OT: Democratic Primary Thread

[DOT]

Clyde doesn't strike me as a Biden supporter at all. More like, "oh well, enough of the country didn't take to the progressive we need in Sanders, so vote for Biden over Trump, after the primaries are over"

I guess if other progressives want to stay home, not vote, and get some more Trump in their diet, well, they might get that opportunity as well.

Personally, I can't stand the Rockefeller Republican Democratic Party of the last 30 years, but I'd go with it this year over the alternative

I mean, that's how I feel

Issue is people like him drank up the propaganda that Biden's the only one who can beat Trump, and he's a full on zealot to that idea. Biden wants to drift right? Great idea, we need to pick up those Republicans who aren't gonna vote for us anyways. Biden want another moderate VP? Amazing, brilliant move

I wanted Warren, cause she was my compromise with the moderates. Clyde is like a Dem homer, whoever they put up he's gonna be 100% behind

I never got that from his posts about Biden. More like a "welp, might as well vote for him since it appears Bernie doesn't have enough support"

Neither does Warren.

All it took was some Pocahontas noise from Trump
I'd have gone for a Warren/Bernie or Bernie/Warren ticket, but that's not the case, for whatever and various reasons

I believe that most of the voters have sorted themselves into their ideological corners, so any candidate that the democrats put up should be one that excites those voters, as I think the crossovers are slim

The question is, and it's debated fiercely among EXPERTS, is if the amount of "excited voters" outstrips the amount of "independents/crossover voters"

I "think" not many people cross over/are independent anymore, but then again, I've read plenty of good arguments they still do, and the margins of victory/defeat are slim, and center around not traditionally progressive states, right - Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania - or I think that's the line of thought.

Biden was my last choice, but I'll vote for him.

If progressives stay home, 4 more years of Trump is a hell of a way to prove a point.

I'd rather get Biden in and let age/death/demographics boost progressive chances in the future.

Maybe Clyde is like that, I just can't get over how much it always seems like he's patronizing anyone who doesn't fall in line and enthusiastically support whatever Dem leadership demands

My philosophy is, if you could unite the moderates and the progressives, they far outnumber the Republicans. Republicans don't have an extremely large base, and they only win when turnout is depressed. So if you get both sides of the Democrats to show up, it's a landslide, which is what we saw in 2008. Plus, the independent voters aren't just people in between Dems and Republicans, a lot of them are too liberal for the Dems, like most of the progressives I know are (or were until this year) registered independent

And that's why I don't like Joe "If you don't like me, vote for Trump" Biden. Cause he's not uniting the party, he's doing the same thing Clinton did. Tell progressives they have to vote for them cause the other option is worse, and give them little to no concessions

To be fair, that's a problem Bernie has too. He's extremely inflammatory in his speech, and his ideas of "burn the motherf*cker down" don't appeal to moderates in the slightest. Which is why I wanted a compromise candidate, but we can't get that

I think a wet paper bag would win against Trump at this rate. My problem is with what comes after, which is why I've been saying Biden needs a progressive VP to run in 2024. Dems keep putting up candidates like every Republican is W or Trump, and all they have to do is be the "reasonable" one. Moderates are pitching Biden as the "long term, slow gradual change" candidate, but we can't get long term change if we lose the presidency every other cycle cause the Dems cater to the "moderate" Republicans who only vote blue when the red candidate is noticeably the worst choice.

[Pointgod]

"And I will give you nothing you want"

You ever thought the reason you have to keep reminding progressives you're on the same side as them is cause your actions don't make it seem like you are?

But you hear me though. I ask for Biden to choose a more progressive VP and to not swing right in the general, and I'm told to shut up and vote for him anyways, we need to appeal to the Republicans. My vote doesn't matter as much as theirs, but if I don't vote for Biden, I'm the worst

If moderates were willing to work with progressives, we could see actual, long term change. But they're not. They're perfectly comfortable with losing the presidency every other cycle, then forcing the progressives to vote for them cause they have no other choice instead of actually listening to them and making them feel like part of the party. Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez said that Biden and her shouldn't be in the same party, and she's right. But we have to be cause we have no other choice due to a broken system, and you're fine with taking advantage of that, then blaming progressives when your candidate loses

Get off your high horse.

This is what I don’t understand about this line of thinking. How does who Biden name as VP influence whether or not you support him? Other than Bernie or Elizabeth Warren who would both be poor picks for different reasons, who would be Progressive enough for you to support Biden? Stacy Abrams is Progressive, so is Cory Booker, Julian Castro? All of them would be Progressive on certain policy issues. But the reality is that no matter who Biden chooses for VP there will be sections of the Democratic Party that will feel left out. No matter who the VP pick is it’s a fact that Biden would be running on the most Progressive platform of any candidate. More Progressive than Hillary and even Obama. It may not go far enough for some people but the President isn’t a monarch, Congress and the Senate can put forward more Progressive legislation.

What’s also a fact is that 4 more years of Trump means that not only Progressives get none of what they want, they actually move backwards and when Trump assigns more Conservative judges to the Supreme Court you’ll get Progressives will get nothing for literally decades. For example if Trump succeeds in getting rid of Obamacare, the next Democratic candidate isn’t going to implement Medicareforall, they’re going to have to figure out a way to stabilize healthcare system that will be absolute in shambles and absolute chaos.

Because who Biden's VP is will be set up as a top tier candidate for 2024 cause Biden only wants one term. Plus, if it's as you say no big deal, then it shouldn't matter to you, so why not make them be progressive? It's simply a show of trying to unify the party instead of "suck it, I won, get in line"

And again, how do you not see the issue in playing the "well you have to vote for my candidate cause there's no other options" card? I have no choice but to vote for Biden because of all the stuff you mentioned, and you're holding my vote hostage. And you see no issue with that, in fact, you seem almost happy to do so. Then when Biden drifts right in the general (as every Dem candidate does), I'll be told again to shut up and fall in line cause the alternative is worse

And you wonder why progressives aren't enthusiastic about candidates like Biden

Okay I can see your perspective but which VP candidate other than Bernie or Warren is sufficiently Progressive enough in your view? I think even if Biden is a one term President there should be a competitive Primary for the next nominee just like we’ve had this year.

Rallying behind the Democratic candidate is not holding a vote hostage what are you talking about. Biden is leading in delegates and he’s leading in the popular vote. Bernie had his chance and chose a path that wasn’t successful. What’s wrong with rallying actual Democrats around the Democratic nominee? I’d be saying the same thing if Bernie was the nominee. What’s true is that Bernie supporters do not make up the majority of the Democratic voters, so I don’t see what’s wrong with supporting will of the Democratic voting base. Down ballot races are more influential in moving actual policy so staying at home doesn’t move Progressive causes forward either.

[DOT]

Okay I can see your perspective but which VP candidate other than Bernie or Warren is sufficiently Progressive enough in your view? I think even if Biden is a one term President there should be a competitive Primary for the next nominee just like we’ve had this year.

Rallying behind the Democratic candidate is not holding a vote hostage what are you talking about. Biden is leading in delegates and he’s leading in the popular vote. Bernie had his chance and chose a path that wasn’t successful. What’s wrong with rallying actual Democrats around the Democratic nominee? I’d be saying the same thing if Bernie was the nominee. What’s true is that Bernie supporters do not make up the majority of the Democratic voters, so I don’t see what’s wrong with supporting will of the Democratic voting base. Down ballot races are more influential in moving actual policy so staying at home doesn’t move Progressive causes forward either.

Right, it's not guaranteed that the VP becomes the president, but it would give them a leg up. It's less about policy, as you've pointed out, the VP does next to nothing in terms of decision making, but about a show of unity to the progressives, an olive branch if you will. A lot of us, like myself, fear Biden trying to go to the right once he gets the nod and it's time for the general, so he appeals to the "moderate" Republicans. I think we're set up better if he consolidates his own base instead of taking progressives for granted and trying to pick up people on our right

And the will of the base is, to beat Trump. Medicare for All is extremely popular among the base, yet Biden has said that if by some miracle it passes Congress, he'll veto it. As an example of Biden's policies aren't strictly in line with the voting base. Biden still doesn't even have 50% of the vote, though he'll get the most and likely a majority, the fact of the matter remains that at least 40% and likely nearly 50% of Dem voters did not want Biden. So you can say that Biden supporters do not make up the majority of Dem voters at this point either, so why do I have to fall in line with them?

This mentality of "this person is leading in votes, so we have to follow them no matter what" I don't think is right. Especially when Biden and the moderates act like they're entitled to our votes. The winner should rally the people who voted against them, they shouldn't tell them to just suck it up and vote for them cause the other option is worse. You're putting the onus squarely on the people who didn't vote for Biden to fall in line instead of putting the onus on Biden to reach out to those people and bring them into the fold.

[HarthorneWingo]

I’m going to say this and you’re not going to like it if you’re an establishment Democrat but this race isn’t over. I don’t believe Biden has it together to make this run. Bernie should hold on and take this to the Convention. After all, that’s what the rest of the field said after Bernie won Iowa, NH, and Nevada. They said that they would “follow the rules that are in place.” Now the shoe is on the other foot. The worm has turned. Haha

[Clyde_Style]

I mean, that's how I feel

Issue is people like him drank up the propaganda that Biden's the only one who can beat Trump, and he's a full on zealot to that idea. Biden wants to drift right? Great idea, we need to pick up those Republicans who aren't gonna vote for us anyways. Biden want another moderate VP? Amazing, brilliant move

I wanted Warren, cause she was my compromise with the moderates. Clyde is like a Dem homer, whoever they put up he's gonna be 100% behind

I never got that from his posts about Biden. More like a "welp, might as well vote for him since it appears Bernie doesn't have enough support"

Neither does Warren.

All it took was some Pocahontas noise from Trump
I'd have gone for a Warren/Bernie or Bernie/Warren ticket, but that's not the case, for whatever and various reasons

I believe that most of the voters have sorted themselves into their ideological corners, so any candidate that the democrats put up should be one that excites those voters, as I think the crossovers are slim

The question is, and it's debated fiercely among EXPERTS, is if the amount of "excited voters" outstrips the amount of "independents/crossover voters"

I "think" not many people cross over/are independent anymore, but then again, I've read plenty of good arguments they still do, and the margins of victory/defeat are slim, and center around not traditionally progressive states, right - Michigan/Ohio/Pennsylvania - or I think that's the line of thought.

Biden was my last choice, but I'll vote for him.

If progressives stay home, 4 more years of Trump is a hell of a way to prove a point.

I'd rather get Biden in and let age/death/demographics boost progressive chances in the future.

Maybe Clyde is like that, I just can't get over how much it always seems like he's patronizing anyone who doesn't fall in line and enthusiastically support whatever Dem leadership demands

My philosophy is, if you could unite the moderates and the progressives, they far outnumber the Republicans. Republicans don't have an extremely large base, and they only win when turnout is depressed. So if you get both sides of the Democrats to show up, it's a landslide, which is what we saw in 2008. Plus, the independent voters aren't just people in between Dems and Republicans, a lot of them are too liberal for the Dems, like most of the progressives I know are (or were until this year) registered independent

And that's why I don't like Joe "If you don't like me, vote for Trump" Biden. Cause he's not uniting the party, he's doing the same thing Clinton did. Tell progressives they have to vote for them cause the other option is worse, and give them little to no concessions

To be fair, that's a problem Bernie has too. He's extremely inflammatory in his speech, and his ideas of "burn the motherf*cker down" don't appeal to moderates in the slightest. Which is why I wanted a compromise candidate, but we can't get that

I think a wet paper bag would win against Trump at this rate. My problem is with what comes after, which is why I've been saying Biden needs a progressive VP to run in 2024. Dems keep putting up candidates like every Republican is W or Trump, and all they have to do is be the "reasonable" one. Moderates are pitching Biden as the "long term, slow gradual change" candidate, but we can't get long term change if we lose the presidency every other cycle cause the Dems cater to the "moderate" Republicans who only vote blue when the red candidate is noticeably the worst choice.

I don't care about conscripting your enthusiasm. I don't have poms poms for Biden. I don't even like him that much. You're making up false narratives about me.

It is basic logic to me. You lose, you lose EVERYTHING, so the a priori choice is we have to back the nominee, whomever it is, in order to ever have a chance at pushing any kind of progressive agenda.

That is not me shutting out ideas, it is me saying there is one choice now, then options later. I'm not beating the drums for the DNC or Biden or any of the other candidates I didn't want. I'll vote for Bernie or Biden. It is still the same choice for me, because I already voted and will support whomever we voted for collectively in the primary.

You can stop painting me as an apologist or a moderate. I'm a pragmatist and I've been urging all of us to put aside our agendas and support the nominee, that is all.

I do not think Bernie can win the nomination and I think his best opportunity for leverage is now, not later. I couldn't have more clear about this and why I think it helps Bernie supporters more to push their agenda into the platform now, than later. But I am not saying Bernie is a traitor if he stays in the race if that is what you want. I merely think it will be ineffective to get as much as possible that is progressive out of the DNC which is what I want. I want the best platform and to beat Trump.

That you may think Bernie staying in is the way to accomplish that is your prerogative, but I don't need to flamed for thinking about it strategically in ways you do not. That I did see Biden as having a better chance at beating Trump does not make me pro-Biden or anti-Bernie. I think the stark differences between parties now is so vast that winning to me is paramount. Maybe Bernie would win too and I'd be fine with that, but I don't think he will be the nominee so I see no point in litigating it any further.

My message last night was this is a historical moment that will determine whether we fall irreversibly into fascist, non-democratic rule or not. That requires us to stick together. I want you at the table. Stop flaming me for saying it my way. I'm respecting your desire to march on in the primaries if you so desire.

[robillionaire]

From my perspective I would say we are witnessing the final collapse of a dying empire and we now know that new deal reforms aren’t coming to prolong it this time. The fall was already coming, but this virus will accelerate the contradictions and put this failed system under enough stress to where it will soon become apparent to all. We are now on the brink of a 2nd Great Depression and poverty will cripple the lives of most citizens if it hasn’t already. Environmental disasters will ramp up. There will be no “return to normalcy” (maga for neoliberals) regardless of the election results. Things will become increasingly totalitarian as the system continues to rot and the illusion of democracy fades away into ethno-nationalism and christofascism as the dominant ideology. Trump was not an anomaly or a product of foreign interference but a symptom of late stage capitalism-imperialism in decay and rest assured as we continue to kick the can down the road and more and more people turn to right-wing populism worse versions are certainly coming. It ultimately will not matter who wins this election because the trajectory is set. Where do we go from here? Good question but I believe we need mass civil disobedience, general strikes, yellow vest style protests etc. and even then it’s going to be an uphill battle. Y’all probably will laugh or dismiss this and that’s understandable because people have been in a comfort zone for a long time and it’s hard to imagine, but that’s how this situation appears to me.

[Clyde_Style]

I don't want to see an America five years from now where women have lost all of their reproductive rights, there are a thousand Flint, Michigans, automatic weapons are proliferating, evangelicals dictate policy, alternative energy is left for dead, the supreme court is a Trumpocracy for the rest of our lifetimes protecting every corrupt action of rogue presidents and dozens of other events that will transpire if the GOP remains in power. We will never recover from that. And that's what will happen if we don't vote for the Democrats in November.

[Clyde_Style]

From my perspective I would say we are witnessing the final collapse of a dying empire and we now know that new deal reforms aren’t coming to prolong it this time. The fall was already coming, but this virus will accelerate the contradictions and put this failed system under enough stress to where it will soon become apparent to all. We are now on the brink of a 2nd Great Depression and poverty will cripple the lives of most citizens if it hasn’t already. Environmental disasters will ramp up. There will be no “return to normalcy” (maga for neoliberals) regardless of the election results. Things will become increasingly totalitarian as the system continues to rot and the illusion of democracy fades away into ethno-nationalism and christofascism as the dominant ideology. Trump was not an anomaly or a product of foreign interference but a symptom of late stage capitalism-imperialism in decay and rest assured as we continue to kick the can down the road and more and more people turn to right-wing populism worse versions are certainly coming. It ultimately will not matter who wins this election because the trajectory is set. Where do we go from here? Good question but I believe we need mass civil disobedience, general strikes, yellow vest style protests etc. and even then it’s going to be an uphill battle. Y’all probably will laugh or dismiss this and that’s understandable because people have been in a comfort zone for a long time and it’s hard to imagine, but that’s how this situation appears to me.

The virus is dangerous because it can be used like 9/11 was to install the surveillance state. This outbreak can be used to strip us of the right to congregate in public and attempt to control public protest, but I agree that even that will not work and people will go to the streets. I've marched in the past and I will again. My fear though is it may not just be anarchy against the state this time, but each other. People are snapping at each other and there are too many weapons in circulation for it to not go completely sideways at some point. All of which will create even further justifications for clampdowns.

[DOT]

I don't care about conscripting your enthusiasm. I don't have poms poms for Biden. I don't even like him that much. You're making up false narratives about me.

It is basic logic to me. You lose, you lose EVERYTHING, so the a priori choice is we have to back the nominee, whomever it is, in order to ever have a chance at pushing any kind of progressive agenda.

That is not me shutting out ideas, it is me saying there is one choice now, then options later. I'm not beating the drums for the DNC or Biden or any of the other candidates I didn't want. I'll vote for Bernie or Biden. It is still the same choice for me, because I already voted and will support whomever we voted for collectively in the primary.

You can stop painting me as an apologist or a moderate. I'm a pragmatist and I've been urging all of us to put aside our agendas and support the nominee, that is all.

I do not think Bernie can win the nomination and I think his best opportunity for leverage is now, not later. I couldn't have more clear about this and why I think it helps Bernie supporters more to push their agenda into the platform now, than later. But I am not saying Bernie is a traitor if he stays in the race if that is what you want. I merely think it will be ineffective to get as much as possible that is progressive out of the DNC which is what I want. I want the best platform and to beat Trump.

That you may think Bernie staying in is the way to accomplish that is your prerogative, but I don't need to flamed for thinking about it strategically in ways you do not. That I did see Biden as having a better chance at beating Trump does not make me pro-Biden or anti-Bernie. I think the stark differences between parties now is so vast that winning to me is paramount. Maybe Bernie would win too and I'd be fine with that, but I don't think he will be the nominee so I see no point in litigating it any further.

My message last night was this is a historical moment that will determine whether we fall irreversibly into fascist, non-democratic rule or not. That requires us to stick together. I want you at the table. Stop flaming me for saying it my way. I'm respecting your desire to march on in the primaries if you so desire.

Since when have I been talking about Bernie staying in the primaries? Is that what you think I'm arguing for?

This is why I said you talk about "I hear you" but you really don't. You just seem like you're getting on your soapbox and grandstanding

I'm talking about what Biden and the DNC have to do to build sustained success, cause I've conceded the primary. I'm talking about Biden reaching out to the progressive base and working with them to build a coalition that'll win in 4 years, 8 years, however long it takes so that your slow change can take place instead of putting up bland moderates that only win once every other cycle

But instead of that, you're patronizing me with, "It's okay if you want your guy to stay in the primaries, I don't call you a traitor for that." You've completely missed the point of everything caused you're so focused on one thing that you can't see the forest for the trees. You say you want me at the table, but you're still not actually listening to what I'm saying

[Knickfan1982]

You ever thought the reason you have to keep reminding progressives you're on the same side as them is cause your actions don't make it seem like you are?

Ding Ding Ding!!!! We have a winner.

[Clyde_Style]

I don't care about conscripting your enthusiasm. I don't have poms poms for Biden. I don't even like him that much. You're making up false narratives about me.

It is basic logic to me. You lose, you lose EVERYTHING, so the a priori choice is we have to back the nominee, whomever it is, in order to ever have a chance at pushing any kind of progressive agenda.

That is not me shutting out ideas, it is me saying there is one choice now, then options later. I'm not beating the drums for the DNC or Biden or any of the other candidates I didn't want. I'll vote for Bernie or Biden. It is still the same choice for me, because I already voted and will support whomever we voted for collectively in the primary.

You can stop painting me as an apologist or a moderate. I'm a pragmatist and I've been urging all of us to put aside our agendas and support the nominee, that is all.

I do not think Bernie can win the nomination and I think his best opportunity for leverage is now, not later. I couldn't have more clear about this and why I think it helps Bernie supporters more to push their agenda into the platform now, than later. But I am not saying Bernie is a traitor if he stays in the race if that is what you want. I merely think it will be ineffective to get as much as possible that is progressive out of the DNC which is what I want. I want the best platform and to beat Trump.

That you may think Bernie staying in is the way to accomplish that is your prerogative, but I don't need to flamed for thinking about it strategically in ways you do not. That I did see Biden as having a better chance at beating Trump does not make me pro-Biden or anti-Bernie. I think the stark differences between parties now is so vast that winning to me is paramount. Maybe Bernie would win too and I'd be fine with that, but I don't think he will be the nominee so I see no point in litigating it any further.

My message last night was this is a historical moment that will determine whether we fall irreversibly into fascist, non-democratic rule or not. That requires us to stick together. I want you at the table. Stop flaming me for saying it my way. I'm respecting your desire to march on in the primaries if you so desire.

Since when have I been talking about Bernie staying in the primaries? Is that what you think I'm arguing for?

This is why I said you talk about "I hear you" but you really don't. You just seem like you're getting on your soapbox and grandstanding

I'm talking about what Biden and the DNC have to do to build sustained success, cause I've conceded the primary. I'm talking about Biden reaching out to the progressive base and working with them to build a coalition that'll win in 4 years, 8 years, however long it takes so that your slow change can take place instead of putting up bland moderates that only win once every other cycle

But instead of that, you're patronizing me with, "It's okay if you want your guy to stay in the primaries, I don't call you a traitor for that." You've completely missed the point of everything caused you're so focused on one thing that you can't see the forest for the trees. You say you want me at the table, but you're still not actually listening to what I'm saying

There were plenty of voices in this thread suggesting a vote for the nominee was still up in the air, because they felt they were locked out of the process. That's who I was talking to. I'm not looking to provoke you or anyone else. My focus is admittedly on the top level priority of this historical moment. That I don't care about debating policy means does not mean I disregard your policy concerns. It means I fully focused on urging all who are on the fence to not let the bad guys win, that's it. Stop parsing that as an agenda that minimizes your other areas of focus, because that is false You don't need to berate me for that any longer, so let's disengage at this point. Thanks. I will step away now. I contributed what I had to say and I feel fairly abused in this thread at this point and I don't want to continue. Take care

[HarthorneWingo]

Regardless of your position on anything, try and tell me this isn't heartbreaking. I know Joe wants to keep a promise he made to Beau while he was on his deathbed, but this is not right or good for anyone.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Do not pass the retirement home. Do not collect $200. Go to jail!

Yang admits that Biden bribed him with a Cabinet post in exchange for his endorsement. Yep, Biden is so much better than Trump. Yeah okay. Biden is like Trump’s Democratic doppelgänger.

Watch on YouTube

[HarthorneWingo]

Leadership

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[Pointgod]

Okay I can see your perspective but which VP candidate other than Bernie or Warren is sufficiently Progressive enough in your view? I think even if Biden is a one term President there should be a competitive Primary for the next nominee just like we’ve had this year.

Rallying behind the Democratic candidate is not holding a vote hostage what are you talking about. Biden is leading in delegates and he’s leading in the popular vote. Bernie had his chance and chose a path that wasn’t successful. What’s wrong with rallying actual Democrats around the Democratic nominee? I’d be saying the same thing if Bernie was the nominee. What’s true is that Bernie supporters do not make up the majority of the Democratic voters, so I don’t see what’s wrong with supporting will of the Democratic voting base. Down ballot races are more influential in moving actual policy so staying at home doesn’t move Progressive causes forward either.

Right, it's not guaranteed that the VP becomes the president, but it would give them a leg up. It's less about policy, as you've pointed out, the VP does next to nothing in terms of decision making, but about a show of unity to the progressives, an olive branch if you will. A lot of us, like myself, fear Biden trying to go to the right once he gets the nod and it's time for the general, so he appeals to the "moderate" Republicans. I think we're set up better if he consolidates his own base instead of taking progressives for granted and trying to pick up people on our right

And the will of the base is, to beat Trump. Medicare for All is extremely popular among the base, yet Biden has said that if by some miracle it passes Congress, he'll veto it. As an example of Biden's policies aren't strictly in line with the voting base. Biden still doesn't even have 50% of the vote, though he'll get the most and likely a majority, the fact of the matter remains that at least 40% and likely nearly 50% of Dem voters did not want Biden. So you can say that Biden supporters do not make up the majority of Dem voters at this point either, so why do I have to fall in line with them?

This mentality of "this person is leading in votes, so we have to follow them no matter what" I don't think is right. Especially when Biden and the moderates act like they're entitled to our votes. The winner should rally the people who voted against them, they shouldn't tell them to just suck it up and vote for them cause the other option is worse. You're putting the onus squarely on the people who didn't vote for Biden to fall in line instead of putting the onus on Biden to reach out to those people and bring them into the fold.

I don’t see how Biden has taken Progressives for granted. There’s still a race going and even in his Super Tuesday victory speeches he’s gone out of his way to reach out to Bernie supporters. Once the primary is over he’ll adopt some policies just like Hillary did in 2016. I think he should assign Elizabeth Warren to write all his policies as a way to reach Progressives but also show he’s serious about policy.

That quote from Biden about Medicare for all doesn’t tell the whole context. What he said has been consistent with his stance about continuing and expanding Obamacare. There’s been a lot of misinformation about Biden from Bernie surrogates (the talk of him being having dementia or being in cognitive decline sure stopped after he held his own in the last debate). Now it’s Biden’s hiding I’d double check any sources and doubt anything that coming from twitter.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/10/facebook-posts/when-biden-was-asked-if-he-would-veto-medicare-all/

Here’s what O’Donnell asked Biden: "Let’s flash forward — you are president. Bernie Sanders is still active in the Senate. He manages to get Medicare for All through the Senate in some compromise version, the Elizabeth Warren version or other version. Nancy Pelosi gets a version of it through the House of Representatives. It comes to your desk. Do you veto it?"

"I would veto anything that delays providing the security and the certainty of health care being available now," Biden said.

"If they got that through by some miracle, there was an epiphany that occurred, and some miracle occurred that said okay, it passed, then you got to look at the costs. I want to know, how do they find the $35 trillion? What is that doing? Is it going to significantly raise taxes on the middle class, which it will. What’s going to happen?"

He went on to explain his current position against the legislation.

"Look, my opposition isn’t to the principle that you should have Medicare. Health care should be a right in America. My opposition relates to whether or not a) it’s doable, 2) what the cost is and what consequences for the rest of budget are. How are you going to find $35 trillion over the next 10 years without having profound impacts on everything from taxes for middle class and working class people as well as the impact on the rest of the budget?"

The reason to support the Democratic nominee is that no one gets what they want when Republicans are in power. You think black people are always 100% happy with the nominee? You think women are always happy? There’s always trade offs that you have to make but Republicans are an existential threat to America and Democracy and there probably won’t be a country left after 4 more years of Trump.

[Pointgod]

I’m going to say this and you’re not going to like it if you’re an establishment Democrat but this race isn’t over. I don’t believe Biden has it together to make this run. Bernie should hold on and take this to the Convention. After all, that’s what the rest of the field said after Bernie won Iowa, NH, and Nevada. They said that they would “follow the rules that are in place.” Now the shoe is on the other foot. The worm has turned. Haha

The race is literally over. Bernie has zero chance of getting a plurality of amassing the delegates needed to win the nomination. The math and remaining states does not bode well for him to get the majority. I’m pretty sure Bernie is the same guy that said that whoever is leading the majority of delegates should get the nomination (of course this was when he was leading)

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/11/bernie-sanders-primaries-takeaways-125390

But the nearly insurmountable odds now confronting Sanders became obvious the minute the first states were called. Following Biden’s win in Mississippi, the primary crossed a threshold: Sanders would have to win more than 55 percent of delegates still on the board to secure a delegate majority.

That would be difficult under normal circumstances. But the landscape only gets more hostile to Sanders over the next two weeks. In Florida, the largest state voting next week, polls have Biden clobbering Sanders. Georgia, where Clinton drubbed Sanders four years ago — and where Biden is expected to do the same — holds its primary the following week.

Keep in mind this article was written before last Tuesday’s Primaries where Sanders also lost. Sanders should drop out because the party needs to starting building support around the nominee and also states need to start critically thinking about how to hold their primaries in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic.

[Pointgod]

From my perspective I would say we are witnessing the final collapse of a dying empire and we now know that new deal reforms aren’t coming to prolong it this time. The fall was already coming, but this virus will accelerate the contradictions and put this failed system under enough stress to where it will soon become apparent to all. We are now on the brink of a 2nd Great Depression and poverty will cripple the lives of most citizens if it hasn’t already. Environmental disasters will ramp up. There will be no “return to normalcy” (maga for neoliberals) regardless of the election results. Things will become increasingly totalitarian as the system continues to rot and the illusion of democracy fades away into ethno-nationalism and christofascism as the dominant ideology. Trump was not an anomaly or a product of foreign interference but a symptom of late stage capitalism-imperialism in decay and rest assured as we continue to kick the can down the road and more and more people turn to right-wing populism worse versions are certainly coming. It ultimately will not matter who wins this election because the trajectory is set. Where do we go from here? Good question but I believe we need mass civil disobedience, general strikes, yellow vest style protests etc. and even then it’s going to be an uphill battle. Y’all probably will laugh or dismiss this and that’s understandable because people have been in a comfort zone for a long time and it’s hard to imagine, but that’s how this situation appears to me.

The virus is dangerous because it can be used like 9/11 was to install the surveillance state. This outbreak can be used to strip us of the right to congregate in public and attempt to control public protest, but I agree that even that will not work and people will go to the streets. I've marched in the past and I will again. My fear though is it may not just be anarchy against the state this time, but each other. People are snapping at each other and there are too many weapons in circulation for it to not go completely sideways at some point. All of which will create even further justifications for clampdowns.

And so it begins

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https://www.theroot.com/the-doj-appears-to-be-using-coronavirus-to-get-around-o-1842445449

[GONYK]

Do not pass the retirement home. Do not collect $200. Go to jail!

Yang admits that Biden bribed him with a Cabinet post in exchange for his endorsement. Yep, Biden is so much better than Trump. Yeah okay. Biden is like Trump’s Democratic doppelgänger.

Watch on YouTube

That's literally how every endorsement works.

That's not a bribe. Everything in politics is transactional.

[HarthorneWingo]

Do not pass the retirement home. Do not collect $200. Go to jail!

Yang admits that Biden bribed him with a Cabinet post in exchange for his endorsement. Yep, Biden is so much better than Trump. Yeah okay. Biden is like Trump’s Democratic doppelgänger.

Watch on YouTube

That's literally how every endorsement works.

That's not a bribe. Everything in politics is transactional.

So you’re okay with the quid pro quo?

[GONYK]

Do not pass the retirement home. Do not collect $200. Go to jail!

Yang admits that Biden bribed him with a Cabinet post in exchange for his endorsement. Yep, Biden is so much better than Trump. Yeah okay. Biden is like Trump’s Democratic doppelgänger.

Watch on YouTube

That's literally how every endorsement works.

That's not a bribe. Everything in politics is transactional.

So you’re okay with the quid pro quo?

Yes?

I hope if/when Warren and Bernie endorse they are promised influential positions as well. Having a bunch of supporters only means something if you can cash it in for influence.

You don't think Bernie promised AOC something special? She's just hitting the road out of nothing but a shared purpose and the kindness of her heart?