PG Knicks/Lakers

[DaGawd]

At least until Brunson comes back, it's time to see what Tyler Kolek can do as a starter.

LOL

I mean, if Brunson is out for even a couple of weeks, what exactly is your alternative? Cam Payne is what he is.

do you know who our coach is

[DaGawd]

I’m only holding onto these guys next year. The rest can go in the right trade

1)Brunson
2)OG
3)Mitch
4)McBride
5)Hart ( as a bench player and not starter)

The rest are soft and can go. We need to keep the dogs.

everybody sans brunson can go in the right deal

[robillionaire]

He will never live up to the price tag. That's not on him. He has been nothing more than above average. He hasn't been the shyt show people make him out to be but, we overpaid for him. Again, that's not on him. He was worth those picks in December though.

If we had more defined roles and plays for each guy to get their shots where they are comfortable then maybe we would see better numbers from everyone. We simply don't do that. Maybe it will look better next year. Maybe it will click during the playoffs. Maybe we aren't done gelling and defining everyone's roles here. I lean towards the HC being a lazy slob on offense but, that's just me(and about a million other fans).

I am willing to be fair to him and not consider the “price tag” but even if you ignore all that his play has left a lot to be desired. Like even if we just picked him up as a free agent and are paying him his salary. I dunno if we should even pay to bring him back

Yeah, no. Agree to disagree. He has not been as bad as people are making it out to be. Up and down the roster players are getting shyt on and we are 40-22. He was one of our best players for a month. He has won several games with his defense in the end. He's making 23mil and 24.5mil next year. Why he gets the slander he does is beyond me. Dude is available every night and plays more minutes than pretty much everyone in the league. For 23mil? Come on man.

The slander is because of the 7 year pick haul. Pretty simple. But he does get judged overly harshly for i

Pick haul or no, you still gotta give me a little more than 6 shot attempts and passiveness

[3toheadmelo]

I’m only holding onto these guys next year. The rest can go in the right trade

1)Brunson
2)OG
3)Mitch
4)McBride
5)Hart ( as a bench player and not starter)

The rest are soft and can go. We need to keep the dogs.

This guy knows ball

[KnicksGadfly]

KAT getting exposed by all the top contenders is extremely worrisome. He looks like one of the best big men in the league against bad teams and then looks very mid against contenders. Mikal does the same thing too. Very sad we went all in on fake stars.

I've never seen this many excuses and deflection for a star having bad games. Randle would put up 25/10/5 in a win and folks would be furious over one bad defensive play. KAT went 3-13 so Thibs is making him miss open shots and get stripped under the rim and throw passes out of bounds and not put his hands up on defense

KAT definitely has to be better. I haven't done any analysis but off the top of my head, I feel like the amount of shots he takes against good teams is low. That kills us because he is extremely efficient...he needs his shots, and he adds value through offense, not defense. He's not Mitch. Mitch can take 0 shots a game and it's very plausible that he's done a lot to help the team win.

I don't know why Randle gets brought up as someone who is good against good teams. Man hasn't even shown up in a playoffs series ever, whether on the court or in previous years, even being available. We had to move on. There wasn't any way we could build a winning team with him. Even that imaginary scenario it's more likely Randle would have had meltdowns, turnovers and bad defense.

Just because there are dudes defending KAT, doesn't mean that Randle didn't deserve criticism. Actually, I'd even argue guys gave him way too much leeway here. Dudes were frothing at the teeth to extend him last year. New York is a lot nicer to their players than people give credit for. My entire point: there's no sense of injustice anyone should be feeling on Randle's behalf.

Maybe that's a discussion that needs to be had in the Cap thread.

[NY2k1]

LOL

I mean, if Brunson is out for even a couple of weeks, what exactly is your alternative? Cam Payne is what he is.

do you know who our coach is

Oh, I thought you were laughing at the mere thought of him starting in general, lol. I was like, we may not have many other options aside from Cam Payne, and I'd rather give Kolek a chance first at least.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I am willing to be fair to him and not consider the “price tag” but even if you ignore all that his play has left a lot to be desired. Like even if we just picked him up as a free agent and are paying him his salary. I dunno if we should even pay to bring him back

Yeah, no. Agree to disagree. He has not been as bad as people are making it out to be. Up and down the roster players are getting shyt on and we are 40-22. He was one of our best players for a month. He has won several games with his defense in the end. He's making 23mil and 24.5mil next year. Why he gets the slander he does is beyond me. Dude is available every night and plays more minutes than pretty much everyone in the league. For 23mil? Come on man.

The slander is because of the 7 year pick haul. Pretty simple. But he does get judged overly harshly for it

I just went back and looked at that trade. I thought we only gave up 3 of our own picks and a swap. We gave up FOUR NYK UNPROTECTED FIRST ROUND PICKS? I did NOT realize that. I don't fault Mikal but, that just hit me a little differently. All this time I thought we only used 3 of our own picks and two from elsewhere. JESUS!

Well, if we stay under the apron we start getting picks back next year. I am a little upset just now realizing we used 25/27/29/31 and a swap in 28. UNPROTECTED!! Plus the MIL pick top 4 protected. Leon really overpaid too much there. Still not the players fault. Mikal has not been as bad as people make it seem. He will need to hit a game winner in the finals to be worth that picks package.

[robillionaire]

Towns had a bad game, I didn’t dodge it I ran right at it. I know he is a better player than that. Missed a lot of bunnies. Sometimes players just have an off night. Interestingly enough I thought his defense down the stretch was pretty decent. Luka did hit two shots over him but they were well defended. The foul trouble to start the game is what really hurt. Didn’t have anything to do with the coach and I’m fine with him not getting many looks down the stretch because Brunson was hot and he was off all night.

Learn to be ok with your favorite player having a bad game sometimes. It’s not always the coach or someone else’s fault. If you believe in the player you can own it and still know it will be ok. Towns is going to bounce back because he’s a great player

Also, if Knox had been drafted by the spurs and Gregg Popovich instead of Fizdale and Thibs he would have turned into Kevin Durant. It’s 100% coaching issue with Knox. Kid had superstar written all over him. Stomped out by Thibs. Vet loving ogre

Because this place is what it is I’ll clarify one of the above paragraphs is sarcasm

[robillionaire]

Yeah, no. Agree to disagree. He has not been as bad as people are making it out to be. Up and down the roster players are getting shyt on and we are 40-22. He was one of our best players for a month. He has won several games with his defense in the end. He's making 23mil and 24.5mil next year. Why he gets the slander he does is beyond me. Dude is available every night and plays more minutes than pretty much everyone in the league. For 23mil? Come on man.

The slander is because of the 7 year pick haul. Pretty simple. But he does get judged overly harshly for it

I just went back and looked at that trade. I thought we only gave up 3 of our own picks and a swap. We gave up FOUR NYK UNPROTECTED FIRST ROUND PICKS? I did NOT realize that. I don't fault Mikal but, that just hit me a little differently. All this time I thought we only used 3 of our own picks and two from elsewhere. JESUS!

Well, if we stay under the apron we start getting picks back next year. I am a little upset just now realizing we used 25/27/29/31 and a swap in 28. UNPROTECTED!! Plus the MIL pick top 4 protected. Leon really overpaid too much there. Still not the players fault. Mikal has not been as bad as people make it seem. He will need to hit a game winner in the finals to be worth that picks package.

This post would be hilarious if it wasn’t so painful. We gon be alright

[Gravy]

KAT getting exposed by all the top contenders is extremely worrisome. He looks like one of the best big men in the league against bad teams and then looks very mid against contenders. Mikal does the same thing too. Very sad we went all in on fake stars.

I've never seen this many excuses and deflection for a star having bad games. Randle would put up 25/10/5 in a win and folks would be furious over one bad defensive play. KAT went 3-13 so Thibs is making him miss open shots and get stripped under the rim and throw passes out of bounds and not put his hands up on defense

KAT definitely has to be better. I haven't done any analysis but off the top of my head, I feel like the amount of shots he takes against good teams is low. That kills us because he is extremely efficient...he needs his shots, and he adds value through offense, not defense. He's not Mitch. Mitch can take 0 shots a game and it's very plausible that he's done a lot to help the team win.

I don't know why Randle gets brought up as someone who is good against good teams. Man hasn't even shown up in a playoffs series ever, whether on the court or in previous years, even being available. We had to move on. There wasn't any way we could build a winning team with him. Even that imaginary scenario it's more likely Randle would have had meltdowns, turnovers and bad defense.

Just because there are dudes defending KAT, doesn't mean that Randle didn't deserve criticism. Actually, I'd even argue guys gave him way too much leeway here. Dudes were frothing at the teeth to extend him last year. New York is a lot nicer to their players than people give credit for. My entire point: there's no sense of injustice anyone should be feeling on Randle's behalf.

Maybe that's a discussion that needs to be had in the Cap thread.

KAT was 3-13 that's not efficient at all. I'm saying if we can drag all the other players and coaches when they have bad games then KAT can get criticized too without it being someone else's fault all the time.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

[Jalen Bluntson]

The slander is because of the 7 year pick haul. Pretty simple. But he does get judged overly harshly for it

I just went back and looked at that trade. I thought we only gave up 3 of our own picks and a swap. We gave up FOUR NYK UNPROTECTED FIRST ROUND PICKS? I did NOT realize that. I don't fault Mikal but, that just hit me a little differently. All this time I thought we only used 3 of our own picks and two from elsewhere. JESUS!

Well, if we stay under the apron we start getting picks back next year. I am a little upset just now realizing we used 25/27/29/31 and a swap in 28. UNPROTECTED!! Plus the MIL pick top 4 protected. Leon really overpaid too much there. Still not the players fault. Mikal has not been as bad as people make it seem. He will need to hit a game winner in the finals to be worth that picks package.

This post would be hilarious if it wasn’t so painful. We gon be alright

Yeah. We'll be fine. I like the roster construction honesty. We could use better fitting depth pieces for sure. I think we need a new HC but, he's getting a pass too. When the dust clears in a few months, then we can move on to what we should do next season. This year we need to let it play out and try to enjoy the ride. Anything is possible!

[Zenzibar]

I am willing to be fair to him and not consider the “price tag” but even if you ignore all that his play has left a lot to be desired. Like even if we just picked him up as a free agent and are paying him his salary. I dunno if we should even pay to bring him back

Yeah, no. Agree to disagree. He has not been as bad as people are making it out to be. Up and down the roster players are getting shyt on and we are 40-22. He was one of our best players for a month. He has won several games with his defense in the end. He's making 23mil and 24.5mil next year. Why he gets the slander he does is beyond me. Dude is available every night and plays more minutes than pretty much everyone in the league. For 23mil? Come on man.

The slander is because of the 7 year pick haul. Pretty simple. But he does get judged overly harshly for i

Pick haul or no, you still gotta give me a little more than 6 shot attempts and passiveness

Absolutely!

We were killing it for a minute there, when the offense was averaging 30+ assists per. Now the offense reminds me of Thibs' Melo centric offense but with JB now. Everyone stands around as JB cooks, where you have the Warriors who shred everyone they play because of their motion offense.

If the offense doesn't cease this heavy iso ways, we're not getting past the Pistons. Forget a Knicks/Celtics series.

[Gravy]

Watch this. The entire crunchtime Thib offense is Brunson save my ass. I think we got one OG layup and that was when the Lakers were scrambling from player to player and it was a difficult shot.

There's never anything easy in a Thibs offense.

Watch on YouTube

Brunson is such a warrior. The best signing of the 2020s.

KAT got scored on for 7pts in that clip but had no points himself. Brunson needs some help from his co-star. I see Luka and Lebron hitting tough shots in iso all the time but KAT needs to be wide open to score.

[G_K_F]

I’m only holding onto these guys next year. The rest can go in the right trade

1)Brunson
2)OG
3)Mitch
4)McBride
5)Hart ( as a bench player and not starter)

The rest are soft and can go. We need to keep the dogs.

everybody sans brunson can go in the right deal

The correct answer.

[god shammgod]

we got bent over by the nets on the deal because we thought we were gonna win by the power of friendship.....it's too stupid to be real lol

[robillionaire]

I just went back and looked at that trade. I thought we only gave up 3 of our own picks and a swap. We gave up FOUR NYK UNPROTECTED FIRST ROUND PICKS? I did NOT realize that. I don't fault Mikal but, that just hit me a little differently. All this time I thought we only used 3 of our own picks and two from elsewhere. JESUS!

Well, if we stay under the apron we start getting picks back next year. I am a little upset just now realizing we used 25/27/29/31 and a swap in 28. UNPROTECTED!! Plus the MIL pick top 4 protected. Leon really overpaid too much there. Still not the players fault. Mikal has not been as bad as people make it seem. He will need to hit a game winner in the finals to be worth that picks package.

This post would be hilarious if it wasn’t so painful. We gon be alright

Yeah. We'll be fine. I like the roster construction honesty. We could use better fitting depth pieces for sure. I think we need a new HC but, he's getting a pass too. When the dust clears in a few months, then we can move on to what we should do next season. This year we need to let it play out and try to enjoy the ride. Anything is possible!

Yeah that’s how I see it as well

If we lose in the first round or get blown out of the water and swept/gentelmen’s swept in the 2nd he might be gone. And that’s ok, he had a nice run taking us from the depths to relevancy. But we are reaching a point where it would make sense. We have gone all in, and if we can’t win with him the clock is ticking and we gotta pivot and try someone else. Despite his flaws I don’t think he is nearly as bad of a coach as people make it out to be or expect that replacement can magically cure all our problems either. There are a lot of valid criticisms about player weaknesses and roster construction/depth that will be a challenge for anybody who comes in. And no assets to improve.

But for now he’s the coach, the team is set, might as well enjoy the home stretch and hope for the best because this is the team

[god shammgod]

Watch this. The entire crunchtime Thib offense is Brunson save my ass. I think we got one OG layup and that was when the Lakers were scrambling from player to player and it was a difficult shot.

There's never anything easy in a Thibs offense.

Watch on YouTube

Brunson is such a warrior. The best signing of the 2020s.

KAT got scored on for 7pts in that clip but had no points himself. Brunson needs some help from his co-star. I see Luka and Lebron hitting tough shots in iso all the time but KAT needs to be wide open to score.

yeah, people need to stop with this draw up a play at the end of games stuff. everybody is relying on their best players ability to create for themselves in that spot. that's the nba. motherf*ckers on here act like this is a movie from the 80s where, in some small midwestern town, the lesser talented guys with gumption play as a team and win against a team of uber-athletes who play for themselves. this aint hoosiers bitches. grow up.

[dakomish23]

Watch this. The entire crunchtime Thib offense is Brunson save my ass. I think we got one OG layup and that was when the Lakers were scrambling from player to player and it was a difficult shot.

There's never anything easy in a Thibs offense.

Watch on YouTube

Brunson is such a warrior. The best signing of the 2020s.

KAT got scored on for 7pts in that clip but had no points himself. Brunson needs some help from his co-star. I see Luka and Lebron hitting tough shots in iso all the time but KAT needs to be wide open to score.

Exactly how many plays do you see run for KAT? The same amount as his points. Why would you purposely leave out such an important detail?

[dakomish23]

Watch this. The entire crunchtime Thib offense is Brunson save my ass. I think we got one OG layup and that was when the Lakers were scrambling from player to player and it was a difficult shot.

There's never anything easy in a Thibs offense.

Watch on YouTube

Brunson is such a warrior. The best signing of the 2020s.

KAT got scored on for 7pts in that clip but had no points himself. Brunson needs some help from his co-star. I see Luka and Lebron hitting tough shots in iso all the time but KAT needs to be wide open to score.

yeah, people need to stop with this draw up a play at the end of games stuff. everybody is relying on their best players ability to create for themselves in that spot. that's the nba. motherf*ckers on here act like this is a movie from the 80s where, in some small midwestern town, the lesser talented guys with gumption play as a team and win against a team of uber-athletes who play for themselves. this aint hoosiers bitches. grow up.

Imagine thinking people wanting an actual offensive scheme in crunch time is Hollywood. You're stuck in the 2010s. Even the Lakers ran a PnR for a dump off then kick out for an open 3. You want hero ball only then you're not going to win a **** thing