2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 5) -LOTTO 8/25 DRAFT 10/15!

[newyorker4ever]

Okongwu is super overrated. He has potential to be solid like Richaun Holmes but he's nothing special

Holmes put up identical numbers in college and their game style is identical. Holmes has been very solid especially in Sacramento but he's nothing special. OO is the same way, he's not skilled he's just a rim running big who does the dirty work. I'm not sure what else you see in him

Their games aren't identical. I think people get too carried away with comparing every single player anyone talks about for the Knicks on here to another present or former player and deciding that the young kid, that hasn't even made it to the NBA yet, will have the same career as that player they're comparing him to, which is actually pretty ridiculous. I get the fun in playing the comparison game and i get in them sometimes myself but to actually believe that because you see the comparison in the two that that's exactly how the young kid who's never played in the NBA's game will be is just too much. It's actually way too much.

[newyorker4ever]

Holmes put up identical numbers in college and their game style is identical. Holmes has been very solid especially in Sacramento but he's nothing special. OO is the same way, he's not skilled he's just a rim running big who does the dirty work. I'm not sure what else you see in him

it took his junior year at bowling green to put up Okungwu's freshman stats at a real college.

Holmes put up similar numbers as a sophomore and he was even shooting outside shots. OO has a broken jumper that looks like this

Watch on YouTube

One of the worst decision makers with the ball, dude looks lost trying to make plays. Absolutely terrible. No NBA team is going to depend on this dude to make anything happen with the ball in his hands, they will instruct him to set screens and finish under the basket. No playmaking or outside shooting at all whatsoever. He also has ways to go defensively, he jumps at every pump fake and looks unbalanced on his reactions. Dude is going to be baited into so many fouls he wont be able to stay on the floor for many minutes. Kid is a raw project

You seem to be overlooking the fact that players do get better as they grow into young men and grown men and that many just get better because the way the NBA game is played is more suited to the way they like to play. We also don't know if these kids were asked to do certain things or play a certain way by their college coaches. To try to predict what a player will be in the NBA and be right about it would mean you could be the best GM the NBA has ever seen cause there hasn't been one yet that can do that.

[newyorker4ever]

Damn. This draft is starting to feel like 2008, when people though Joe Alexander might turn out to be good.

this just isn't a great draft class

I started months ago super down on Wiseman, up on Edwards.


Now I'm circling back.

Wiseman is probably the #1 player in the draft, im now down on Haliburton (bc he might not be a 35mpg player at PG) and down on Edwards because he looks like a volume scorer that doesnt really bring much else in terms of production to the table. You'd think a guy like him who probably has the highest USG of all the guards drafted would put up 5asts/per36 minimum...


Cole... is my highest conviction on him being a bust if hes drafted in the top 5. I literally wouldn't be able to discern his college tape from guys like trey burke, jerryd Bayless, Randy foye. All similar slashing PGs in college that only had mediocre NBA careers.

incidentally if you look back at the 2008 draft, the guys that ended up having good careers outside the top 5 were all high floor players or guys that we already knew could shoot.

Lopez
Gallo
Gordon
ANderson
c lee


This might be a good thing to keep in mind if you're waffling about Haliburton in this draft

Or it could be draft full of surprises and sleepers. Some of these dudes slotted from 10 -25 will suprise us Im sure. Wisemann , I really have no clue...I get the feeling his offensive ceiling is really high bu t then I also get the feeling he'll bust...

Cole 's stock seems to be int he 10-14 range right now, I don't see anybody picking him top 5 - except us maybe

Who ever gets Kira Lewis will be more than happy IMO

Haliburton man , dont know what it is about that guy but I think he'll be way better than he should be. Meaning his all around game and iq will make up for his pedestrian handle.

And of course I feel like Killian Hayes is a real gem....

There will absolutely be guys taken outside the lottery that will be better than multiple players that will get drafted in the lottery and K.Lewis is at the top of my list of guys i think will have that chance. Some others are P.Williams (FSU F) T.Terry (Stanford PG) Poku (Euro kid) J.McDaniels (Wash SF) and a few others.

This draft is gonna be real tricky to find good/great players in and i think there will be many disappointments to come out of this draft, just hope the Knicks get some luck and hit big in this draft especially with whoever we take with that lottery pick and hope to come away with players that can help in some way with the Clippers and Charlotte picks if we don't use them to trade up.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks are going to draft LaMelo, even if they have to trade up to do it
Donovan Mitchell is going to talk his way out of Utah and his RFA status via WWW/Leon Rose/Perrin & a S&T will happen
This the game plan to solve PG/SG for the next 8 years.

Buzztrodamus has spoken

[malik959]

it took his junior year at bowling green to put up Okungwu's freshman stats at a real college.

Holmes put up similar numbers as a sophomore and he was even shooting outside shots. OO has a broken jumper that looks like this

Watch on YouTube

One of the worst decision makers with the ball, dude looks lost trying to make plays. Absolutely terrible. No NBA team is going to depend on this dude to make anything happen with the ball in his hands, they will instruct him to set screens and finish under the basket. No playmaking or outside shooting at all whatsoever. He also has ways to go defensively, he jumps at every pump fake and looks unbalanced on his reactions. Dude is going to be baited into so many fouls he wont be able to stay on the floor for many minutes. Kid is a raw project

That jumper has absolutely no chance. My goodness.

His passing is a definite turn off.

[thebuzzardman]

this just isn't a great draft class

I started months ago super down on Wiseman, up on Edwards.


Now I'm circling back.

Wiseman is probably the #1 player in the draft, im now down on Haliburton (bc he might not be a 35mpg player at PG) and down on Edwards because he looks like a volume scorer that doesnt really bring much else in terms of production to the table. You'd think a guy like him who probably has the highest USG of all the guards drafted would put up 5asts/per36 minimum...


Cole... is my highest conviction on him being a bust if hes drafted in the top 5. I literally wouldn't be able to discern his college tape from guys like trey burke, jerryd Bayless, Randy foye. All similar slashing PGs in college that only had mediocre NBA careers.

incidentally if you look back at the 2008 draft, the guys that ended up having good careers outside the top 5 were all high floor players or guys that we already knew could shoot.

Lopez
Gallo
Gordon
ANderson
c lee


This might be a good thing to keep in mind if you're waffling about Haliburton in this draft

Or it could be draft full of surprises and sleepers. Some of these dudes slotted from 10 -25 will suprise us Im sure. Wisemann , I really have no clue...I get the feeling his offensive ceiling is really high bu t then I also get the feeling he'll bust...

Cole 's stock seems to be int he 10-14 range right now, I don't see anybody picking him top 5 - except us maybe

Who ever gets Kira Lewis will be more than happy IMO

Haliburton man , dont know what it is about that guy but I think he'll be way better than he should be. Meaning his all around game and iq will make up for his pedestrian handle.

And of course I feel like Killian Hayes is a real gem....

There will absolutely be guys taken outside the lottery that will be better than multiple players that will get drafted in the lottery and K.Lewis is at the top of my list of guys i think will have that chance. Some others are P.Williams (FSU F) T.Terry (Stanford PG) Poku (Euro kid) J.McDaniels (Wash SF) and a few others.

This draft is gonna be real tricky to find good/great players in and i think there will be many disappointments to come out of this draft, just hope the Knicks get some luck and hit big in this draft especially with whoever we take with that lottery pick and hope to come away with players that can help in some way with the Clippers and Charlotte picks if we don't use them to trade up.

[knickstape21]

Knicks are going to draft LaMelo, even if they have to trade up to do it
Donovan Mitchell is going to talk his way out of Utah and his RFA status via WWW/Leon Rose/Perrin & a S&T will happen
This the game plan to solve PG/SG for the next 8 years.

Buzztrodamus has spoken

I love Donovan, but I think I like Booker better

[malik959]

this just isn't a great draft class

I started months ago super down on Wiseman, up on Edwards.


Now I'm circling back.

Wiseman is probably the #1 player in the draft, im now down on Haliburton (bc he might not be a 35mpg player at PG) and down on Edwards because he looks like a volume scorer that doesnt really bring much else in terms of production to the table. You'd think a guy like him who probably has the highest USG of all the guards drafted would put up 5asts/per36 minimum...


Cole... is my highest conviction on him being a bust if hes drafted in the top 5. I literally wouldn't be able to discern his college tape from guys like trey burke, jerryd Bayless, Randy foye. All similar slashing PGs in college that only had mediocre NBA careers.

incidentally if you look back at the 2008 draft, the guys that ended up having good careers outside the top 5 were all high floor players or guys that we already knew could shoot.

Lopez
Gallo
Gordon
ANderson
c lee


This might be a good thing to keep in mind if you're waffling about Haliburton in this draft

Or it could be draft full of surprises and sleepers. Some of these dudes slotted from 10 -25 will suprise us Im sure. Wisemann , I really have no clue...I get the feeling his offensive ceiling is really high bu t then I also get the feeling he'll bust...

Cole 's stock seems to be int he 10-14 range right now, I don't see anybody picking him top 5 - except us maybe

Who ever gets Kira Lewis will be more than happy IMO

Haliburton man , dont know what it is about that guy but I think he'll be way better than he should be. Meaning his all around game and iq will make up for his pedestrian handle.

And of course I feel like Killian Hayes is a real gem....

There will absolutely be guys taken outside the lottery that will be better than multiple players that will get drafted in the lottery and K.Lewis is at the top of my list of guys i think will have that chance. Some others are P.Williams (FSU F) T.Terry (Stanford PG) Poku (Euro kid) J.McDaniels (Wash SF) and a few others.

This draft is gonna be real tricky to find good/great players in and i think there will be many disappointments to come out of this draft, just hope the Knicks get some luck and hit big in this draft especially with whoever we take with that lottery pick and hope to come away with players that can help in some way with the Clippers and Charlotte picks if we don't use them to trade up.

This is why I feel that dropping is actually a safer bet. Like instead of getting Knox at 7 (did not look up actual posiyou drop down and get SGA, or instead of getting Frank at 8 you drop down and get Mitch. Why pick up a role player at 6 when you can get the same quality at 12? Not that I wouldn't be happy picking Hayes/Haliburton at 6th, just feel we can pick up a contract plus a equal pick lower in the draft and help give another team cap relief

[HEZI]

it took his junior year at bowling green to put up Okungwu's freshman stats at a real college.

Holmes put up similar numbers as a sophomore and he was even shooting outside shots. OO has a broken jumper that looks like this

Watch on YouTube

One of the worst decision makers with the ball, dude looks lost trying to make plays. Absolutely terrible. No NBA team is going to depend on this dude to make anything happen with the ball in his hands, they will instruct him to set screens and finish under the basket. No playmaking or outside shooting at all whatsoever. He also has ways to go defensively, he jumps at every pump fake and looks unbalanced on his reactions. Dude is going to be baited into so many fouls he wont be able to stay on the floor for many minutes. Kid is a raw project

You seem to be overlooking the fact that players do get better as they grow into young men and grown men and that many just get better because the way the NBA game is played is more suited to the way they like to play. We also don't know if these kids were asked to do certain things or play a certain way by their college coaches. To try to predict what a player will be in the NBA and be right about it would mean you could be the best GM the NBA has ever seen cause there hasn't been one yet that can do that.

Let me know when OO learns to actually dribble, pass, shoot, etc.

Til then it's pretty easy to predict his role in the NBA

[3toheadmelo]

there we go

deni, tyrese, and obi

those guys make the most sense. But deni plays tatum's position so if I think they are all equal you will get a secondary playmaker sniper like Haliburton to play alongisde Tatum and Bam playmaking and Ayton in the post.

Or a dynamic PF with a rim protecting big like Obi and go with and crazy size lineup with Bam, Lavine, Tatum, Obi, and Ayton.

I think 2 bams sounds better..

[3toheadmelo]

Definitely would take a deep look at him with our second round pick. Very talented. He signed an agent so he’s not going to Louisville anymore

Read on Twitter

[3toheadmelo]

My wish list with our later picks

Jahmi’us Ramsey
Jalen Smith
Paul Reed
Karim Mane
Payton Pritchard
Malachi Flynn
Jay Scrubb
Udoka Azubuike

[knickstape21]

Definitely would take a deep look at him with our second round pick. Very talented. He signed an agent so he’s not going to Louisville anymore

Read on Twitter

Gut feeling the Knicks selecting a guy named Scrubb won’t work out lol.

[thebuzzardman]

Knicks are going to draft LaMelo, even if they have to trade up to do it
Donovan Mitchell is going to talk his way out of Utah and his RFA status via WWW/Leon Rose/Perrin & a S&T will happen
This the game plan to solve PG/SG for the next 8 years.

Buzztrodamus has spoken

I love Donovan, but I think I like Booker better

I do too, but I really think the play is Donovan.

I'd rather Booker, but he signed a 5/158 Million contract extension July 2018. So 4 years left.
Booker is more important to the Suns than Donovan is to the Jazz.
The NYC connections of Donovan, his dad, etc.
Knicks get the guy who drafted him
Gut feeling it's Donovan.

[robillionaire]

My wish list with our later picks

Jahmi’us Ramsey
Jalen Smith
Paul Reed
Karim Mane
Payton Pritchard
Malachi Flynn
Jay Scrubb
Udoka Azubuike

definitely keeping an eye on those guys and also some of these for late draft

leandro bolmaro
emmanuel quickley
cassius stanley
killian tillie
vernon carey jr
markus howard

[robillionaire]

Knicks are going to draft LaMelo, even if they have to trade up to do it
Donovan Mitchell is going to talk his way out of Utah and his RFA status via WWW/Leon Rose/Perrin & a S&T will happen
This the game plan to solve PG/SG for the next 8 years.

Buzztrodamus has spoken

I love Donovan, but I think I like Booker better

I do too, but I really think the play is Donovan.

I'd rather Booker, but he signed a 5/158 Million contract extension July 2018. So 4 years left.
Booker is more important to the Suns than Donovan is to the Jazz.
The NYC connections of Donovan, his dad, etc.
Knicks get the guy who drafted him
Gut feeling it's Donovan.

maybe if he pulls a KP and demands a trade otherwise it's not happening

[mpharris36]

Knicks are going to draft LaMelo, even if they have to trade up to do it
Donovan Mitchell is going to talk his way out of Utah and his RFA status via WWW/Leon Rose/Perrin & a S&T will happen
This the game plan to solve PG/SG for the next 8 years.

Buzztrodamus has spoken

I love Donovan, but I think I like Booker better

I do too, but I really think the play is Donovan.

I'd rather Booker, but he signed a 5/158 Million contract extension July 2018. So 4 years left.
Booker is more important to the Suns than Donovan is to the Jazz.
The NYC connections of Donovan, his dad, etc.
Knicks get the guy who drafted him
Gut feeling it's Donovan.

if the target is donovan then trading up for LaMelo doesn't make too much sense. Because you will need assets to trade for Donovan and Donovan is a guy that has the ball in his hands a lot which kinda downplays the value of LaMelo.

If Donovan is the guy just stick at 6-8 and pick Haliburton and save the tradable assets to trade for Donvoan because Utah isn't letting him go for free.

I know people think the knicks have all these great assets, but we don't have enough to trade up for LaMelo and trade for Donvoan unless you are also trading RJ and Mitch + future picks to do it...and that would make zero sense.

[3toheadmelo]

Definitely would take a deep look at him with our second round pick. Very talented. He signed an agent so he’s not going to Louisville anymore

Read on Twitter

Gut feeling the Knicks selecting a guy named Scrubb won’t work out lol.

Lol I could see the Knicks getting destroyed by the media if we pick him

[3toheadmelo]

Zach LaVine is probably more realistic than Mitchell and Booker cause his situation in Chicago is 10x worse than theirs. His production is basically identical to Booker

[mpharris36]

Zach LaVine is probably more realistic than Mitchell and Booker cause his situation in Chicago is 10x worse than theirs. His production is basically identical to Booker

Both there offensive production is really good, it just doesn't lead to wins.

I think if we were going after someone Donovan Mitchell is the best of the 3.