Around the NBA - Randle >>>> Harden etc

[HEZI]

Yes Lamelo Ball is that trash. Overrated and overhyped and some wanted to trade our picks and future picks for him. Yikes!

He was bad overseas and in preseason but sure lets just go off of one game I guess

LaMelo LaFrance Ball
31 minutes
22 pts 12 rebs 11 ast 1 turnover 9-13, 3-5 from 3, +18
(youngest player in nba history to record triple double)
(trae young held to 15 pts on 5-19)

Coleslaw -
32 minutes
8 pts 3 reb 2 ast 2 turnovers 2-8 1-5 from 3, -9
(allowed trey burke to hang 29 points on him on 11-13)

Lamelo new Luka
Cole new Austin Rivers

Tyrese Maxey new.....


THJ and Trey Burke hybrid

[blueNorange]

can we at least let him play his 2nd career game

The point is that he's going to be backing up Randle, if our team believes in Randle and it seems like they do, why burn a lottery pick on a backup? The most obvious thing to do would have been draft Deni who can play the 3 or Haliburton who can play the 1-2 in the starting lineup. Replace all of Bullock's minutes with Haliburtons and we're a considerably better team, who does Obi replace in our starting 5?

obi is going to get around 25-30 minutes off the bench.

[Worst_to_First]

I think it's fair to say nobody really wanted Obi, basically he's the red headed step child and we want him to succeed, but the odds are already stacked against him.

I had Obi number 4 early in the draft process although I acknowledge that he had checked out several of those bust indicators (i.e. age, non-defensive big).

At that point where we made that pick I had Haliburton and Deni ahead of him.

Makes me wonder if we hadn’t selected Obi what pick would he have fallen to.

[robillionaire]

I think it's fair to say nobody really wanted Obi, basically he's the red headed step child and we want him to succeed, but the odds are already stacked against him.

I had Obi number 4 early in the draft process although I acknowledge that he had checked out several of those bust indicators (i.e. age, non-defensive big).

At that point where we made that pick I had Haliburton and Deni ahead of him.

Makes me wonder if we hadn’t selected Obi what pick would he have fallen to.

I think I had him 9th or 10th just because of his age. But once we fell to 8th I didn't even really care if we took him there because the players I actually wanted were long gone already. No point in dwelling on it now. He might come back from the injury and surprise us all and look incredible.

[spree2kawhi]

Why do people care so much if he's starting or not, it really doesn't matter. Edwards was the #1 pick and doesn't start for minnesota.

Edwards is 19, Obi is turning 23 in 2 months.

The point is that he's going to be backing up Randle, if our team believes in Randle and it seems like they do, why burn a lottery pick on a backup? The most obvious thing to do would have been draft Deni who can play the 3 or Haliburton who can play the 1-2 in the starting lineup. Replace all of Bullock's minutes with Haliburtons and we're a considerably better team, who does Obi replace in our starting 5?

Team I wanted coming into this year:

FVV
Haliburton
RJ
Randle
Mitch

But we can't sign VanVleet cause lol Fred Van Felton and we can't draft Haliburton cause lol Frankiburton

This is why you shouldn't let memes dictate strategy.

FVV was my number 1 target, and like you, I wanted Haliburton or any of the bigger PGs so we could play them at the 2 and have multiple ball handlers. But, people had to get their VanFelton jokes off, and say he wasn't worth whatever it is he'd be getting paid, now he's making almost half as many threes per game as our entire team does

With FVV it was obvious he would deliver.

[Tron Carter]

it’s unreal some of you jerks won’t give this kid more then a game, where he was fricking hurt, before burying him.

and I never wanted obi

[3toheadmelo]

[KnicksGadfly]

Why do people care so much if he's starting or not, it really doesn't matter. Edwards was the #1 pick and doesn't start for minnesota.

Edwards is 19, Obi is turning 23 in 2 months.

Team I wanted coming into this year:

FVV
Haliburton
RJ
Randle
Mitch

But we can't sign VanVleet cause lol Fred Van Felton and we can't draft Haliburton cause lol Frankiburton

This is why you shouldn't let memes dictate strategy.

FVV was my number 1 target, and like you, I wanted Haliburton or any of the bigger PGs so we could play them at the 2 and have multiple ball handlers. But, people had to get their VanFelton jokes off, and say he wasn't worth whatever it is he'd be getting paid, now he's making almost half as many threes per game as our entire team does

With FVV it was obvious he would deliver.

The thing is, I think he got a fair contract from the Raptors. I think the only reason he was listening to the Knicks was seeing if we were going to offer the full max. Once that did not happen, easy decision for him. Also sucks for him cause he would have gotten so much turnaround if he signed and the Knicks got better. We probably would have mass voted him to the all star game.

Thing that made me confused was that it felt like the same guys who wanted Westbrook didn’t want FVV. Just shows that we have a pretty different view of basketball on this forum sometimes.

[3toheadmelo]

Ayton doesn’t even need to score for Phoenix to win. He just locks up on defense and gets rebounds lol

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[El Poochio]

So much for Lavar causing trouble, LaMelo coming off the bench and Lavar hasnt even challenged MJ to a 1 on 1

[robillionaire]

So much for Lavar causing trouble, LaMelo coming off the bench and Lavar hasnt even challenged MJ to a 1 on 1

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[DOT]

Just let the kid play.

This is all happening because Randle and the team are playing well. Y'all were ready to trade Randle for what was assumed to be the deadweight corpse of Batum before the season started. Frankly the only person who can be complaining that we shouldn't have taken Obi because we had Randle is Melo.

It's still a matter of if Obi looks like he has a role at this level and we really don't know that yet. He's played one game and from all indications we haven't really seen him healthy yet. If we have Obi playing like he deserves a starter role and Randle is playing like an All Star it's a good problem to have. We can make moves from that position.

The issue is, if he's only playing at a starter level, there are guys taken right after him playing at a starter level who have enough versatility to be plugged into any lineup where Obi is the opposite of versatile

That's also not taking into account the 2-3 year age difference. We took him to be head and shoulders better than anyone else available, and if he's only as good as those taken after him, combine that with his rigid positionness and the age thing, and it's not a good pick. He needs to be a star from day 1 to justify the pick at this rate.

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[whocares1]

can we at least let him play his 2nd career game

The point is that he's going to be backing up Randle, if our team believes in Randle and it seems like they do, why burn a lottery pick on a backup? The most obvious thing to do would have been draft Deni who can play the 3 or Haliburton who can play the 1-2 in the starting lineup. Replace all of Bullock's minutes with Haliburtons and we're a considerably better team, who does Obi replace in our starting 5?

Here’s a thought tho. Maybe when they drafted Obi they didn’t believe in Randle? And maybe his play has convinced them that he’s now someone worth building around? I mean Jimmy Butler was initially a role player and one summer he transcended. It’s likely that none of this was planned.

[El Poochio]

So much for Lavar causing trouble, LaMelo coming off the bench and Lavar hasnt even challenged MJ to a 1 on 1

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Best rebounder in the league

[whocares1]

Just let the kid play.

This is all happening because Randle and the team are playing well. Y'all were ready to trade Randle for what was assumed to be the deadweight corpse of Batum before the season started. Frankly the only person who can be complaining that we shouldn't have taken Obi because we had Randle is Melo.

It's still a matter of if Obi looks like he has a role at this level and we really don't know that yet. He's played one game and from all indications we haven't really seen him healthy yet. If we have Obi playing like he deserves a starter role and Randle is playing like an All Star it's a good problem to have. We can make moves from that position.

The issue is, if he's only playing at a starter level, there are guys taken right after him playing at a starter level who have enough versatility to be plugged into any lineup where Obi is the opposite of versatile

That's also not taking into account the 2-3 year age difference. We took him to be head and shoulders better than anyone else available, and if he's only as good as those taken after him, combine that with his rigid positionness and the age thing, and it's not a good pick. He needs to be a star from day 1 to justify the pick at this rate.

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Thats still unfair to say. At the end of the day it’s unrealistic to expect anyone to be a star from day 1. The Knicks didn’t take him to be a win now player, they took him because they felt he was the best player available to them. It’s really that simple. It’s not even about the age either, he’s a bad pick because he isn’t versatile in a league that demands it, and he plays at a less than premium position.

[cgf]

Just let the kid play.

This is all happening because Randle and the team are playing well. Y'all were ready to trade Randle for what was assumed to be the deadweight corpse of Batum before the season started. Frankly the only person who can be complaining that we shouldn't have taken Obi because we had Randle is Melo.

It's still a matter of if Obi looks like he has a role at this level and we really don't know that yet. He's played one game and from all indications we haven't really seen him healthy yet. If we have Obi playing like he deserves a starter role and Randle is playing like an All Star it's a good problem to have. We can make moves from that position.

The issue is, if he's only playing at a starter level, there are guys taken right after him playing at a starter level who have enough versatility to be plugged into any lineup where Obi is the opposite of versatile

That's also not taking into account the 2-3 year age difference. We took him to be head and shoulders better than anyone else available, and if he's only as good as those taken after him, combine that with his rigid positionness and the age thing, and it's not a good pick. He needs to be a star from day 1 to justify the pick at this rate.

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Then give up on him ever justifying the pick & enjoy him for what he is. It's simply unrealistic to expect him to be a star right away, otherwise he'd have been a top 3 pick.

[Zenzibar]

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Ohhh boyyyy....

Seems like Kyrie doesn't want to play for Steve Nash or represent Brooklyn correctly.

Nash was a KD's hire and D'Antoni Nash"s, not Kyrie's. Is there a small tear in that fabric already? No strong voice of accountability a growing wort?

How so? He destroyed the Jazz tuesday night.

Yo, just wanted to come back at you regarding Kyrie and after some introspection.

It's alot easier to understand Kyrie's position after the Capital incident and he's right. If that was a BLM riot, there would have been a massacre of blacks and minorities of all races.

It's a reflection of the 2 Americas, that has always been. Just see the American Indians and all of their decimated tribal nations.

Kyrie was like fk this game and it's understandable.

[Fat Kat]

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[DOT]

Thats still unfair to say. At the end of the day it’s unrealistic to expect anyone to be a star from day 1. The Knicks didn’t take him to be a win now player, they took him because they felt he was the best player available to them. It’s really that simple. It’s not even about the age either, he’s a bad pick because he isn’t versatile in a league that demands it, and he plays at a less than premium position.

That's what the expectations were set at by the people who wanted him

Everyone talking about how he's gonna be RotY, he's BPA, et cetera

I mean, he could be good. He could be really good, even

But the fact is, he absolutely was taken to be really good right away, not a couple years down the line. FO didn't want to tell the fans to be patient while we develop a more project type player, so they went with who they thought would be best right away. So if it's even arguable between him and say Haliburton, it's a bad pick cause the expectation was for him to blow everyone else out of the water from the start

I still say the three year rule applies for him, but it's just a bit comical that we drafted him specifically because we wouldn't need to give him 3 years to develop while the other kids taken after him would, and he's gonna be backing up Randle until he's 25 at this rate, which is the same age Randle was when he signed with us.

[cgf]

Thats still unfair to say. At the end of the day it’s unrealistic to expect anyone to be a star from day 1. The Knicks didn’t take him to be a win now player, they took him because they felt he was the best player available to them. It’s really that simple. It’s not even about the age either, he’s a bad pick because he isn’t versatile in a league that demands it, and he plays at a less than premium position.

That's what the expectations were set at by the people who wanted him

Everyone talking about how he's gonna be RotY, he's BPA, et cetera

I mean, he could be good. He could be really good, even

But the fact is, he absolutely was taken to be really good right away, not a couple years down the line. FO didn't want to tell the fans to be patient while we develop a more project type player, so they went with who they thought would be best right away. So if it's even arguable between him and say Haliburton, it's a bad pick cause the expectation was for him to blow everyone else out of the water from the start

I still say the three year rule applies for him, but it's just a bit comical that we drafted him specifically because we wouldn't need to give him 3 years to develop while the other kids taken after him would, and he's gonna be backing up Randle until he's 25 at this rate, which is the same age Randle was when he signed with us.

Well, those people were silly. Doesn't mean we have to be silly too

The kid's a little older, but that doesn't mean he's further in his development curve than other draftees...not when he had such a late growth spurt after having been a PG throughout HS.

Did the FO actually ever say that, or is that just what folks assumed when they saw his age?