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PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16

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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#401 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:48 pm

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GONYK wrote:Frank had an incredible game, and Jeff did pretty much everything you want to see from him as a coach.

KP was incredible, but a lot of the credit goes to Beasley and McDermott. They perfectly helped the team counteract the Lakers doubling of KP.

Great win.


McDermott's off-ball movement is like my fourth favorite revelation of the team this season.



that kid does an excellent job of losing his man and getting open which he did like 3-4 times last night to where he was standing under the basket by himself. He seems to do that 1 or 2 times every game. His movement without the ball is the best on the team as well and his defense isn't great but the effort is there.

I think we need to show a lot of love to C.Lee for how he's been playing the SG spot since Timmy has been out and it's always on both sides of the ball when it comes to C.Lee.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#402 » by WeAreNYC » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:52 pm

I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Frank ends up as the best guard from the draft down the line. He's shown flashes that the talent is there on both ends but it's going to take some time for him to put it all together consistently. Love that he's getting some experience in the 4th & like that he's getting time w/ a 2nd playmaker to take some pressure off of him in that regard. Makes it a bit easier for him to pick his spots going between scorer & distributor.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#403 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:54 pm

WeAreNYC wrote:I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Frank ends up as the best guard from the draft down the line. He's shown flashes that the talent is there on both ends but it's going to take some time for him to put it all together consistently. Love that he's getting some experience in the 4th & like that he's getting time w/ a 2nd playmaker to take some pressure off of him in that regard. Makes it a bit easier for him to pick his spots going between scorer & distributor.


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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#404 » by K_ick_God » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:57 pm

Appreciate Magic's nice comments but I'm not seeing the ceiling with the Lakers to be honest. I actually like Ball but I think good to very good player is about where he maxes out. I don't think he's a great starter ever but you never know.

Kuzma is nice but only as a quality player who reaches his ceiling relatively early.

I'm not a major fan of Ingram's talent. You have to like his size and he can definitely play but I don't see great quickness/athleticism to go with his length, and I don't think his J has greatness in it.

I think the Lakers remain one of the least desirable rosters in the league.
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Post#405 » by mpharris36 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:00 pm

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GONYK wrote:No argument from me. Hopefully the last 2 games are the start of the transition.


thats all i want. I heard jeff in the pre-game saying that jack still will be his starter for the foreseeable future...I hope last night games starts to change his mind because we are different team when we are getting stops. We can get out in transition and get easier buckets or transition 3's which are the best shots.

We went through a stretch of facing not so great guards so Jack was able to get by but when we play the dynamic guards he will continue to get exposed on the defensive side of the ball. I think Frank has proved if you can trust him late in a game, why not let him start so he can have better minute distribution instead of forcing frank to play large consecutive chunks of minutes instead of properly distributing them.

Starting vs coming off the bench is way less important to me than overall minutes, finishing the game and time paired with KP.

We'll see how Jeff plays this, but it seems that if Frank is rolling, Jeff usually rides with him.


understood, but not starting him does two things

he doesn't play with KP for much of the 1st and 3rd qtr (he basically is only relegated to playing with KP in the 4th and as we have seen KP and Frank play really well together so you want to maximize there time together)

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he has to play sometimes 15-16 straight minutes to finish a game which is also not ideal.

I agree that overall minutes are more important than starting vs the bench. But if you start him you can let him play 7-8 minutes then rest him for 7-8 minutes then bring him back for the last 7-8 minutes...instead of playing him for 15-16 straight to end the game.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#406 » by K_ick_God » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:02 pm

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Frank's drive definitely needs work but if he keeps releasing confidently, his J is good. His passing and ability to read the D are not raw. They are fairly advanced.

Also D is not some simple thing the way he plays it -- he has an instinct for it that is rare and nuanced.

So yeah some offensive components are not a finished product or close yet, but I think raw is not quite right.

Personally I will admit that Frank is doing better than I expected at being aggressive looking for his score, while now starting to bring back the playmaking. That is good. It's more than I would have recommended asking him to do, but he is definitely adapting. I expect some tentative moments, all rookies have them, but I admit that at least last night, he seemed able to be a scorer without it taking apart the rest of his game. Tentative play is part of being a rookie but that doesn't make you raw necessarily. I think Fox is more raw.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#407 » by mpharris36 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:02 pm

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WeAreNYC wrote:I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Frank ends up as the best guard from the draft down the line. He's shown flashes that the talent is there on both ends but it's going to take some time for him to put it all together consistently. Love that he's getting some experience in the 4th & like that he's getting time w/ a 2nd playmaker to take some pressure off of him in that regard. Makes it a bit easier for him to pick his spots going between scorer & distributor.


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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#408 » by Dr. Detfink » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:02 pm


Let this game officially drive the final nail in the coffin of Knick Civil War in his forum. Porzingis had a great game. Kept the Knicks in it to win it. That's all you can hope for out of your best player.

The Knicks won, making their record 3-1 w/o Tim Hardaway Jr. No, I am not pointing that out to be a Hardaway Jr hater but rather to point out to ESPN Jemele Hill, the female version of Chris Broussard, who pretends she's not from Detroit...and Rachel Nichols, a sexy red head of evil...that YES, the Knicks are still playoff contenders without a US baller being one of the main contributors.

Let this game further cement who the main horse pulling the wagon is, Porzingis...the guy Knick fans BOOED on draft day preferring: SF Justise Winslow aka Justine Bateman, Point Guard Mudiay or "Mud in your eye" who is one step from returning to China, Point Guard D'Angelo Russell and Center Jahil Okafor neither of which have played much this season...and yes, I will own that I thought Okafor would have been a safer pick for the Knicks IF he was available (cause we knew Towns was going #1).

As for the Lakers, I said it before and I'll say it again, Kuzma is the BEST player on that team. He is DEADLY. Understands his role, takes his minutes and ALWAYS makes his performance memorable.

Lonzo Ball has NO JUMP SHOT. He's just ugly to watch when he's trying to score. Jarret Jack had every opportunity to play him a like a Patrick Beverley prostate massager but DIDN'T....why?!?!?!
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#409 » by Oscirus » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:08 pm

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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#410 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:16 pm

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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#411 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:29 pm

Serious Question: Does KP play better with or without hookers and blow?
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#412 » by F N 11 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:35 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:Serious Question: Does KP play better with or without hookers and blow?

lmao. Was definitely blowing his nose before the game.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#413 » by F N 11 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:38 pm

Red Vines wrote:On paper doesn't look like a big win but it felt like a statement game by a young team, that they're not going to be thrown in with the trash of Knicks past. It wasn't the crowd this time rallying the players, it was all the players.

Definitely good to see them cheering on Beasley for his fine play. We need guys to step up consistently to win on the road.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#414 » by F N 11 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:40 pm

IM sorry but Jack's defense gets team comfortable. Its not rocket science that KP and Frank just blows MF's out. Defense too good.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#415 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:42 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:
WeAreNYC wrote:I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Frank ends up as the best guard from the draft down the line. He's shown flashes that the talent is there on both ends but it's going to take some time for him to put it all together consistently. Love that he's getting some experience in the 4th & like that he's getting time w/ a 2nd playmaker to take some pressure off of him in that regard. Makes it a bit easier for him to pick his spots going between scorer & distributor.


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we lookin for young talent. not 35 year olds :lol:
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#416 » by Lord Commander » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:59 pm

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we lookin for young talent. not 35 year olds :lol:


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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank - Remi Keys pg 16 

Post#417 » by Orange Mamba » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:02 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
WeAreNYC wrote:I definitely wouldn't be surprised if Frank ends up as the best guard from the draft down the line. He's shown flashes that the talent is there on both ends but it's going to take some time for him to put it all together consistently. Love that he's getting some experience in the 4th & like that he's getting time w/ a 2nd playmaker to take some pressure off of him in that regard. Makes it a bit easier for him to pick his spots going between scorer & distributor.


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He fits the criteria of Euro as well
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#418 » by newyorker4ever » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:16 pm

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C.Lee looking at him crazy like he can't believe he would even think about doing that down by 3.
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C.Lee looking at him crazy like he can't believe he would even think about doing that down by 3.

KP got so much respect for the game he didnt want to show them up by hitting free throws. I would still try to hit them though.
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Re: PG: Lakers vs. Frank 

Post#420 » by GONYK » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:19 pm

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C.Lee looking at him crazy like he can't believe he would even think about doing that down by 3.


I think he's asking if he should leave Stelter alone or not.

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