pg: we fleeced masai

[Clyde_Style]

I mostly just used those words because of Clyde and how he describes literally any and all "foray into the paint"

Not sure if you watch every game, but Deuce has been maintaining his dribble like an actual PG does more often whereas before he would just dump the ball to someone else. That means you'll see him probing the defense in ways he did not do in the past and he has shown the ability to find seams and get into the paint. Lately he has been taking a few more mid-range shots as a result with the occasional drive to the hoop.

Being that he is a legit quality shooter, when you take into account he is slowly expanding his bag with an actually pretty decent handle, it means he is on his way to figuring out the inside/out opportunities as a scorer while also increasing his read options to get off a pass to an open man.

I don't think the book on Deuce has been written yet. He's a good player who is still developing.

I am a big time believer in Deuce and Grimes at this point. I see the same things you are in that regard. My point is that if we are trying to win it all this year, Deuce has all of the level 1 skills (handle, open shot, shot off the move) but is a work in progress on anything in the paint. He also isn't getting the offense to flow YET. If he is given the chances, by seasons end we could have a real weapon -- and locked in at 3rd string pricetag.

What to Deuce here is the million dollar question because if we trade for a proven guy (Brogdon) then Deuce goes back to DNP and won't develop. If we don't trade for a guy and something happens to Brunson (more likely if we run him into the ground) then we are running our opening day 3rd string as our starter. That's a big time exec decision to make.

I'd say keep running Deuce and Grimes and they'll probably be ready by the playoffs. We also see Grimes unsticking his brain finally. Anyone who has followed him closely knows the boo birds don't know WTF they're talking about. He does have the ability to get to the rack. Last season he was one of the best players in the league at diming off the drive.

His issue was a loss of confidence. With the teams growing success, Grimes should be able to keep righting himself and Deuce should be able to keep improving. They have the talent to be an excellent second unit backcourt. And if Grimes keeps regaining his confidence then you always have the option of staggering him with Donte in the rotation in various substitution patterns.

[nykballa2k4]

Not sure if you watch every game, but Deuce has been maintaining his dribble like an actual PG does more often whereas before he would just dump the ball to someone else. That means you'll see him probing the defense in ways he did not do in the past and he has shown the ability to find seams and get into the paint. Lately he has been taking a few more mid-range shots as a result with the occasional drive to the hoop.

Being that he is a legit quality shooter, when you take into account he is slowly expanding his bag with an actually pretty decent handle, it means he is on his way to figuring out the inside/out opportunities as a scorer while also increasing his read options to get off a pass to an open man.

I don't think the book on Deuce has been written yet. He's a good player who is still developing.

I am a big time believer in Deuce and Grimes at this point. I see the same things you are in that regard. My point is that if we are trying to win it all this year, Deuce has all of the level 1 skills (handle, open shot, shot off the move) but is a work in progress on anything in the paint. He also isn't getting the offense to flow YET. If he is given the chances, by seasons end we could have a real weapon -- and locked in at 3rd string pricetag.

What to Deuce here is the million dollar question because if we trade for a proven guy (Brogdon) then Deuce goes back to DNP and won't develop. If we don't trade for a guy and something happens to Brunson (more likely if we run him into the ground) then we are running our opening day 3rd string as our starter. That's a big time exec decision to make.

I'd say keep running Deuce and Grimes and they'll probably be ready by the playoffs. We also see Grimes unsticking his brain finally. Anyone who has followed him closely knows the boo birds don't know WTF they're talking about. He does have the ability to get to the rack. Last season he was one of the best players in the league at diming off the drive.

His issue was a loss of confidence. With the teams growing success, Grimes should be able to keep righting himself and Deuce should be able to keep improving. They have the talent to be an excellent second unit backcourt. And if Grimes keeps regaining his confidence then you always have the option of staggering him with Donte in the rotation in various substitution patterns.

IDK about the confidence angle. I think unless you are in the Thibs it-list, he basically goes with the hot hand approach. you miss your first shot or you don't take an open shot despite coming off the bench ice-cold, thats a demerit. That's how I see Grimes approach and that's just how our offense is run.

If we don't make another move I am actually okay. I would like for us to find a good way to use our asset of an extra FRP that has a chance to increase in value (after we pick a player, they are probably going to diminish in value until we can create space for them in our rotation), but not sweating it.

[Clyde_Style]

I am a big time believer in Deuce and Grimes at this point. I see the same things you are in that regard. My point is that if we are trying to win it all this year, Deuce has all of the level 1 skills (handle, open shot, shot off the move) but is a work in progress on anything in the paint. He also isn't getting the offense to flow YET. If he is given the chances, by seasons end we could have a real weapon -- and locked in at 3rd string pricetag.

What to Deuce here is the million dollar question because if we trade for a proven guy (Brogdon) then Deuce goes back to DNP and won't develop. If we don't trade for a guy and something happens to Brunson (more likely if we run him into the ground) then we are running our opening day 3rd string as our starter. That's a big time exec decision to make.

I'd say keep running Deuce and Grimes and they'll probably be ready by the playoffs. We also see Grimes unsticking his brain finally. Anyone who has followed him closely knows the boo birds don't know WTF they're talking about. He does have the ability to get to the rack. Last season he was one of the best players in the league at diming off the drive.

His issue was a loss of confidence. With the teams growing success, Grimes should be able to keep righting himself and Deuce should be able to keep improving. They have the talent to be an excellent second unit backcourt. And if Grimes keeps regaining his confidence then you always have the option of staggering him with Donte in the rotation in various substitution patterns.

IDK about the confidence angle. I think unless you are in the Thibs it-list, he basically goes with the hot hand approach. you miss your first shot or you don't take an open shot despite coming off the bench ice-cold, thats a demerit. That's how I see Grimes approach and that's just how our offense is run.

If we don't make another move I am actually okay. I would like for us to find a good way to use our asset of an extra FRP that has a chance to increase in value (after we pick a player, they are probably going to diminish in value until we can create space for them in our rotation), but not sweating it.

My take on Thibs is different. I don't think he goes with the hot hand often enough. And he does pull hot hands inexplicably in order to maintain his substitution patterns. Per Grimes, I've seen him come off the bench and nail two successive threes and then go back to the bench for most of the game simply because that's what Thibs often does.

He may be getting a little less rigid in his subs during this win streak, but I say that with a grain of salt, because I'm still concerned he may overplay key players, especially OG.

[Fat Kat]

[Jalen Bluntson]

That Dallas game is Silver/refs having us re-pay Dallas for stealing Brunson. I have never seen such a poorly officiated game.

The Dallas game was poor coaching. Waiting until the final 2-3 minutes to double/trap Kyrie was ridiculous. Had Thibs thought of the most obvious issue earlier we win that game.

During the 2nd and 3rd quarters there were a SERIES of bad calls when we should have tied up the game after their scotching start.
IIRC that was the game Brunson got T-d up which NEVER happens. There were about 6 block-charge calls on both ends that all went in Dallas favor. minimal contact on us called putting them at the line. Moderate contact on us -- no call. Our commentators don't usually blame the refs, but even they had to call out what they were seeing "A very uneven performance by these referees"

There were bad calls but, we still got to within one late I'm the game. That was because we started trapping Kyrie after 45 minutes of chasing him around while he torched everyone. Coaching cost us that game more than anything but, yeah the refs sucked as well.

[Clyde_Style]

The Dallas game was poor coaching. Waiting until the final 2-3 minutes to double/trap Kyrie was ridiculous. Had Thibs thought of the most obvious issue earlier we win that game.

During the 2nd and 3rd quarters there were a SERIES of bad calls when we should have tied up the game after their scotching start.
IIRC that was the game Brunson got T-d up which NEVER happens. There were about 6 block-charge calls on both ends that all went in Dallas favor. minimal contact on us called putting them at the line. Moderate contact on us -- no call. Our commentators don't usually blame the refs, but even they had to call out what they were seeing "A very uneven performance by these referees"

There were bad calls but, we still got to within one late I'm the game. That was because we started trapping Kyrie after 45 minutes of chasing him around while he torched everyone. Coaching cost us that game more than anything but, yeah the refs sucked as well.

Thibs had a great night last game. It felt game planned to defeat Denver and it worked. Even though you cannot stop Jokic from scoring, we proved you can disrupt the Nuggets offense by playing Jokic tight since EVERYTHING that team does flows through him as the hub.

The Mavs game was one of his worst games as a Knicks coach.

The hope is he doesn't repeat a mistake like that again.

[Jalen Bluntson]

During the 2nd and 3rd quarters there were a SERIES of bad calls when we should have tied up the game after their scotching start.
IIRC that was the game Brunson got T-d up which NEVER happens. There were about 6 block-charge calls on both ends that all went in Dallas favor. minimal contact on us called putting them at the line. Moderate contact on us -- no call. Our commentators don't usually blame the refs, but even they had to call out what they were seeing "A very uneven performance by these referees"

There were bad calls but, we still got to within one late I'm the game. That was because we started trapping Kyrie after 45 minutes of chasing him around while he torched everyone. Coaching cost us that game more than anything but, yeah the refs sucked as well.

Thibs had a great night last game. It felt game planned to defeat Denver and it worked. Even though you cannot stop Jokic from scoring, we proved you can disrupt the Nuggets offense by playing Jokic tight since EVERYTHING that team does flows through him as the hub.

The Mavs game was one of his worst games as a Knicks coach.

The hope is he doesn't repeat a mistake like that again.

Yeah the Denver game looked like someone actually coached OUR team in that one. That team looked terrible without Jokic being able to dish and swish whenever he wanted. OG has been a problem for him from what I have read from Craptors fans. Thibs made some good decisions against them for sure. It is one of the only times I can recall his coaching looked good honestly.

Let's see what we do against Spo today.

[nykballa2k4]

I'd say keep running Deuce and Grimes and they'll probably be ready by the playoffs. We also see Grimes unsticking his brain finally. Anyone who has followed him closely knows the boo birds don't know WTF they're talking about. He does have the ability to get to the rack. Last season he was one of the best players in the league at diming off the drive.

His issue was a loss of confidence. With the teams growing success, Grimes should be able to keep righting himself and Deuce should be able to keep improving. They have the talent to be an excellent second unit backcourt. And if Grimes keeps regaining his confidence then you always have the option of staggering him with Donte in the rotation in various substitution patterns.

IDK about the confidence angle. I think unless you are in the Thibs it-list, he basically goes with the hot hand approach. you miss your first shot or you don't take an open shot despite coming off the bench ice-cold, thats a demerit. That's how I see Grimes approach and that's just how our offense is run.

If we don't make another move I am actually okay. I would like for us to find a good way to use our asset of an extra FRP that has a chance to increase in value (after we pick a player, they are probably going to diminish in value until we can create space for them in our rotation), but not sweating it.

My take on Thibs is different. I don't think he goes with the hot hand often enough. And he does pull hot hands inexplicably in order to maintain his substitution patterns. Per Grimes, I've seen him come off the bench and nail two successive threes and then go back to the bench for most of the game simply because that's what Thibs often does.

He may be getting a little less rigid in his subs during this win streak, but I say that with a grain of salt, because I'm still concerned he may overplay key players, especially OG.

I forget if it was Hart or Grimes, but one of them in their complaint letters said that they felt like if they miss a shot they may not get another one or something to that effect.

[nykballa2k4]

There were bad calls but, we still got to within one late I'm the game. That was because we started trapping Kyrie after 45 minutes of chasing him around while he torched everyone. Coaching cost us that game more than anything but, yeah the refs sucked as well.

Thibs had a great night last game. It felt game planned to defeat Denver and it worked. Even though you cannot stop Jokic from scoring, we proved you can disrupt the Nuggets offense by playing Jokic tight since EVERYTHING that team does flows through him as the hub.

The Mavs game was one of his worst games as a Knicks coach.

The hope is he doesn't repeat a mistake like that again.

Yeah the Denver game looked like someone actually coached OUR team in that one. That team looked terrible without Jokic being able to dish and swish whenever he wanted. OG has been a problem for him from what I have read from Craptors fans. Thibs made some good decisions against them for sure. It is one of the only times I can recall his coaching looked good honestly.

Let's see what we do against Spo today.

From what I saw in the Dallas game was I saw Dallas nail several high degree of difficulty shots out of the gate. They seem to do this often -- come out hot, then go cold. Doubling Kyrie was not going to solve that particular problem. On the other end we were just missing shots and they were being allowed to play us physically which increased out degree of difficulty.

[Clyde_Style]

IDK about the confidence angle. I think unless you are in the Thibs it-list, he basically goes with the hot hand approach. you miss your first shot or you don't take an open shot despite coming off the bench ice-cold, thats a demerit. That's how I see Grimes approach and that's just how our offense is run.

If we don't make another move I am actually okay. I would like for us to find a good way to use our asset of an extra FRP that has a chance to increase in value (after we pick a player, they are probably going to diminish in value until we can create space for them in our rotation), but not sweating it.

My take on Thibs is different. I don't think he goes with the hot hand often enough. And he does pull hot hands inexplicably in order to maintain his substitution patterns. Per Grimes, I've seen him come off the bench and nail two successive threes and then go back to the bench for most of the game simply because that's what Thibs often does.

He may be getting a little less rigid in his subs during this win streak, but I say that with a grain of salt, because I'm still concerned he may overplay key players, especially OG.

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I forget if it was Hart or Grimes, but one of them in their complaint letters said that they felt like if they miss a shot they may not get another one or something to that effect.

That was Grimes speaking to guys on the sports beat

[Jalen Bluntson]

Thibs had a great night last game. It felt game planned to defeat Denver and it worked. Even though you cannot stop Jokic from scoring, we proved you can disrupt the Nuggets offense by playing Jokic tight since EVERYTHING that team does flows through him as the hub.

The Mavs game was one of his worst games as a Knicks coach.

The hope is he doesn't repeat a mistake like that again.

Yeah the Denver game looked like someone actually coached OUR team in that one. That team looked terrible without Jokic being able to dish and swish whenever he wanted. OG has been a problem for him from what I have read from Craptors fans. Thibs made some good decisions against them for sure. It is one of the only times I can recall his coaching looked good honestly.

Let's see what we do against Spo today.

From what I saw in the Dallas game was I saw Dallas nail several high degree of difficulty shots out of the gate. They seem to do this often -- come out hot, then go cold. Doubling Kyrie was not going to solve that particular problem. On the other end we were just missing shots and they were being allowed to play us physically which increased out degree of difficulty.

No. We let Kyrie go off and it cost the game. Whatever you watched you clearly turned the TV off the last three minutes when we shut Kyrie down and almost won.

[nykballa2k4]

Yeah the Denver game looked like someone actually coached OUR team in that one. That team looked terrible without Jokic being able to dish and swish whenever he wanted. OG has been a problem for him from what I have read from Craptors fans. Thibs made some good decisions against them for sure. It is one of the only times I can recall his coaching looked good honestly.

Let's see what we do against Spo today.

From what I saw in the Dallas game was I saw Dallas nail several high degree of difficulty shots out of the gate. They seem to do this often -- come out hot, then go cold. Doubling Kyrie was not going to solve that particular problem. On the other end we were just missing shots and they were being allowed to play us physically which increased out degree of difficulty.

No. We let Kyrie go off and it cost the game. Whatever you watched you clearly turned the TV off the last three minutes when we shut Kyrie down and almost won.

it's the same movie every time the fix is in. They call ticky-tack fouls all game, its a ballooned lead, then the refs swallow the whistle for the last few minutes, we make it look close.

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[Jalen Bluntson]

From what I saw in the Dallas game was I saw Dallas nail several high degree of difficulty shots out of the gate. They seem to do this often -- come out hot, then go cold. Doubling Kyrie was not going to solve that particular problem. On the other end we were just missing shots and they were being allowed to play us physically which increased out degree of difficulty.

No. We let Kyrie go off and it cost the game. Whatever you watched you clearly turned the TV off the last three minutes when we shut Kyrie down and almost won.

it's the same movie every time the fix is in. They call ticky-tack fouls all game, its a ballooned lead, then the refs swallow the whistle for the last few minutes, we make it look close.

[nykballa2k4]

No. We let Kyrie go off and it cost the game. Whatever you watched you clearly turned the TV off the last three minutes when we shut Kyrie down and almost won.

it's the same movie every time the fix is in. They call ticky-tack fouls all game, its a ballooned lead, then the refs swallow the whistle for the last few minutes, we make it look close.

Another great example of this was one of the Miami games last year. I think it was a playoff game. We were down big most of the game. We made a series of runs, but every time we had momentum building, we'd lose a 50/50 call. Either a loose ball or a bang-bang either way foul call. In the last 3 minutes or so, we were down like 20 and the refs gave us every call. Forget 50/50. It was 10/90 plays. We missed free throws and still managed to get some TO's. We lost the game and the final score looked close. Just some of these games (compare to Toronto/Lakers game) where the refs come in with an apparent agenda. There is a reason scott foster vs chris paul is a thing.

[Jalen Bluntson]

it's the same movie every time the fix is in. They call ticky-tack fouls all game, its a ballooned lead, then the refs swallow the whistle for the last few minutes, we make it look close.

Another great example of this was one of the Miami games last year. I think it was a playoff game. We were down big most of the game. We made a series of runs, but every time we had momentum building, we'd lose a 50/50 call. Either a loose ball or a bang-bang either way foul call. In the last 3 minutes or so, we were down like 20 and the refs gave us every call. Forget 50/50. It was 10/90 plays. We missed free throws and still managed to get some TO's. We lost the game and the final score looked close. Just some of these games (compare to Toronto/Lakers game) where the refs come in with an apparent agenda. There is a reason scott foster vs chris paul is a thing.

Bad officiating happens. If you believe it's fixed then Don't watch. That is not why the Knicks lost the Dallas game.

[nykballa2k4]

Another great example of this was one of the Miami games last year. I think it was a playoff game. We were down big most of the game. We made a series of runs, but every time we had momentum building, we'd lose a 50/50 call. Either a loose ball or a bang-bang either way foul call. In the last 3 minutes or so, we were down like 20 and the refs gave us every call. Forget 50/50. It was 10/90 plays. We missed free throws and still managed to get some TO's. We lost the game and the final score looked close. Just some of these games (compare to Toronto/Lakers game) where the refs come in with an apparent agenda. There is a reason scott foster vs chris paul is a thing.

Bad officiating happens. If you believe it's fixed then Don't watch. That is not why the Knicks lost the Dallas game.

I don't think it's total WWE, but the games are all manipulated to some degree. I mean LeBron is obviously very talented and would succeed in any era, but he 100% benefited from superstar calls. MJ was basically the toe-dip into that sort of thing and stars since have just taken it and ran. Look at what people say about that Lakers Kings series.

And scott foster vs chris paul ... i mean c'mon.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Another great example of this was one of the Miami games last year. I think it was a playoff game. We were down big most of the game. We made a series of runs, but every time we had momentum building, we'd lose a 50/50 call. Either a loose ball or a bang-bang either way foul call. In the last 3 minutes or so, we were down like 20 and the refs gave us every call. Forget 50/50. It was 10/90 plays. We missed free throws and still managed to get some TO's. We lost the game and the final score looked close. Just some of these games (compare to Toronto/Lakers game) where the refs come in with an apparent agenda. There is a reason scott foster vs chris paul is a thing.

Bad officiating happens. If you believe it's fixed then Don't watch. That is not why the Knicks lost the Dallas game.

I don't think it's total WWE, but the games are all manipulated to some degree. I mean LeBron is obviously very talented and would succeed in any era, but he 100% benefited from superstar calls. MJ was basically the toe-dip into that sort of thing and stars since have just taken it and ran. Look at what people say about that Lakers Kings series.

And scott foster vs chris paul ... i mean c'mon.

Yeah, that's not why lost though. The only answer was to take the ball out of Kyrie's hands and make everyone else try and beat us. We waited until the last three minutes of the game to do so. It almost worked. Who knew?

[nykballa2k4]

Bad officiating happens. If you believe it's fixed then Don't watch. That is not why the Knicks lost the Dallas game.

I don't think it's total WWE, but the games are all manipulated to some degree. I mean LeBron is obviously very talented and would succeed in any era, but he 100% benefited from superstar calls. MJ was basically the toe-dip into that sort of thing and stars since have just taken it and ran. Look at what people say about that Lakers Kings series.

And scott foster vs chris paul ... i mean c'mon.

Yeah, that's not why lost though. The only answer was to take the ball out of Kyrie's hands and make everyone else try and beat us. We waited until the last three minutes of the game to do so. It almost worked. Who knew?

I remain skeptical. If the refs made consistent calls all game for both sides for sure we would have done better. Taking the ball out of Kyries hands early would have meant open shots for the other guys who were raining 3's in the early moments of the game. Hardaway, Hardy, Williams, Green - they all came out on fire. Once they cooled off perhaps then... but out of the gate we'd have been down by 40.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don't think it's total WWE, but the games are all manipulated to some degree. I mean LeBron is obviously very talented and would succeed in any era, but he 100% benefited from superstar calls. MJ was basically the toe-dip into that sort of thing and stars since have just taken it and ran. Look at what people say about that Lakers Kings series.

And scott foster vs chris paul ... i mean c'mon.

Yeah, that's not why lost though. The only answer was to take the ball out of Kyrie's hands and make everyone else try and beat us. We waited until the last three minutes of the game to do so. It almost worked. Who knew?

I remain skeptical. If the refs made consistent calls all game for both sides for sure we would have done better. Taking the ball out of Kyries hands early would have meant open shots for the other guys who were raining 3's in the early moments of the game. Hardaway, Hardy, Williams, Green - they all came out on fire. Once they cooled off perhaps then... but out of the gate we'd have been down by 40.

Yeah. Don't use the proof we saw happen live to base anything on. Die on the hill that the refs fixed the game.