FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[92Knicksfan93]

So let me get this straight, we are trading down from 4 to 7 and we take back from Denver a role player we originally gave them for Melo?

Add the future pick. So 2 pics + a player that avg. 16/6. We have no pick in 2016 and Denver's not jumping out of the Lotto anytime soon. The west is too deep. So 2 Lotto picks and Chandler. Worth it. If they picked Winslow they would basically get the same type of player as Chandler.

So you think Denver is giving up an unprotected first to move up 3 spots?

Denever isn't doing that

[92Knicksfan93]

Honestly I'd be excited for Greg Monroe. Dude is only 25 and has been with the **** Pistons his whole career. I'm sure he has a lot to prove, seems humble, and I'm sure would be molded into a stronger player under Phil .

I've come around to the idea of Greg Monroe. He rebounds well, passes well, and he can can score. He may not be a rim protector, but pair him up with a junkyard dog type of big man who does the dirty work and we've got ourselves and excellent front court.

[kej718]

Honestly I'd be excited for Greg Monroe. Dude is only 25 and has been with the **** Pistons his whole career. I'm sure he has a lot to prove, seems humble, and I'm sure would be molded into a stronger player under Phil .

I've come around to the idea of Greg Monroe. He rebounds well, passes well, and he can can score. He may not be a rim protector, but pair him up with a junkyard dog type of big man who does the dirty work and we've got ourselves and excellent front court.

I would rather have a guy that wants to be here, and needs little convincing. He knows how big he can be in NY if he plays well. Lin got a huge contract for a couple of good games and hasn't done much since. Think of the guys we brought in the past. Eddie Curry, Jerome James, Amare (we knew he was damaged goods). Is Monroe better than those guys?
If no Aldrige or Gasol he is the guy to get since we won't be drafting in the top 2 (If we were than it would be a different story). Has anyone else genuinely shown interest in coming here besides Greg Monroe, DeMarre Carroll, or Elton Brand (I wouldn't mind those 3 guys on our roster next season).

C
Alexis Ajinca, Cole Aldrich, Emeka Okafor
PF
Greg Monroe, Lou Amunson, Elton Brand
SF
Carmelo Anthony, Cleanthony Early, Thanasis Antetokounmpo
SG
DeMarre Carroll, Tim Hardaway Jr. (I know people want to trade him, but I want to see how he looks next season, if he works even half as hard as his father then he will be a really good player)
PG
Emmanuel Mudiay or D’Angelo Russell, Langston Galloway, Jose Calderon

The guys in the red we should try to move for picks if we can.

[digitaldropoff]

What kind of picks are Early and Calderon going to gain? Early is at best an unknown 2nd rounder from last year and Calderon is old, broken, and paid far too much for two more seasons. You might get a bag of chips for either, but def not picks.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If there's another thing to take away from these playoffs, its how critical defense and versatility is. Not that its anything new, just another reminder. That is a big knock against Monroe. He's a player I would love to have, but I just don't know if he's worth big bucks. you could see how he could be exposed and a liability in some playoff series (if we get to that point). Not sure I want to give a huge contract to someone like that.

I think I'd rather get someone like Amir Johnson for half the price who may be just as effective overall. Then follow it up with maybe some flyers on guys like Aminu or Thomas Robinson and that would all probably be cheaper then Monroe.

[swisscheeseD]

The thing about Amir Johnson is that he is NOT a starting PF. The guy is 28yrs old, with 10yrs in the league...chronic ankle injuries (has put off surgery thus far) and many other nagging injuries. He is a solid energy/team guy, who can get into it on the defensive end. The problem is all of his advanced stats defensively have been on the decline for the past 3yrs as well. He was soineffective down the stretch that he was losing most of his minutes to Tyler Hansbrough.

I'd be very iffy on an Amir signing...huge fan of Aminu though.

[And100]

If there's another thing to take away from these playoffs, its how critical defense and versatility is. Not that its anything new, just another reminder. That is a big knock against Monroe. He's a player I would love to have, but I just don't know if he's worth big bucks. you could see how he could be exposed and a liability in some playoff series (if we get to that point). Not sure I want to give a huge contract to someone like that.

I think I'd rather get someone like Amir Johnson for half the price who may be just as effective overall. Then follow it up with maybe some flyers on guys like Aminu or Thomas Robinson and that would all probably be cheaper then Monroe.

I think one of the shortcomings of discussions such as these is that there seems to be perception (i'm speaking generally, not specifically you) of anyone that isn't an active, defensive beast in the low post is a bumbling, stumbling reincarnation of Jerome James. That being a gifted offensive player is fungible skill.

Greg Monroe is by all metrics a very good NBA player and one of the best big men around. No, he's not going to be explosively elevating swatting Lebron James layup attempts against the backboard from behind, but he's also not a awful one-on-on post defender and he's a very good rebounder, which by the way, IS defense.

Knicks are in the position to play the 'either you're a superstar or you're terrible' game. They need good players, where available.

[KingzAndQueenz]

If there's another thing to take away from these playoffs, its how critical defense and versatility is. Not that its anything new, just another reminder. That is a big knock against Monroe. He's a player I would love to have, but I just don't know if he's worth big bucks. you could see how he could be exposed and a liability in some playoff series (if we get to that point). Not sure I want to give a huge contract to someone like that.

I think I'd rather get someone like Amir Johnson for half the price who may be just as effective overall. Then follow it up with maybe some flyers on guys like Aminu or Thomas Robinson and that would all probably be cheaper then Monroe.

Cleveland barely cracked the top 20 in defense this season and Golden State was the undisputed #1 best defensive team as you can see here http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff

Defense is more to me about intensity, drive, focus, and will. This Cavs team was never a good defensive team, but they're playing their heart out and they're inspired by LeBron. That's the most essential ingredient. I don't know who will be the leader for the Knicks - whether it's Melo, Fisher, some veterans we draft, or whomever, but someone needs to inspire them to play hard.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If there's another thing to take away from these playoffs, its how critical defense and versatility is. Not that its anything new, just another reminder. That is a big knock against Monroe. He's a player I would love to have, but I just don't know if he's worth big bucks. you could see how he could be exposed and a liability in some playoff series (if we get to that point). Not sure I want to give a huge contract to someone like that.

I think I'd rather get someone like Amir Johnson for half the price who may be just as effective overall. Then follow it up with maybe some flyers on guys like Aminu or Thomas Robinson and that would all probably be cheaper then Monroe.

Cleveland barely cracked the top 20 in defense this season and Golden State was the undisputed #1 best defensive team as you can see here http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff

Defense is more to me about intensity, drive, focus, and will. This Cavs team was never a good defensive team, but they're playing their heart out and they're inspired by LeBron. That's the most essential ingredient. I don't know who will be the leader for the Knicks - whether it's Melo, Fisher, some veterans we draft, or whomever, but someone needs to inspire them to play hard.

Cleveland's defense without Love has looked much much better in the playoffs, compared to their defense with Love. Thats the point I was making.

[KingzAndQueenz]

If there's another thing to take away from these playoffs, its how critical defense and versatility is. Not that its anything new, just another reminder. That is a big knock against Monroe. He's a player I would love to have, but I just don't know if he's worth big bucks. you could see how he could be exposed and a liability in some playoff series (if we get to that point). Not sure I want to give a huge contract to someone like that.

I think I'd rather get someone like Amir Johnson for half the price who may be just as effective overall. Then follow it up with maybe some flyers on guys like Aminu or Thomas Robinson and that would all probably be cheaper then Monroe.

Cleveland barely cracked the top 20 in defense this season and Golden State was the undisputed #1 best defensive team as you can see here http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff

Defense is more to me about intensity, drive, focus, and will. This Cavs team was never a good defensive team, but they're playing their heart out and they're inspired by LeBron. That's the most essential ingredient. I don't know who will be the leader for the Knicks - whether it's Melo, Fisher, some veterans we draft, or whomever, but someone needs to inspire them to play hard.

Cleveland's defense without Love has looked much much better in the playoffs, compared to their defense with Love. Thats the point I was making.

That's definitely true, a huge point I missed. I'll admit I'm a little skeptical now on Greg Monroe. Maybe better not to sign anyone at all then to sign someone who struggles on D.

[Deeeez Knicks]

If there's another thing to take away from these playoffs, its how critical defense and versatility is. Not that its anything new, just another reminder. That is a big knock against Monroe. He's a player I would love to have, but I just don't know if he's worth big bucks. you could see how he could be exposed and a liability in some playoff series (if we get to that point). Not sure I want to give a huge contract to someone like that.

I think I'd rather get someone like Amir Johnson for half the price who may be just as effective overall. Then follow it up with maybe some flyers on guys like Aminu or Thomas Robinson and that would all probably be cheaper then Monroe.

I think one of the shortcomings of discussions such as these is that there seems to be perception (i'm speaking generally, not specifically you) of anyone that isn't an active, defensive beast in the low post is a bumbling, stumbling reincarnation of Jerome James. That being a gifted offensive player is fungible skill.

Greg Monroe is by all metrics a very good NBA player and one of the best big men around. No, he's not going to be explosively elevating swatting Lebron James layup attempts against the backboard from behind, but he's also not a awful one-on-on post defender and he's a very good rebounder, which by the way, IS defense.

Knicks are in the position to play the 'either you're a superstar or you're terrible' game. They need good players, where available.

Being active is a huge part of defense though. Rebounding is great and a part of defense, but its not enough alone. Many of the good teams are flexible enough to take advantage of a bigger/slower big man with pick n rolls or stretch 4's. If you are slow, you should be able to protect the paint/contest shots and Monroe struggles at that too.

Metrics can also be deceiving on not so great teams. Kevin Love was a superstar according to the metrics in previous seasons. His season last year was incredible. Yet this year the metrics suggest he is not on that level.

I think Love is still a really good player and better then he has shown this season, and Monroe is a good big man, but there is some truth to them being liabilities. I don't know if they are guys you necessarily want to build around as your #2 guy next to Melo. We saw Amare next to Melo and that just never looked right.

Melo is an avg defender at best and I really don’t think we can afford to spend huge money on another below average defensive player. Monroe is a below avg defensive player. And its not like he's a great scorer thats putting up 20+ppg or great efficiency. He will give us 15-16ppg, on 50%fg (his TS% is not great either). I just don't think he's going to be worth the money for us.

[HEZI]

Defense is more to me about intensity, drive, focus, and will. This Cavs team was never a good defensive team, but they're playing their heart out and they're inspired by LeBron. That's the most essential ingredient. I don't know who will be the leader for the Knicks - whether it's Melo, Fisher, some veterans we draft, or whomever, but someone needs to inspire them to play hard.

Exactly! The team needs a veteran who will be a vocal leader on the floor. Remember when we had Sheed? I believe that a huge reason for our success that year was because of his vocal leadership and keeping guys focused on the goal. Last year, the season was over before it even began, Melo was asked about the team and he said something along the lines of "well we have what we have for now and we have to live with it", the mindset was weak and there was no drive or ambition or focus or leadership from the start. Even if we have a young team, we can make things happen in the weak east as long as we have an engine that is good enough to drive the vehicle. We are fortunate to have Melo because nobody needs to motivate him, however he is not a motivator and he is not a leader vocally. If we build a team of work horses and then sprinkle in some veteran leadership, anything can happen. We need a hungry, passionate leader. We need a guy like Paul Pierce.

[Johnny Hoops]

Jw where the board stands. I know we wont get what he is worth, but im sure he would be willing to waive his NTC in order to play for a competitor.

I believe we should just start fresh and build from the ground up like we should have done YEARS ago. Let Phil build his own team instead of re-building a team for Melo.


Resigning him was smart, because at least now we can get something in return for him. Maybe Chicago is still interested in him?


Not a trade idea.

Shipping Melo to Pat the Rat in Miami is a thought. Melo would get to play with Wade, Bosh, Dragic, Whiteside and potentially have a go at LeBitch.

This deal works.....

Melo for Deng, C-Anderson, J-McRoberts, S-Napier and J-Ennis -- plus we get the #10 pick in this draft and some future pick or picks.
$15M of Deng/Anderson contracts expire next year.

We come out of this draft with #4 and #10. Maybe we package the likes of Deng/McRoberts for a solid 2016 pick. Maybe Deng/Napier to Charlotte for Lance and #9. And we come out of the draft with #4, #9, #10 + Lance and also have 2016 pick.

Obviously all very FAR FETCHED but fun for me to think of moving Melo and Miami is one spot I could see both them and Melo being interested.

[Concrete Jungle]

Actually I wouldn't mind taking Bosh from Miami if we miss on LMA and Gasol.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Illyasova traded to Detroit for Caron Butler and Shawne Williams.
The Bucks could have up to $22M in cap space.
Detroit seems to be planning for life after Greg Monroe.

[FemaleDogPlease]

Illyasova traded to Detroit for Caron Butler and Shawne Williams.
The Bucks could have up to $22M in cap space.
Detroit seems to be planning for life after Greg Monroe.

Ilyasova and Draymond Green seem redundant. Guess they having doubts about that max offer.

[mpharris36]

Illyasova traded to Detroit for Caron Butler and Shawne Williams.
The Bucks could have up to $22M in cap space.
Detroit seems to be planning for life after Greg Monroe.

Ilyasova and Draymond Green seem redundant. Guess they having doubts about that max offer.

no, they understand there is absolutely no way GSW are letting him walk

[Cbrunn2]

Think there would be anyway Philly would get rid of Dario saric if they can buy him out of his contract?

Also I'd love to give Deandre Kane a look ,bring him in camp, what can it hurt

[nykinoz]

My thoughts, for what its worth:
Knicks will sign Rondo and Monroe, Draft WCS and that'll be it.

[Huey Freeman]

My thoughts, for what its worth:
Knicks will sign Rondo and Monroe, Draft WCS and that'll...

...mean that Phil would have greatly disappointed me.