PG: GRIMES Shines. Stat Whore Randle Throws in the Towel

[nedleeds]

I'm not going to retread my recent posts about Knicks getting Turner, or some fantasy move for Simmons, or is there a way they can get a G/SF in here with some real skills or maybe a backup PG, but the trade deadline is 2 days away. For me, it's a chance for the FO to PARTIALLY redeem itself. I can't envision a move or moves that solves everything. But I need to see something. I'll accept if no moves happen - it takes two to deal and other teams want to get better too.
But competent FO's seem to find a way.
If the Knicks don't make a move, it's another sign this FO is in over it's head.
I mean, I think it's obvious they are.

We shall see.

Search your feelings. You can't improve this roster in anyway that does anything other than chase the 8th seed.

[nedleeds]

knox doesn't play because he can't play nba defense at all and his shot isn't consistent enough to make up for that. he's had other games where he hit a bunch of 3s. he never has shown he can do it regularly.

I agree he hasn't shown it, but there are lots of bench dudes who aren't great defenders.

So lets go back, the FO claimed he needed to bulk up to play defense. Go look at the pictures, Knox did hit the weight room, he's absolutely stronger.

If they aren't willing to play him and coach NBA in game defense he'll never improve. He's not a natural high motor defender like Duarte or Miles Bridges. He has to play, be coached and learn from his mistakes. This garbage franchise values garbage wins over developing top 10 picks.

[Richard4444]

The starting lineup isn't going to work if it doesn't include a perimeter defender.

The only difference between last season and this season is the Knicks not having a defender in the backcourt.

And a real PG. Payton was mediocre but we at least had a PG.

Payton wasn't the point guard last season. Payton brought the ball up the court, ran to the side Julius was on and gave him the ball, and every thing went through Julius.

Yes. We missed him. He used to give Randle the ball at the right spot and the right time.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I never had a lot of hope for Knox, but we should have been developing him as a stretch 4 off the bench. But then we got a million other PFs to bury him and hate playing with small ball lineups. We miscast and misuse players all the time, especially ones we draft.

Still, Knox's defense and awareness are big issues I dont know if he will be able to fix...but wont know unless he plays more.

[Handledatruth]

Here's my last ditch starting lineup with this group.

Rose
Randle
Noel
RJ
Fournier

Put Burks back with the second unit.

Burks
IQ
Grimes
Mitch/Obi
Obi/Knox

If this doesn't work between now and February 1, 2022, then try and deal Randle and Fournier and maybe even Noel and/or Kemba.

The starting lineup isn't going to work if it doesn't include a perimeter defender.

The only difference between last season and this season is the Knicks not having a defender in the backcourt.

The toughest issue with this team is that none of our best players are game changing defenders. Randle is good man-to-man while being a below average team defender, RJ gives good team defender and a below average man-to-man defender, and Rose is good team defender while being below average man-to-man. When those guys are on the floor together the defense is compromised badly. Either teams are looking to switch onto these guys individually or they are swinging the ball around fast to exploit a slow rotation. The rest of the team has these same deficiencies on team and/or individual defense with the exception of Quickley and Burks (Grimes too but I need more film).

Last year we had Burks, EP, Quickley, Bullock and Frank which helped at least defensively. We know how it worked out on offense

[TheGreenArrow]

Read on Twitter

Somebody check on 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[god shammgod]

I never had a lot of hope for Knox, but we should have been developing him as a stretch 4 off the bench. But then we got a million other PFs to bury him and hate playing with small ball lineups. We miscast and misuse players all the time, especially ones we draft.

Still, Knox's defense and awareness are big issues I dont know if he will be able to fix...but wont know unless he plays more.

i think you could even survive if he never became a good defender if the 3s went down most of the time. there's guys like that all over the league. but they never have so far.

[Jay10]

I'm not going to retread my recent posts about Knicks getting Turner, or some fantasy move for Simmons, or is there a way they can get a G/SF in here with some real skills or maybe a backup PG, but the trade deadline is 2 days away. For me, it's a chance for the FO to PARTIALLY redeem itself. I can't envision a move or moves that solves everything. But I need to see something. I'll accept if no moves happen - it takes two to deal and other teams want to get better too.
But competent FO's seem to find a way.
If the Knicks don't make a move, it's another sign this FO is in over it's head.
I mean, I think it's obvious they are.

We shall see.

Search your feelings. You can't improve this roster in anyway that does anything other than chase the 8th seed.

You can get higher in the standing with an easy fix: Trade for Ben Simmons.

The Knicks' problem this season isn't scoring. The problem this entire season has been the Knicks not having a player in their backcourt that can put up a resistance to opposing point guards/shooting guards.

Ben Simmons solves 2 problems: Perimeter defender and Point Guard(someone that would take the ball out of Julius' hands)

[robillionaire]

Read on Twitter

Somebody check on 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nerlens is also positive Mitch very negative IJS

[god shammgod]

I'm not going to retread my recent posts about Knicks getting Turner, or some fantasy move for Simmons, or is there a way they can get a G/SF in here with some real skills or maybe a backup PG, but the trade deadline is 2 days away. For me, it's a chance for the FO to PARTIALLY redeem itself. I can't envision a move or moves that solves everything. But I need to see something. I'll accept if no moves happen - it takes two to deal and other teams want to get better too.
But competent FO's seem to find a way.
If the Knicks don't make a move, it's another sign this FO is in over it's head.
I mean, I think it's obvious they are.

We shall see.

Search your feelings. You can't improve this roster in anyway that does anything other than chase the 8th seed.

You can get higher in the standing with an easy fix: Trade for Ben Simmons.

The Knicks' problem this season isn't scoring. The problem this entire season has been the Knicks not having a player in their backcourt that can put up a resistance to opposing point guards/shooting guards.

Ben Simmons solves 2 problems: Perimeter defender and Point Guard(someone that would take the ball out of Julius' hands)

trade doesn't seem possible with out julius, likely going to a 3rd team, so it definitely won't be in his hands anymore

[DOT]

You know, seeing Grimes go off like that reminded me of something I was saying in the offseason

We draft guys who are older and supposedly more ready to play right away instead of younger, more "potential" guys who might need a few years to sit and develop in the G League, but then we treat the guys we take as if they are those developmental type guys

Obi clearly isn't getting enough minutes. Grimes while not having much time did show yesterday he should have a regular spot in the rotation. Deuce could very much be the same

It's just weird how we took guys who are ready to play but we don't play them, and instead give out long term deals to mediocre at best vets.

[god shammgod]

You know, seeing Grimes go off like that reminded me of something I was saying in the offseason

We draft guys who are older and supposedly more ready to play right away instead of younger, more "potential" guys who might need a few years to sit and develop in the G League, but then we treat the guys we take as if they are those developmental type guys

Obi clearly isn't getting enough minutes. Grimes while not having much time did show yesterday he should have a regular spot in the rotation. Deuce could very much be the same

It's just weird how we took guys who are ready to play but we don't play them, and instead give out long term deals to mediocre at best vets.

you would even understand if they got a few vets to round out the roster. but they literally put 2 at every position in front of guys.

[Jay10]

You know, seeing Grimes go off like that reminded me of something I was saying in the offseason

We draft guys who are older and supposedly more ready to play right away instead of younger, more "potential" guys who might need a few years to sit and develop in the G League, but then we treat the guys we take as if they are those developmental type guys

Obi clearly isn't getting enough minutes. Grimes while not having much time did show yesterday he should have a regular spot in the rotation. Deuce could very much be the same

It's just weird how we took guys who are ready to play but we don't play them, and instead give out long term deals to mediocre at best vets.

you would even understand if they got a few vets to round out the roster. but they literally put 2 at every position in front of guys.

The Scott Perry Special = Bury your draft picks behind 2 and sometimes 3 vets.

Scott Perry has been doing this nonsense since he got here.

[thebuzzardman]

sham bombs!!

The New York Knicks, Los Angeles Lakers, Minnesota Timberwolves, Portland Trail Blazers, Sacramento Kings, Indiana Pacers and Cleveland Cavaliers are among the teams interested in Simmons, sources said, although it’s unclear how much traction Philadelphia truly has on any move.

Sources said teams are inquiring about Knicks forward Kevin Knox, who has played in just four games this season and has rival executives wondering the plan for the 22-year-old in New York. Knox scored 18 points, grabbed five rebounds and made five 3-pointers in 29 minutes agains the Milwaukee Bucks on Sunday — his first extended run of the season. He was the Knicks’ No. 9 overall pick in the 2018 NBA Draft. After averaging 12.8 points and 4.5 rebounds in 75 games (57 starts) as a rookie, Knox has failed to gain traction in the organization, but could something change?

Basically, it's Portland, and then Hinke leaked all the other teams to get the Blazers to try and move up in assets relinquished.

[nedleeds]

I'm not going to retread my recent posts about Knicks getting Turner, or some fantasy move for Simmons, or is there a way they can get a G/SF in here with some real skills or maybe a backup PG, but the trade deadline is 2 days away. For me, it's a chance for the FO to PARTIALLY redeem itself. I can't envision a move or moves that solves everything. But I need to see something. I'll accept if no moves happen - it takes two to deal and other teams want to get better too.
But competent FO's seem to find a way.
If the Knicks don't make a move, it's another sign this FO is in over it's head.
I mean, I think it's obvious they are.

We shall see.

Search your feelings. You can't improve this roster in anyway that does anything other than chase the 8th seed.

You can get higher in the standing with an easy fix: Trade for Ben Simmons.

The Knicks' problem this season isn't scoring. The problem this entire season has been the Knicks not having a player in their backcourt that can put up a resistance to opposing point guards/shooting guards.

Ben Simmons solves 2 problems: Perimeter defender and Point Guard(someone that would take the ball out of Julius' hands)

Ben Simmons only plays point guard because he sucks at offense and can't shoot. He's a center on offense but can't post up because he has t-rex arms and spends more time on Xbox and dry humping Jenner girls than learning the game at a 5th grade level.

He's terrible, he creates 2 problems for every 1 that he "solves". He's 40% of the Sixers cap and when Embiid has been healthy they haven't missed him. Trading for a worse contract than Randle without getting something back is franchise suicide. He's Andre Roberson with a better Instagram for 4x the money.

All basketball problems aside, he's a complete pussy who wilted from the Philly media and fans. Put him in the garden with his 50% free throw shooting and 3rd Grade CYA range and he'd be hiding in the tunnel with **** in his diaper. On top of *ALL* this he has had FIVE PLUS years to learn to shoot ... from ANYWHERE. He's 5-34 from 3 FOR HIS CAREER. Not the season. 4 **** years.

On top of all of these red flags, bad at basketball, a quitter, no work ethic he has had a number of injuries. Screw in his foot, bad back and a bunch of other nagging ones.

He'll make .............. $38,610,000 in 24-25. Just burn the franchise to the ground.

[Deeeez Knicks]

You know, seeing Grimes go off like that reminded me of something I was saying in the offseason

We draft guys who are older and supposedly more ready to play right away instead of younger, more "potential" guys who might need a few years to sit and develop in the G League, but then we treat the guys we take as if they are those developmental type guys

Obi clearly isn't getting enough minutes. Grimes while not having much time did show yesterday he should have a regular spot in the rotation. Deuce could very much be the same

It's just weird how we took guys who are ready to play but we don't play them, and instead give out long term deals to mediocre at best vets.

It seems like they have all this money to spend and then they feel they have to spend it. Then they feel they need to play them to get their money's worth.

But it really isn't a good way to do things.

[thebuzzardman]

You know, seeing Grimes go off like that reminded me of something I was saying in the offseason

We draft guys who are older and supposedly more ready to play right away instead of younger, more "potential" guys who might need a few years to sit and develop in the G League, but then we treat the guys we take as if they are those developmental type guys

Obi clearly isn't getting enough minutes. Grimes while not having much time did show yesterday he should have a regular spot in the rotation. Deuce could very much be the same

It's just weird how we took guys who are ready to play but we don't play them, and instead give out long term deals to mediocre at best vets.

Didn't you yourself says guys like Grimes and McBride, drafted in the 30's, really won't be that great, which to me implies role players of limited minutes.

I mean, I get Shamms point the Knicks put a number of players ahead of those two guards. Obi's situation is more understandable in the light of how Antoine Randle did last year - other than the obvious play them together some, but is a team that is trying to win some games really going to trust a guard rotation of Rose/Burks/IQ/RJ/Grimes/McBride?

Of course, they totally bolo'd it with Fournierskin and Kemba, but I can kind of understand it.

[thebuzzardman]

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Somebody check on 3tothehead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nerlens is also positive Mitch very negative IJS

They both aren't very good, just in slightly different ways. One needs to go. They can get rid of Herb Gibson while they are at it.

[DOT]

You know, seeing Grimes go off like that reminded me of something I was saying in the offseason

We draft guys who are older and supposedly more ready to play right away instead of younger, more "potential" guys who might need a few years to sit and develop in the G League, but then we treat the guys we take as if they are those developmental type guys

Obi clearly isn't getting enough minutes. Grimes while not having much time did show yesterday he should have a regular spot in the rotation. Deuce could very much be the same

It's just weird how we took guys who are ready to play but we don't play them, and instead give out long term deals to mediocre at best vets.

Didn't you yourself says guys like Grimes and McBride, drafted in the 30's, really won't be that great, which to me implies role players of limited minutes.

I mean, I get Shamms point the Knicks put a number of players ahead of those two guards. Obi's situation is more understandable in the light of how Antoine Randle did last year - other than the obvious play them together some, but is a team that is trying to win some games really going to trust a guard rotation of Rose/Burks/IQ/RJ/Grimes/McBride?

Of course, they totally bolo'd it with Fournierskin and Kemba, but I can kind of understand it.

Yeah, I think they'll be good, not great guys. McBride I really can't see starting except in certain cases, but I could see Grimes being a low level starter

It's really the fact that, we essentially drafted cheap role players, but then overpaid vet role players to put in front of them, when they should have replaced them. And now we have a lot of money tied up into mediocre vets who really don't have trade value, so it's worth less than if we had just done nothing.

[thebuzzardman]

I'm not going to retread my recent posts about Knicks getting Turner, or some fantasy move for Simmons, or is there a way they can get a G/SF in here with some real skills or maybe a backup PG, but the trade deadline is 2 days away. For me, it's a chance for the FO to PARTIALLY redeem itself. I can't envision a move or moves that solves everything. But I need to see something. I'll accept if no moves happen - it takes two to deal and other teams want to get better too.
But competent FO's seem to find a way.
If the Knicks don't make a move, it's another sign this FO is in over it's head.
I mean, I think it's obvious they are.

We shall see.

Search your feelings. You can't improve this roster in anyway that does anything other than chase the 8th seed.

I said I wouldn't retread the trades. I think you make the trades that get the 8th seed, but only in ways that don't increase the cap or give up too many assets. Maybe try to get a little younger. Get a pick from a contender for Rose or Burks.

Basically, I want to see the FO acknowledge the team isn't it and start the process of fixing it, knowing that it's a several moves, couple of years effort.