Who will the Knicks Target? Here's a List of REALISTIC Players

snadler · Post #401 » by **snadler** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:39 pm

Two thoughts:

1) would you trade RJ Randle and both picks for Zion and Bledsoe

2) I’m curious if Mitchell demands a trade this summer…I can see it going south in Utah real quick

prophet_of_rage · Post #402 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:40 pm

snadler wrote:Two thoughts:

1) would you trade RJ Randle and both picks for Zion and Bledsoe

2) I’m curious if Mitchell demands a trade this summer…I can see it going south in Utah real quick

No.

It's a possibility.

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prophet_of_rage · Post #403 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:02 pm

I'm curious why people love Zion so much when you have to play him at point guard to be useful.

You think Randle was exposed in the playoffs. Zion has not jump shot and clogs the paint.

Wait till he faces a playoff wall without shooters if he can get there.

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ADeP7 · Post #404 » by **ADeP7** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:53 pm

Why does everyone think mitchell is gonna demand out of Utah.

I don’t see it happening

spree2kawhi · Post #405 » by **spree2kawhi** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:12 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:I'm curious why people love Zion so much when you have to play him at point guard to be useful.

You think Randle was exposed in the playoffs. Zion has not jump shot and clogs the paint.

Wait till he faces a playoff wall without shooters if he can get there.

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Well he's undeniable. I know what you mean, but hardly anybody's perfect, so this dude brings a lot to the table. Until he retires early.

spree2kawhi · Post #406 » by **spree2kawhi** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:20 pm

Takes from that series:

1) Mitchell isn't overrated at all, but ideally he's a secondary scorer. If you find that outrageous, you may prefer this lookat it: Utah is one All Star scorer away. Say hi, Julius!

2) The Clippers have been targeting the right personalities. We don't have any of those outside of RJ and Quickley.

3) If Kawhi plays, they'll win it all.

Barcs · Post #407 » by **Barcs** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:28 pm

I honestly don't think KAT wants to play for Thibbs again. Part of the problem there was that he didn't buy in. I do think they will try to pursue Lonzo and his dad would love to have a son in the MECCA of basketball, so I think the interest will be mutual. He's restricted, so NO can match any offer we make.

I can't see them moving any major assets for people like Westbrook, Butler, or Lilliard, as good as that sounds. I could see them looking at Olidipo or DeRozan, however.

sol537 · Post #408 » by **sol537** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:06 pm

How about Batum and Jackson on 1-year show me deals. $10m Batum, $12m Jackson.

Jackson, RJ, Batum, Randle, Mitch

Draftees bolster the bench. We go farther in the playoffs all while retaining cap flexibility for one more year.

RHODEY · Post #409 » by **RHODEY** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:12 pm

spree2kawhi wrote:Takes from that series:

1) Mitchell isn't overrated at all, but ideally he's a secondary scorer. If you find that outrageous, you may prefer this lookat it: Utah is one All Star scorer away. Say hi, Julius!

2) The Clippers have been targeting the right personalities. We don't have any of those outside of RJ and Quickley.

3) If Kawhi plays, they'll win it all.

Whats the word on him?

prophet_of_rage · Post #410 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:57 pm

RHODEY wrote:
spree2kawhi wrote:Takes from that series:

1) Mitchell isn't overrated at all, but ideally he's a secondary scorer. If you find that outrageous, you may prefer this lookat it: Utah is one All Star scorer away. Say hi, Julius!

2) The Clippers have been targeting the right personalities. We don't have any of those outside of RJ and Quickley.

3) If Kawhi plays, they'll win it all.

Whats the word on him?

Mum

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malik959 · Post #411 » by **malik959** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:39 am

moocow007 wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
McConnel is coming off his most productive offensive season of his 6 year career and he managed just 8.6ppg and 6.6apg. Yes he shot 55% from the field but that's because he only took 7 shots a game and didn't try things he can't do offensively. That's not what the Knicks need for at starting PG.

Barton and Powell being upgrades over Bullock and Burks? Sure. But it doesn't mean that their elevated salaries are going to be worth it respective to Bullock or Burks is going to make it worth it.

Do you really believe that if the Knicks had these 3 guys instead of Bullock and Burks that they'd have made it past Atlanta? I don't.

Are you going to be the first to break 100,000 posts?

Oops, never mind. I forgot that shammgod was on his third 100,000.

I believe I have the record for word count though.

He's like an old carhis numbers just keep rolling over.

Knicks1992 · Post #412 » by **Knicks1992** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:54 pm

PG: Reggie Jackson/ Derek Rose (both 1 & 1s)

Combo Guard Kendrick Nunn (RFA, so need to pry away from Miami and might require a pick or a trade)

SF: Bullock/Jeff Green (DeRozan only if small deal 1 & 1, but pay him a bunch in that one year)

N8isScofield · Post #413 » by **N8isScofield** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:12 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:I'm curious why people love Zion so much when you have to play him at point guard to be useful.

You think Randle was exposed in the playoffs. Zion has not jump shot and clogs the paint.

Wait till he faces a playoff wall without shooters if he can get there.

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Except that you don't. SVG is a dinosaur with a prehistoric offense. Yeah, Zion isn't the best shooter in year 2 but unlike Randle, he can get to any spot he wants at will. Pair him with a PG who can shoot and you have lethal P&R combo. You're either giving up open threes or he's dunking on you. If his shot develops, it's over. He can pose so many matchup problems without a reliable shot now. Every GM in the league, including ours would prefer Zion to Randle.

N8isScofield · Post #414 » by **N8isScofield** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:14 pm

Barcs wrote:I honestly don't think KAT wants to play for Thibbs again. Part of the problem there was that he didn't buy in. I do think they will try to pursue Lonzo and his dad would love to have a son in the MECCA of basketball, so I think the interest will be mutual. He's restricted, so NO can match any offer we make.

I can't see them moving any major assets for people like Westbrook, Butler, or Lilliard, as good as that sounds. I could see them looking at Olidipo or DeRozan, however.

Good. He's soft and seems to be regressing and that was before the very sad personal tragedies. Not a winning player in my humble opinion.

DaGawd · Post #415 » by **DaGawd** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:19 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:I'm curious why people love Zion so much when you have to play him at point guard to be useful.

You think Randle was exposed in the playoffs. Zion has not jump shot and clogs the paint.

Wait till he faces a playoff wall without shooters if he can get there.

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Giannis has no jump shot and does fine in the playoffs. If you want to hold him not winning a chip yet against him and blame it on his game fine. But I think that’s unfair to put it solely on him. And Zion imo is an even better finisher than Greek

rammagen · Post #416 » by **rammagen** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:02 pm

DaGawd wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:I'm curious why people love Zion so much when you have to play him at point guard to be useful.

You think Randle was exposed in the playoffs. Zion has not jump shot and clogs the paint.

Wait till he faces a playoff wall without shooters if he can get there.

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Giannis has no jump shot and does fine in the playoffs. If you want to hold him not winning a chip yet against him and blame it on his game fine. But I think that’s unfair to put it solely on him. And Zion imo is an even better finisher than Greek

this is true but for Zion to become truly great he needs a shot or at least a mid range game where he can become a threat to pull up and shoot

god shammgod · Post #417 » by **god shammgod** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:09 pm

DaGawd wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:I'm curious why people love Zion so much when you have to play him at point guard to be useful.

You think Randle was exposed in the playoffs. Zion has not jump shot and clogs the paint.

Wait till he faces a playoff wall without shooters if he can get there.

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Giannis has no jump shot and does fine in the playoffs. If you want to hold him not winning a chip yet against him and blame it on his game fine. But I think that’s unfair to put it solely on him. And Zion imo is an even better finisher than Greek

not even just an opinion, an actual fact. nobody has finished in the paint like him since shaq.

8516knicks · Post #418 » by **8516knicks** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:33 pm

Knicks1992 wrote:PG: Reggie Jackson/ Derek Rose (both 1 & 1s)

Combo Guard Kendrick Nunn (RFA, so need to pry away from Miami and might require a pick or a trade)

SF: Bullock/Jeff Green (DeRozan only if small deal 1 & 1, but pay him a bunch in that one year)

Reggie jackson clearly turned it up a notch inspired by playing for a title with Kawhi and PG. Why would he leave the Clips to exit in the first round (if that)?

prophet_of_rage · Post #419 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:43 pm

N8isScofield wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:I'm curious why people love Zion so much when you have to play him at point guard to be useful.

You think Randle was exposed in the playoffs. Zion has not jump shot and clogs the paint.

Wait till he faces a playoff wall without shooters if he can get there.

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Except that you don't. SVG is a dinosaur with a prehistoric offense. Yeah, Zion isn't the best shooter in year 2 but unlike Randle, he can get to any spot he wants at will. Pair him with a PG who can shoot and you have lethal P&R combo. You're either giving up open threes or he's dunking on you. If his shot develops, it's over. He can pose so many matchup problems without a reliable shot now. Every GM in the league, including ours would prefer Zion to Randle.

Zion at the four clogged the offence. That's why he was moved to point. And that is not a dinosaur move.

He has to be your 5 or you have problems. He doesn't rebound a lot. And he doesn't really win.

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robillionaire · Post #420 » by **robillionaire** » Sun Jun 20, 2021 5:48 pm

Barcs wrote:I honestly don't think KAT wants to play for Thibbs again. Part of the problem there was that he didn't buy in. I do think they will try to pursue Lonzo and his dad would love to have a son in the MECCA of basketball, so I think the interest will be mutual. He's restricted, so NO can match any offer we make.

I can't see them moving any major assets for people like Westbrook, Butler, or Lilliard, as good as that sounds. I could see them looking at Olidipo or DeRozan, however.

KAT could be convinced by Kenny Payne to play here even despite his gripes with thibs. Payne was his former coach and he likes him. Also, he is CAA and has a prior relationship with Leon. And he is just 25 so still room for more upside, like Randle was when nobody on this board wanted him about 6 months ago. If we don’t have to give up too ridiculously much I think I would be worth it and with Payne they could get him right. We saw how defense only rim runner bigs can get exposed with the Gobert situation and we need a scoring stretch big. He is an elite shooter for a big he’s been 40% on his career from 3