PG: Knicks lose again to Cavs

[HopelessKnick]

The mere fact that with everyone back Thibs basically eliminated Wright, Precious from the rotation and had Shamet again in 10-12 minute territory tells you all you need to know.

[prophet_of_rage]

Essentially every single team won around 50 games. So all of them were pretty good.

2nd) The roster is not that important. We have seen Thibs play Hart at the 2,3 and 4. Especially off the bench he could play the 3 and 4. You increase Shamet's mimnutes from 10 to 20, you can decrease Bridges' minutes from 38 to 33 and Hart's from 36 to 31. And his shoulder was just fine when he returned in december. Never looked back.

This tells me you don't understand the business of sports. You play according to space and salary. Shamet has been a minimum guy on top heavy teams in the Clipoers and Nets. They needed a cheap floor spacer to balance those rosters.

The Knicks have all 5 starters and Mitch making 10+ million and the guy in his role floor spacer.makes double what he does. There's no room moneywise for the guy. You don't sit a 3 million guy for a minimum guy whondoes the same thing. Especially one who missed all of training camp.

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These arguments can EASILY be refuted by the mere fact that the starters---at least Bridges and usually someone speaking out like that is not speaking only on his own behalf---were complaining about playing too much, not too little. It is more than reasonable to assume that if Thibs told the guys "Look I'm looking to keep you guys fresh and will keep you around the 30-33minute mark insteag of 35-38minutes", no one would have complained. Simple logic.

Your whole argument goes out the window the moment one figures the Bridges saga in. There were easily 12-15 additional minutes available. Mitch was not even playing until march so no idea why you bring him in. Shamet was playing 10 minutes in january and february. In fact there is every possibility that not only would the team have been better off, but also the vibes would have been better.

Brunson 33min./Payne 15min.
Hart 6min./Deuce 22 min./Payne 3min./Shamet 17min.
Bridges 30min./ Hart 18min.
OG 30min./Hart 4min./Precious 14min.
Mitch 16min./KAT 32min.

Brunson 33min.
KAT 32min.
Bridges 30min.
OG 30min.
Hart 28min.
Deuce 22min.
Payne 18min.
Shamet 17min.
Mitch 16min.
Precious 14min.

Would have been easily doable. And keep in mind Mitch missed 60games, JB missed 15games, Deuce missed some time, Shamet himeself missed 30games---which essentially means everybody would have played more anyways. It was easily doable. Your argument would have only made sense if there was drama around the team about playing too little, not too much.

It doesn't. Brisges is advocating for his Phoenix boys, Payne and Shamet. That's all he was doing. That doesn't mean Deuce will look at Shamet and say you got next. That doesn't mean Payne will be cool with Shamet playing ovwr him.

They will complain for their time. Shamet ia lower on the totem pole and gets whatever is left. If Brunson, KAT or OG said cut the minutes down or play X more then that would happen. You notice Bridges' complaints didn't go far. He isn't big enough to command that change.

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[GONYK]

Essentially every single team won around 50 games. So all of them were pretty good.

2nd) The roster is not that important. We have seen Thibs play Hart at the 2,3 and 4. Especially off the bench he could play the 3 and 4. You increase Shamet's mimnutes from 10 to 20, you can decrease Bridges' minutes from 38 to 33 and Hart's from 36 to 31. And his shoulder was just fine when he returned in december. Never looked back.

This tells me you don't understand the business of sports. You play according to space and salary. Shamet has been a minimum guy on top heavy teams in the Clipoers and Nets. They needed a cheap floor spacer to balance those rosters.

The Knicks have all 5 starters and Mitch making 10+ million and the guy in his role floor spacer.makes double what he does. There's no room moneywise for the guy. You don't sit a 3 million guy for a minimum guy whondoes the same thing. Especially one who missed all of training camp.

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These arguments can EASILY be refuted by the mere fact that the starters---at least Bridges and usually someone speaking out like that is not speaking only on his own behalf---were complaining about playing too much, not too little. It is more than reasonable to assume that if Thibs told the guys "Look I'm looking to keep you guys fresh and will keep you around the 30-33minute mark insteag of 35-38minutes", no one would have complained. Simple logic.

Your whole argument goes out the window the moment one figures the Bridges saga in. There were easily 12-15 additional minutes available. Mitch was not even playing until march so no idea why you bring him in. Shamet was playing 10 minutes in january and february. In fact there is every possibility that not only would the team have been better off, but also the vibes would have been better.

Brunson 33min./Payne 15min.
Hart 6min./Deuce 22 min./Payne 3min./Shamet 17min.
Bridges 30min./ Hart 18min.
OG 30min./Hart 4min./Precious 14min.
Mitch 16min./KAT 32min.

Brunson 33min.
KAT 32min.
Bridges 30min.
OG 30min.
Hart 28min.
Deuce 22min.
Payne 18min.
Shamet 17min.
Mitch 16min.
Precious 14min.

Would have been easily doable. And keep in mind Mitch missed 60games, JB missed 15games, Deuce missed some time, Shamet himeself missed 30games---which essentially means everybody would have played more anyways. It was easily doable. Your argument would have only made sense if there was drama around the team about playing too little, not too much.

Do you have KAT coming off the bench?

[prophet_of_rage]

The mere fact that with everyone back Thibs basically eliminated Wright, Precious from the rotation and had Shamet again in 10-12 minute territory tells you all you need to know.

The top 8 moneymakers at their spots play.

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[HopelessKnick]

This tells me you don't understand the business of sports. You play according to space and salary. Shamet has been a minimum guy on top heavy teams in the Clipoers and Nets. They needed a cheap floor spacer to balance those rosters.

The Knicks have all 5 starters and Mitch making 10+ million and the guy in his role floor spacer.makes double what he does. There's no room moneywise for the guy. You don't sit a 3 million guy for a minimum guy whondoes the same thing. Especially one who missed all of training camp.

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These arguments can EASILY be refuted by the mere fact that the starters---at least Bridges and usually someone speaking out like that is not speaking only on his own behalf---were complaining about playing too much, not too little. It is more than reasonable to assume that if Thibs told the guys "Look I'm looking to keep you guys fresh and will keep you around the 30-33minute mark insteag of 35-38minutes", no one would have complained. Simple logic.

Your whole argument goes out the window the moment one figures the Bridges saga in. There were easily 12-15 additional minutes available. Mitch was not even playing until march so no idea why you bring him in. Shamet was playing 10 minutes in january and february. In fact there is every possibility that not only would the team have been better off, but also the vibes would have been better.

Brunson 33min./Payne 15min.
Hart 6min./Deuce 22 min./Payne 3min./Shamet 17min.
Bridges 30min./ Hart 18min.
OG 30min./Hart 4min./Precious 14min.
Mitch 16min./KAT 32min.

Brunson 33min.
KAT 32min.
Bridges 30min.
OG 30min.
Hart 28min.
Deuce 22min.
Payne 18min.
Shamet 17min.
Mitch 16min.
Precious 14min.

Would have been easily doable. And keep in mind Mitch missed 60games, JB missed 15games, Deuce missed some time, Shamet himeself missed 30games---which essentially means everybody would have played more anyways. It was easily doable. Your argument would have only made sense if there was drama around the team about playing too little, not too much.

Do you have KAT coming off the bench?

Just a mistake....should have been KAT 32min./Mitch 16min.

[HopelessKnick]

This tells me you don't understand the business of sports. You play according to space and salary. Shamet has been a minimum guy on top heavy teams in the Clipoers and Nets. They needed a cheap floor spacer to balance those rosters.

The Knicks have all 5 starters and Mitch making 10+ million and the guy in his role floor spacer.makes double what he does. There's no room moneywise for the guy. You don't sit a 3 million guy for a minimum guy whondoes the same thing. Especially one who missed all of training camp.

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These arguments can EASILY be refuted by the mere fact that the starters---at least Bridges and usually someone speaking out like that is not speaking only on his own behalf---were complaining about playing too much, not too little. It is more than reasonable to assume that if Thibs told the guys "Look I'm looking to keep you guys fresh and will keep you around the 30-33minute mark insteag of 35-38minutes", no one would have complained. Simple logic.

Your whole argument goes out the window the moment one figures the Bridges saga in. There were easily 12-15 additional minutes available. Mitch was not even playing until march so no idea why you bring him in. Shamet was playing 10 minutes in january and february. In fact there is every possibility that not only would the team have been better off, but also the vibes would have been better.

Brunson 33min./Payne 15min.
Hart 6min./Deuce 22 min./Payne 3min./Shamet 17min.
Bridges 30min./ Hart 18min.
OG 30min./Hart 4min./Precious 14min.
Mitch 16min./KAT 32min.

Brunson 33min.
KAT 32min.
Bridges 30min.
OG 30min.
Hart 28min.
Deuce 22min.
Payne 18min.
Shamet 17min.
Mitch 16min.
Precious 14min.

Would have been easily doable. And keep in mind Mitch missed 60games, JB missed 15games, Deuce missed some time, Shamet himeself missed 30games---which essentially means everybody would have played more anyways. It was easily doable. Your argument would have only made sense if there was drama around the team about playing too little, not too much.

It doesn't. Brisges is advocating for his Phoenix boys, Payne and Shamet. That's all he was doing. That doesn't mean Deuce will look at Shamet and say you got next. That doesn't mean Payne will be cool with Shamet playing ovwr him.

They will complain for their time. Shamet ia lower on the totem pole and gets whatever is left. If Brunson, KAT or OG said cut the minutes down or play X more then that would happen. You notice Bridges' complaints didn't go far. He isn't big enough to command that change.

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But you are missing my point. If you look at how I split the minutes, the additional minutes for Shamet would be coming from JB, KAT, Bridges, OG and Hart not Payne or Deuce.

[HopelessKnick]

The mere fact that with everyone back Thibs basically eliminated Wright, Precious from the rotation and had Shamet again in 10-12 minute territory tells you all you need to know.

The top 8 moneymakers at their spots play.

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My argument was never in contradiction to that. The top 9 moneymakers play on most teams, sometimes 10. And sometimes a moneymakers does not play in favor of much less salaried players. Just to give you a very recent example in contradiction to your argument which you use categorically with no nuance. Here you have the Knicks salary structure 3 years ago:

Jalen Brunson $27,733,332
Julius Randle $23,760,000
Evan Fournier $18,000,000
Mitchell Robinson $17,045,454
Derrick Rose $14,520,730
Josh Hart $12,960,000
RJ Barrett $10,900,634
Isaiah Hartenstein $8,854,879
Obi Toppin $5,348,280
Immanuel Quickley $2,316,240
Quentin Grimes $2,277,000
Jericho Sims $1,639,842
Miles McBride $1,563,518

These are the top 13 and essentially everyone was playing but the third highest guy in salary, who was categorically out of the rotation. Even guys that made less than 15% of Fournier's salary were ahead of him in the rotation. Especially considering that the difference between Payne and Shamet is miniscule (1.6million vs. 3million) it is just not accurate to state that. On top of that keep in mind that Delon Wright is making 3mill. as well, seems to be behind Shamet in the rotation. Not to mention that Achiuwa seems to be out as well when everybody is healthy.