PG: Knicks vs ATL

[Jalen Bluntson]

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NewYorkWill looking like Boo Boo da fool with that tweet!! Reminds me of a few of the posters here who never show up when we win games.

[BKlutch]

I am checking if R guy comes on time at the first page of PG thread about the 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 pick.

who tf is r-dawg?

Raw Dawg: Uban Dictionary definition. http://raw-dawg.urbanup.com/6068353

It's not nice.

[TheGreenArrow]

Come on guys...the season is absolutely not a success yet. I know we haven't had much success but if they lose in the first round to DET. That is absolutely can not viewed as a success regardless of the amount of regular season wins.

That is not what they built this team for.

Enjoy the season as we go. I am too and not taking wins for granted. But still a lot to be determined.

they're not losing to the pistons in the first round unless we have catastrophic injuries... which might be a possibility.

nice job on jinxing the team. at least we know who to blame if it happens thibs for the mins and mp for the curse.

Mpharris is the most flip flopping poster on this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the game threads he always blows a gasket blaming thibs for this and that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now he’s preaching patience?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lmaooooo!!!!!!!!!

[KnicksGadfly]

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NewYorkWill looking like Boo Boo da fool with that tweet!! Reminds me of a few of the posters here who never show up when we win games.

His scoring fell off around the same time the refs stopped letting him flop so much

[mpharris36]

Come on guys...the season is absolutely not a success yet. I know we haven't had much success but if they lose in the first round to DET. That is absolutely can not viewed as a success regardless of the amount of regular season wins.

That is not what they built this team for.

Enjoy the season as we go. I am too and not taking wins for granted. But still a lot to be determined.

they're not losing to the pistons in the first round unless we have catastrophic injuries... which might be a possibility.

nice job on jinxing the team. at least we know who to blame if it happens thibs for the mins and mp for the curse.

Mpharris is the most flip flopping poster on this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the game threads he always blows a gasket blaming thibs for this and that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now he’s preaching patience?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lmaooooo!!!!!!!!!

Disgusting coming from the man rooting for losses in the game thread!!!! Terrible new low!!!! Be better!!!!

[stuporman]

It's funny how desperate the media is to create villains and 'stoppers' for the Knicks and their players...it's almost as if their jobs depend on writing pieces of fiction that have no real basis in reality to appease the tabloid idols of the airwaves.

Yet as hard as they try to worship them they are false gods and every one of them are made by the hands of man so are destroyed. Trae, Hali, Dyson and whichever one comes next from the imagination of desperate fools seeking to pilfer the gold from the pockets of those that would believe them.

[K_ick_God]

Thibs is one of the guys

Who knew

[WaltFrazier]

This team reminds me of the early 2000s Mavs. Good team, fun and entertaining but just not good enough to beat the other elite teams in the league. Similar to Nash and Dirk, Brunson and KAT are just way too poor defensively to win a chip together. Good offensive team and we can definitely score

Who do the Knicks trade, Brunson or KAT?

The Knicks need depth. The Knicks need a plan that doesn't involve playing starters 40mpg for 82 games. The starting 5 is as good as any in the league. It is the game plan that doesn't work most of the time in losses. No team wins every game. Most of our losses fall at the feet of the HC.

We almost lost last night to a team(26-28) that played their bench for 80+ minutes and we played ours for around 42. It's the same old song and dance with Thibs. The talent is there right now. The game plan is the problem. It's not that hard to see what our flaws are. We are still a top team in the league. Something has to give. Saying we can't win with Brunson and KAT is a weak take IMO. TWO All Stars and two good to great defenders with a great glue guy is a great recipe for success. Running them into the ground is a recipe for disaster.

Agree with most of this but I wouldn't say the talent is there right now. Even with OG and Mitch healthy we could use a bigger wing on the bench in place of one of the three guards who play minutes

[Guano]

Come on guys...the season is absolutely not a success yet. I know we haven't had much success but if they lose in the first round to DET. That is absolutely can not viewed as a success regardless of the amount of regular season wins.

That is not what they built this team for.

Enjoy the season as we go. I am too and not taking wins for granted. But still a lot to be determined.

they're not losing to the pistons in the first round unless we have catastrophic injuries... which might be a possibility.

nice job on jinxing the team. at least we know who to blame if it happens thibs for the mins and mp for the curse.

Mpharris is the most flip flopping poster on this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the game threads he always blows a gasket blaming thibs for this and that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And now he’s preaching patience?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lmaooooo!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We cant all be calm and sensible like you.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Who do the Knicks trade, Brunson or KAT?

The Knicks need depth. The Knicks need a plan that doesn't involve playing starters 40mpg for 82 games. The starting 5 is as good as any in the league. It is the game plan that doesn't work most of the time in losses. No team wins every game. Most of our losses fall at the feet of the HC.

We almost lost last night to a team(26-28) that played their bench for 80+ minutes and we played ours for around 42. It's the same old song and dance with Thibs. The talent is there right now. The game plan is the problem. It's not that hard to see what our flaws are. We are still a top team in the league. Something has to give. Saying we can't win with Brunson and KAT is a weak take IMO. TWO All Stars and two good to great defenders with a great glue guy is a great recipe for success. Running them into the ground is a recipe for disaster.

Agree with most of this but I wouldn't say the talent is there right now. Even with OG and Mitch healthy we could use a bigger wing on the bench in place of one of the three guards who play minutes

I am really talking more about the core. The starting 5 is as good and balanced as any in the league IMO. There is elite offense and defense with this group. Plus Deuce/Precious/Mitch are all good to great off the bench. That's 8 players that if fully healthy(of course) I would run against any squad in the league. Which is why I have intermittently given Thibs somewhat of a pass at times. We haven't had them fully healthy all season. We have Precious" bird rights so we could bring him back in theory but, he's not actually part of the core until we do so. He's still worth mentioning. That is a championship foundation IMO. We could certainly use more firepower off the bench but, I love that group of players. We need to figure it out moving forward. It really shouldn't be that difficult to solidify the bench.

I do not like how the HC runs things obviously. I don't need to run down the list again do I?

After the ASB I want to see an actual effort to include the bench more. I don't want any more excuses. So health is the biggest part of that. Adding TJ may help with that scoring/size off the bench but, as much as I believe he will be signed, we have to wait and see. He's also not ideal but, for now he may have to do.

This team is as close to title as we have been in 25-30 years. We have the most wins heading in to the ASB in 51 years. There really isn't a whole lot more we need to do besides build chemistry and the HC needs to stop being so stubborn with minutes/bench. Solidify the bench by next year and we could be having a parade at some point.

[LFGK]

It's funny how desperate the media is to create villains and 'stoppers' for the Knicks and their players...it's almost as if their jobs depend on writing pieces of fiction that have no real basis in reality to appease the tabloid idols of the airwaves.

Yet as hard as they try to worship them they are false gods and every one of them are made by the hands of man so are destroyed. Trae, Hali, Dyson and whichever one comes next from the imagination of desperate fools seeking to pilfer the gold from the pockets of those that would believe them.

It doesn't end

Trae
Haliburton
Reggie

Guys you want to hate and a false
Narrative they create that they kill us at the Garden when it's abundantly clear it's not the case

[LFGK]

Who do the Knicks trade, Brunson or KAT?

The Knicks need depth. The Knicks need a plan that doesn't involve playing starters 40mpg for 82 games. The starting 5 is as good as any in the league. It is the game plan that doesn't work most of the time in losses. No team wins every game. Most of our losses fall at the feet of the HC.

We almost lost last night to a team(26-28) that played their bench for 80+ minutes and we played ours for around 42. It's the same old song and dance with Thibs. The talent is there right now. The game plan is the problem. It's not that hard to see what our flaws are. We are still a top team in the league. Something has to give. Saying we can't win with Brunson and KAT is a weak take IMO. TWO All Stars and two good to great defenders with a great glue guy is a great recipe for success. Running them into the ground is a recipe for disaster.

Agree with most of this but I wouldn't say the talent is there right now. Even with OG and Mitch healthy we could use a bigger wing on the bench in place of one of the three guards who play minutes

Thibs hate just won't ever finish, we will prob end up near 55 wins and ppl will say we were held back and should have won 60+ this team will look very different come playoff time with OG and Mitch in the mix. We have seen the best version of Cleveland and Boston this season but not our squad. Our best squad has Mitch in the mix, ppl severely downplay what he brings, fixes our biggest flaw(interior D)

[Jalen Bluntson]

The Knicks need depth. The Knicks need a plan that doesn't involve playing starters 40mpg for 82 games. The starting 5 is as good as any in the league. It is the game plan that doesn't work most of the time in losses. No team wins every game. Most of our losses fall at the feet of the HC.

We almost lost last night to a team(26-28) that played their bench for 80+ minutes and we played ours for around 42. It's the same old song and dance with Thibs. The talent is there right now. The game plan is the problem. It's not that hard to see what our flaws are. We are still a top team in the league. Something has to give. Saying we can't win with Brunson and KAT is a weak take IMO. TWO All Stars and two good to great defenders with a great glue guy is a great recipe for success. Running them into the ground is a recipe for disaster.

Agree with most of this but I wouldn't say the talent is there right now. Even with OG and Mitch healthy we could use a bigger wing on the bench in place of one of the three guards who play minutes

Thibs hate just won't ever finish, we will prob end up near 55 wins and ppl will say we were held back and should have won 60+ this team will look very different come playoff time with OG and Mitch in the mix. We have seen the best version of Cleveland and Boston this season but not our squad. Our best squad has Mitch in the mix, ppl severely downplay what he brings, fixes our biggest flaw(interior D)

I have given Thibs a pass for the injuries. That doesn't excuse the dumb **** he does in the meantime. That's the problem with you Thibs lovers. You can't accept any valid criticism of him whatsoever. Keep it moving then. I really dgaf what anyone else thinks. I have constantly said all season long.at least we are winning. We do happen to have one of the best teams in the league with or without him though, That is what you fan boys don't want to admit. Do you. I'll wait to aee if Thibs changes his ways before I stop criticizing his flaws.

His offense is non existent. He sucks at in game adjustments far too often. His defense is trash without a specific type player. He runs his players into the ground. These are things I don't like. Deal with it. They are all facts.

[LFGK]

Agree with most of this but I wouldn't say the talent is there right now. Even with OG and Mitch healthy we could use a bigger wing on the bench in place of one of the three guards who play minutes

Thibs hate just won't ever finish, we will prob end up near 55 wins and ppl will say we were held back and should have won 60+ this team will look very different come playoff time with OG and Mitch in the mix. We have seen the best version of Cleveland and Boston this season but not our squad. Our best squad has Mitch in the mix, ppl severely downplay what he brings, fixes our biggest flaw(interior D)

I have given Thibs a pass for the injuries. That doesn't excuse the dumb **** he does in the meantime. That's the problem with you Thibs lovers. You can't accept any valid criticism of him whatsoever. Keep it moving then. I really dgaf what anyone else thinks. I have constantly said all season long.at least we are winning. We do happen to have one of the best teams in the league with or without him though, That is what you fan boys don't want to admit. Do you. I'll wait to aee if Thibs changes his ways before I stop criticizing his flaws.

His offense is non existent. He sucks at in game adjustments far too often. His defense is trash without a specific type player. He runs his players into the ground. These are things I don't like. Deal with it. They are all facts.

Not a Thibs lover big dawg, I'm a Knick fan, all coaches have some holes there isn't but 2-3 perfect coaches in the game. Most teams would struggle defensively with what we are throwing out there in the middle. Can't have a top 5 offense in the game and say the offense is non existent lol cmon

[Jalen Bluntson]

Thibs hate just won't ever finish, we will prob end up near 55 wins and ppl will say we were held back and should have won 60+ this team will look very different come playoff time with OG and Mitch in the mix. We have seen the best version of Cleveland and Boston this season but not our squad. Our best squad has Mitch in the mix, ppl severely downplay what he brings, fixes our biggest flaw(interior D)

I have given Thibs a pass for the injuries. That doesn't excuse the dumb **** he does in the meantime. That's the problem with you Thibs lovers. You can't accept any valid criticism of him whatsoever. Keep it moving then. I really dgaf what anyone else thinks. I have constantly said all season long.at least we are winning. We do happen to have one of the best teams in the league with or without him though, That is what you fan boys don't want to admit. Do you. I'll wait to aee if Thibs changes his ways before I stop criticizing his flaws.

His offense is non existent. He sucks at in game adjustments far too often. His defense is trash without a specific type player. He runs his players into the ground. These are things I don't like. Deal with it. They are all facts.

Not a Thibs lover big dawg, I'm a Knick fan, all coaches have some holes there isn't but 2-3 perfect coaches in the game. Most teams would struggle defensively with what we are throwing out there in the middle. Can't have a top 5 offense in the game and say the offense is non existent lol cmon

Pardon my mistake then. I have been dealing with Thibs defense team for months. So have many others around here.

His offense is freelance until you get a shot. That is why when shots are not falling we have nothing to go to. If you have great offensive players you can get away with it more often than not. Thibs does not coach offense at all. His own players have said as much.

As for the defense. Plenty of coaches could get more out of what we have. It's called adjusting to your rosters instead of waiting all year for one guy to get healthy to make sense of things. He doesn't do anything different. Mikal/OG/Hart/Precious/Deuce are all decent to excellent defenders. They should be switching on everything on the perimeter. We sag in to the paint and get burned trying to recover far too often. Drop coverage doesn't seem to work without Mitch either. It's called making the most out of what you have. Not forcing square pegs into round holes. We are the worst three point defense in the league as a a result. KAT gets fouls trying to play drop coverage all of the time as well.

When we aren't shooting lights out. We struggle on both ends of the floor. That's a coaching problem. Not a talent problem. We win in spite of our coach more often than not because we have that much talent in our starting lineup that he runs them into the ground. Which has also cost us games.

Ask around. I am not making this up. Thibs leaves a lot to be desired as a HC. Players like him. So do I. I just hate his methods, Good thing we have a GM who handed him the keys to a great team. Do you remember what we looked like the two years before Brunson got here? I do. We made he playoffs and got whooped the first year. Then we looked like chickens with our heads cut off the next. Brunson is the beginning of all of our good fortune. Now we have an entire starting 5 of top end talent.

[LFGK]

I have given Thibs a pass for the injuries. That doesn't excuse the dumb **** he does in the meantime. That's the problem with you Thibs lovers. You can't accept any valid criticism of him whatsoever. Keep it moving then. I really dgaf what anyone else thinks. I have constantly said all season long.at least we are winning. We do happen to have one of the best teams in the league with or without him though, That is what you fan boys don't want to admit. Do you. I'll wait to aee if Thibs changes his ways before I stop criticizing his flaws.

His offense is non existent. He sucks at in game adjustments far too often. His defense is trash without a specific type player. He runs his players into the ground. These are things I don't like. Deal with it. They are all facts.

Not a Thibs lover big dawg, I'm a Knick fan, all coaches have some holes there isn't but 2-3 perfect coaches in the game. Most teams would struggle defensively with what we are throwing out there in the middle. Can't have a top 5 offense in the game and say the offense is non existent lol cmon

Pardon my mistake then. I have been dealing with Thibs defense team for months. So have many others around here.

His offense is freelance until you get a shot. That is why when shots are not falling we have nothing to go to. If you have great offensive players you can get away with it more often than not. Thibs does not coach offense at all. His own players have said as much.

As for the defense. Plenty of coaches could get more out of what we have. It's called adjusting to your rosters instead of waiting all year for one guy to get healthy to make sense of things. He doesn't do anything different. Mikal/OG/Hart/Precious/Deuce are all decent to excellent defenders. They should be switching on everything on the perimeter. We sag in to the paint and get burned trying to recover far too often. Drop coverage doesn't seem to work without Mitch either. It's called making the most out of what you have. Not forcing square pegs into round holes. We are the worst three point defense in the league as a a result. KAT gets fouls trying to play drop coverage all of the time as well.

When we aren't shooting lights out. We struggle on both ends of the floor. That's a coaching problem. Not a talent problem. We win in spite of our coach more often than not because we have that much talent in our starting lineup that he runs them into the ground. Which has also cost us games.

Ask around. I am not making this up. Thibs leaves a lot to be desired as a HC. Players like him. So do I. I just hate his methods, Good thing we have a GM who handed him the keys to a great team. Do you remember what we looked like the two years before Brunson got here? I do. We made he playoffs and got whooped the first year. Then we looked like chickens with our heads cut off the next. Brunson is the beginning of all of our good fortune. Now we have an entire starting 5 of top end talent.

So what happens when Mitch returns and the defense looks a lot better?

[Jalen Bluntson]

Not a Thibs lover big dawg, I'm a Knick fan, all coaches have some holes there isn't but 2-3 perfect coaches in the game. Most teams would struggle defensively with what we are throwing out there in the middle. Can't have a top 5 offense in the game and say the offense is non existent lol cmon

Pardon my mistake then. I have been dealing with Thibs defense team for months. So have many others around here.

His offense is freelance until you get a shot. That is why when shots are not falling we have nothing to go to. If you have great offensive players you can get away with it more often than not. Thibs does not coach offense at all. His own players have said as much.

As for the defense. Plenty of coaches could get more out of what we have. It's called adjusting to your rosters instead of waiting all year for one guy to get healthy to make sense of things. He doesn't do anything different. Mikal/OG/Hart/Precious/Deuce are all decent to excellent defenders. They should be switching on everything on the perimeter. We sag in to the paint and get burned trying to recover far too often. Drop coverage doesn't seem to work without Mitch either. It's called making the most out of what you have. Not forcing square pegs into round holes. We are the worst three point defense in the league as a a result. KAT gets fouls trying to play drop coverage all of the time as well.

When we aren't shooting lights out. We struggle on both ends of the floor. That's a coaching problem. Not a talent problem. We win in spite of our coach more often than not because we have that much talent in our starting lineup that he runs them into the ground. Which has also cost us games.

Ask around. I am not making this up. Thibs leaves a lot to be desired as a HC. Players like him. So do I. I just hate his methods, Good thing we have a GM who handed him the keys to a great team. Do you remember what we looked like the two years before Brunson got here? I do. We made he playoffs and got whooped the first year. Then we looked like chickens with our heads cut off the next. Brunson is the beginning of all of our good fortune. Now we have an entire starting 5 of top end talent.

So what happens when Mitch returns and the defense looks a lot better?

What happens if it doesn't? More importantly, what does that say about the HC? He can only run one defense? Not a good look. Especially since there is a good chance Mitch gets hurt again and isn't around for the playoffs. Then what? We lose? Not a good look for a HC who is supposed to be a defensive guru. I do expect the defense to improve some though. TBD exactly how much.

Honestly though, I just want to enjoy this ride wherever it leads. If Thibs can survive and get us a title because we have a great team, cool. It won't change anything I have said about him. Like you said, there's only a handful of great coaches. Thibs isn't one of them IMO. He might be holding us back but, that remains to be seen. Let's see what happens when the team is back and healthy. Which Thibs needs to do his best to keep them that way. IOW, USE THE BENCH MORE. Another huge flaw of his.

You still need high end talent to win in this league and we are lucky to have that now. That's what matters the most. It's just been a reflex that whenever you criticize Thibs the defense team comes rushing in and these debates get started. I really don't want to drag it out anymore. I just think he's more of a Mark Jackson than a Steve Kerr. The guy before the guy. Look at the difference in CLE since they made a coaching change with basically the same exact roster. Sometimes a good coach isn't good enough. Either way, we have no say in who the HC is so, we have to roll with the punches and hope for the best. That's where I am trying to get to. It's just so damn difficult.

[Kampuchea]

The defense improves substantially with a defensive center, that is not a Thibs issue. Look around the league - you don't see any top defensive teams with low quality defense at the center position, and we have the worst center defensively. A new coach isn't changing that.

This isn't a "Thibs needs Mitch" but rather NBA teams that want to have a top defense need to not have the worst center on defense.

That's not blaming KAT because he makes up for it with what he brings on offense. In fact, I don't feel like calling anybody out when we are a top 5 team in the league. Not sure why everyone spends so much time looking to place blame when the team keeps winning.

[WaltFrazier]

The defense improves substantially with a defensive center, that is not a Thibs issue. Look around the league - you don't see any top defensive teams with low quality defense at the center position, and we have the worst center defensively. A new coach isn't changing that.

This isn't a "Thibs needs Mitch" but rather NBA teams that want to have a top defense need to not have the worst center on defense.

That's not blaming KAT because he makes up for it with what he brings on offense. In fact, I don't feel like calling anybody out when we are a top 5 team in the league. Not sure why everyone spends so much time looking to place blame when the team keeps winning.

I look forward to Mitch coming back. What I don't know is, can a team play one defensive scheme, ie drop, when he's on the court and another with more switching when he's off? I feel like Thibs would not be flexible enough to do that. But I'm not sure it's practical either. Can other players adapt to having different schemes. Does Minnesota switch things up when Gobert is on court vs off? I don't know enough about that to say.

[LFGK]

Pardon my mistake then. I have been dealing with Thibs defense team for months. So have many others around here.

His offense is freelance until you get a shot. That is why when shots are not falling we have nothing to go to. If you have great offensive players you can get away with it more often than not. Thibs does not coach offense at all. His own players have said as much.

As for the defense. Plenty of coaches could get more out of what we have. It's called adjusting to your rosters instead of waiting all year for one guy to get healthy to make sense of things. He doesn't do anything different. Mikal/OG/Hart/Precious/Deuce are all decent to excellent defenders. They should be switching on everything on the perimeter. We sag in to the paint and get burned trying to recover far too often. Drop coverage doesn't seem to work without Mitch either. It's called making the most out of what you have. Not forcing square pegs into round holes. We are the worst three point defense in the league as a a result. KAT gets fouls trying to play drop coverage all of the time as well.

When we aren't shooting lights out. We struggle on both ends of the floor. That's a coaching problem. Not a talent problem. We win in spite of our coach more often than not because we have that much talent in our starting lineup that he runs them into the ground. Which has also cost us games.

Ask around. I am not making this up. Thibs leaves a lot to be desired as a HC. Players like him. So do I. I just hate his methods, Good thing we have a GM who handed him the keys to a great team. Do you remember what we looked like the two years before Brunson got here? I do. We made he playoffs and got whooped the first year. Then we looked like chickens with our heads cut off the next. Brunson is the beginning of all of our good fortune. Now we have an entire starting 5 of top end talent.

So what happens when Mitch returns and the defense looks a lot better?

What happens if it doesn't? More importantly, what does that say about the HC? He can only run one defense? Not a good look. Especially since there is a good chance Mitch gets hurt again and isn't around for the playoffs. Then what? We lose? Not a good look for a HC who is supposed to be a defensive guru. I do expect the defense to improve some though. TBD exactly how much.

Honestly though, I just want to enjoy this ride wherever it leads. If Thibs can survive and get us a title because we have a great team, cool. It won't change anything I have said about him. Like you said, there's only a handful of great coaches. Thibs isn't one of them IMO. He might be holding us back but, that remains to be seen. Let's see what happens when the team is back and healthy. Which Thibs needs to do his best to keep them that way. IOW, USE THE BENCH MORE. Another huge flaw of his.

You still need high end talent to win in this league and we are lucky to have that now. That's what matters the most. It's just been a reflex that whenever you criticize Thibs the defense team comes rushing in and these debates get started. I really don't want to drag it out anymore. I just think he's more of a Mark Jackson than a Steve Kerr. The guy before the guy. Look at the difference in CLE since they made a coaching change with basically the same exact roster. Sometimes a good coach isn't good enough. Either way, we have no say in who the HC is so, we have to roll with the punches and hope for the best. That's where I am trying to get to. It's just so damn difficult.

Any team that loses a guy like Mitch at the 5 is going to struggle a bit defending the paint, downplaying of what Mitch does is insanity on these boards. Especially when there's no one else on the roster to fill that role. Let's see how the D is after OG and Mitch are back, I think everyone is going to be pleasantly surprised