that was incongruent with his true self. He stopped being furious, but as a result he stopped being himself. It became hard to communicate on a personal or business level as a leader when you are not yourself, he became distant, cold, aloof, and hard to approach. Most days, he looked like he couldn't care less.

He also got cancer, which noone wishes on anyone, but it made him "put things into perspectives". If you're a fan of a team coached by Karl, it was hard, because as much as he was right that basketball is just a game, and cancer put things in perspectives, but it became hard when he used it night after night, year after year, as an excuse to lower the standards, and no longer had a championship as a goal. He routinely shrugged regular season games, losing crazy amount of winnable games for Nuggets teams that were supposed to improve every year to become a title contender, and often just plainly branded the games as "just a basketball game". Sure, we felt for you who had cancer, but if you felt like you should value life above all else especially basketball, then maybe you should resign and let someone else lead the team as fans everywhere have high hopes for their teams.

Karl was right on several things like Melo didn't really play D, and was actually right without exaggerating that he could be one of the best defensive players in his position because when he really wanted to play D, he was often spectacular. He only showed it against the Kobes, LeBrons, etc... but on the other hand let scrubs hit threes, and baskets in the paint. Melo's biggest problem was his body language and energy that in my opinion often looked like someone who was waken up at 3am forced to play. That said, Melo has significantly improved in the body language and energy department since he came to NY.

Karl said Melo was no leader, but he wasn't a leader himself. That's why Karl needed a strong leader personality who is willing to work with him, and who he could trust for his teams to be successful. He had it in Nate McMillan in Seattle, and Billups in Denver. When he had them taking the leadership role, he could just coach.

But KMart was right, he didn't teach D, at least in Denver. On offense, he didn't have playbooks whatsoever.

I think Karl could have been more successful in Milwaukee and Denver had he stayed furious. Much more successful. But he chose to become someone else.

[NYKinMIA]

Happy with how Melo handled this.

Even happier his boys got his back.