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johnnywishbone wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:you think they're taking novak/camby/trash picks for granger?
NO TAKERS. Camby's contract is not guaranteed. It's a salary dump.
StephNYKurry wrote:johnnywishbone wrote:I'll give you my 2 cents. To me it's about creating a culture of winning. You want guys who have character. To me once a guy has a reputation for being lazy he is damaged goods because he can infect the whole team.
I've watched the Knicks for a long time. And I don't want any more guys on the team who have a history of being hurt or apathetic. This guy has both.
1) You want to be the Spurs.
Admirable, but unrealistic. We don't have Greg Popovich and we don't have Tim Duncan. We've got Woody and Melo. That combination led us to a pretty damn good season, regardless of the finish.
2) People are getting too wrapped up in their ideas of what they think constitutes good basketball. This isn't a league of systems, ideals, or philosophies. This is a league where the best players can simply lift their team by making more plays than the lesser talented guys. Bargnani is a talented SOB and his talent (as I've said before) is worth the risk. We need an All-Star caliber addition to this team and the even the slightest of possibilities that he could be one, makes this a solid move.
3) We've seen it time and again. Players sometimes need a change of scenery. It's happened to our very own guys, who have gone on to have VERY successful and productive careers, with other franchises. Whether it's Zach Randolph, or Chris Webber, or Latrell Sprewell, some guys need a different voice, a different environment, and a reset button. Just as much as players can affect a culture, a culture can affect players. We have professionals here. Amare, Tyson, Prig, presumably Brand, and some others are consummate professionals who prepare and play hard.
Bargs won't be asked to be a leader here. He'll be asked to pull his weight and that shift in responsibility could pay dividends.
I understand where you're coming from. I just don't think you're being the most practical.
johnnywishbone wrote:Please don't compare Bargnani to all time greats like Chris Webber and Latrell.
I hope I'm wrong but you are going to kill on this guy.
jp007 wrote:Grinditout wrote:Guys, posting videos to prove eiher point is silly and a waste of bandwidth.
Tbh everything tha can be said about Bargs has been. We're just repeating things now.
Shhhh leonidas wants 300
kNicksGmen wrote:johnnywishbone wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:you think they're taking novak/camby/trash picks for granger?
NO TAKERS. Camby's contract is not guaranteed. It's a salary dump.
false again. pacers are trying to get value for granger, otherwise he would have been moved already.
no takers = nobody willing to pay the asking price.
The Indiana Pacers have begun exploring trades of Danny Granger and Gerald Green.
With David West set to re-sign on a three-year, $36 million contract, the Pacers are trying to improve their salary situation.
johnnywishbone wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:johnnywishbone wrote:
NO TAKERS. Camby's contract is not guaranteed. It's a salary dump.
false again. pacers are trying to get value for granger, otherwise he would have been moved already.
no takers = nobody willing to pay the asking price.
I didn't write the wire tap article. It says they have no takers. What part of that is up to interpretation?
god shammgod wrote:granger is expiring. i doubt the pacers want any contracts that go past this year.
Ken Berger wrote:The Pacers’ agreement with forward David West on a three-year, $36 million deal on Tuesday coincided with ongoing exploration of possible trades for Danny Granger and Gerald Green, league sources said. Teams have been anticipating that the Pacers would be inclined to move one or both of them, especially if they re-signed West. The Pacers, who also have reached an agreement with backup point guard C.J. Watson, have to clear future room under the tax threshold as they plan for giving long-term deals to Paul George and Lance Stephenson.
Despite the Pacers’ desire to find a destination for the often-injured Granger and Green, they’re finding “no market” for either player at the moment, one rival executive said.
StephNYKurry wrote:3) We've seen it time and again. Players sometimes need a change of scenery. It's happened to our very own guys, who have gone on to have VERY successful and productive careers, with other franchises. Whether it's Zach Randolph, or Chris Webber, or Latrell Sprewell, some guys need a different voice, a different environment, and a reset button. Just as much as players can affect a culture, a culture can affect players. We have professionals here. Amare, Tyson, Prig, presumably Brand, and some others are consummate professionals who prepare and play hard.
johnnywishbone wrote:kNicksGmen wrote:you think they're taking novak/camby/trash picks for granger?
NO TAKERS. Camby's contract is not guaranteed. It's a salary dump.
bklynstoops wrote:StephNYKurry wrote:3) We've seen it time and again. Players sometimes need a change of scenery. It's happened to our very own guys, who have gone on to have VERY successful and productive careers, with other franchises. Whether it's Zach Randolph, or Chris Webber, or Latrell Sprewell, some guys need a different voice, a different environment, and a reset button. Just as much as players can affect a culture, a culture can affect players. We have professionals here. Amare, Tyson, Prig, presumably Brand, and some others are consummate professionals who prepare and play hard.
I get wanting to look positively at this situation, but it's a stretch to compare people like Zbo, Webber, Spree to someone like Bargnani. All those guys were immense players before a difficult stretch. Hoping Bargnani turns into a difference maker is more akin to the hope people had for Darko.
StephNYKurry wrote:bklynstoops wrote:I get wanting to look positively at this situation, but it's a stretch to compare people like Zbo, Webber, Spree to someone like Bargnani. All those guys were immense players before a difficult stretch. Hoping Bargnani turns into a difference maker is more akin to the hope people had for Darko.
3 years prior to last season, Bargnani averaged:
19 points on 45/35/82.
Bargs is not in the same class with the players that I mentioned, but he's not a scrub either.
If he does 17 on 45/35/82, are we not rejoicing and dancing in the streets?
god shammgod wrote:Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 1m
My man @WindhorstESPN reporting that Pistons have offered expiring deals of Rodney Stuckey and Charlie Villanueva to Toronto for Rudy Gay
Michael_Scott wrote:god shammgod wrote:Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 1m
My man @WindhorstESPN reporting that Pistons have offered expiring deals of Rodney Stuckey and Charlie Villanueva to Toronto for Rudy Gay
how does this relate?
bklynstoops wrote:StephNYKurry wrote:3) We've seen it time and again. Players sometimes need a change of scenery. It's happened to our very own guys, who have gone on to have VERY successful and productive careers, with other franchises. Whether it's Zach Randolph, or Chris Webber, or Latrell Sprewell, some guys need a different voice, a different environment, and a reset button. Just as much as players can affect a culture, a culture can affect players. We have professionals here. Amare, Tyson, Prig, presumably Brand, and some others are consummate professionals who prepare and play hard.
I get wanting to look positively at this situation, but it's a stretch to compare people like Zbo, Webber, Spree to someone like Bargnani. All those guys were immense players before a difficult stretch. Hoping Bargnani turns into a difference maker is more akin to the hope people had for Darko.
StephNYKurry wrote:bklynstoops wrote:StephNYKurry wrote:3) We've seen it time and again. Players sometimes need a change of scenery. It's happened to our very own guys, who have gone on to have VERY successful and productive careers, with other franchises. Whether it's Zach Randolph, or Chris Webber, or Latrell Sprewell, some guys need a different voice, a different environment, and a reset button. Just as much as players can affect a culture, a culture can affect players. We have professionals here. Amare, Tyson, Prig, presumably Brand, and some others are consummate professionals who prepare and play hard.
I get wanting to look positively at this situation, but it's a stretch to compare people like Zbo, Webber, Spree to someone like Bargnani. All those guys were immense players before a difficult stretch. Hoping Bargnani turns into a difference maker is more akin to the hope people had for Darko.
3 years prior to last season, Bargnani averaged:
19 points on 45/35/82.
Bargs is not in the same class with the players that I mentioned, but he's not a scrub either.
If he does 17 on 45/35/82, are we not rejoicing and dancing in the streets?
StephNYKurry wrote:KnicksGod wrote:After sleeping on it a couple days, I'm growing more optimistic and moving my percentages: Up to 65% confidence level that Bargs is going to be really good for us.
He's incredibly gifted.
It's a matter of his mental approach and how he is utilized.
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be shocked either way.
If he averaged 20/game and made the All-Star game, I'd be pleasantly surprised, but not shocked. If he stunk up the joint, I wouldn't be shocked either, though I'd be disappointed.
People don't understand that his potential makes him worth the risk and he fits within the framework of our future plans, so he's not that much of a risk at all.
