Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

Rasho Brezec · Post #4121 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:31 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I'm not sure Bargnani and JR gets you Ben Gordon, let alone Eric Gordon. You'd have to trade Tyson for him.

not if they want out from his contract, which they do

And they can still get better offer than Bargnani and JR.

Post #4122 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:32 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:Thunder give up way too much and pay the lux tax for it.

there backup PG and a late 1st for a all-star calibre center (that could come in and give them 30+ of productive play.

When westbrook is back jackson becomes less important. They really are just swapping 30 minutes of tyson for perkins and 15 minutes of felton for jackson. I really think they make out really well.

Post #4123 » by **NoLayupRule** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:33 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:I'm not sure Bargnani and JR gets you Ben Gordon, let alone Eric Gordon. You'd have to trade Tyson for him.

not if they want out from his contract, which they do

And they can still get better offer than Bargnani and JR.

not from us

and they haven't yet

just saying no adds nothing to the conversation

our best offer for Gordon and his contract IMO is Bargs and Smith

Mars_Blackmon · Post #4124 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:36 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Mars_Blackmon wrote:Thunder aren't trading their youth

Jackson
Adams
Jones
Lamb
Roberson

will all play big roles for them especially next year

they have a great mix of vets(Perkins, Collison, Fisher), prime players(Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka and Sefolosha) and youth(Jackson, Adams, Jones, Roberson and Lamb)

disagree, they have nothing as long as durant and westbrook aren't playing at a high level. If westbrook is there jackson is limited to a backup role.

THey have gotten zero production out of center the last couple years I think you are really underestimating an all-star calibre center that could come to there team.

THey really wouldn't be breaking up the core (jackson and 1st most likely late) for tyson chandler? OKC would be foolish not to make that deal.

they're going to be fiscally responsible not to mention chemistry is huge, OKC has shown no signs of looking to make a deal regardless of the struggles they are having right now without Westbrook they have a so called top 2 player in Durant, he should be able to keep this team together even if its just playing .500 ball until Westbrook gets back

Post #4125 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:37 pm

dont see the point of adding gordon when we already have shump and THjr

also why would the pelicans want JR, and bargs is impressing the knicks but i doubt he has a lot of value throughout the NBA right now

Rasho Brezec · Post #4126 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:37 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:Thunder give up way too much and pay the lux tax for it.

there backup PG and a late 1st for a all-star calibre center (that could come in and give them 30+ of productive play.

When westbrook is back jackson becomes less important. They really are just swapping 30 minutes of tyson for perkins and 15 minutes of felton for jackson. I really think they make out really well.

What you think Tyson Chandler is worth and what he's actually worth are two different things. It goes against everything they've been doing so far. Reggie Jackson is too good for them to be adding draft picks into the deal and too important with Westbrook out.

Rasho Brezec · Post #4127 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:38 pm

NoLayupRule wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:
NoLayupRule wrote:not if they want out from his contract, which they do

And they can still get better offer than Bargnani and JR.

not from us

and they haven't yet

just saying no adds nothing to the conversation

our best offer for Gordon and his contract IMO is Bargs and Smith

A mere Gordon swap would be better for them and the Bobcats.

Post #4128 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:38 pm

Mars_Blackmon wrote:
they're going to be fiscally responsible not to mention chemistry is huge, OKC has shown no signs of looking to make a deal regardless of the struggles they are having right now without Westbrook they have a so called top 2 player in Durant, he should be able to keep this team together even if its just playing .500 ball until Westbrook gets back

how is that being fiscally irresponsible?

they are basically trading 2 years of tyson for 2 years of that scrub perkins who brings absolutely nothing to the thunder at this point.

he had 1 rebound in 25 minutes last night, and he is suppose to be a defender/rebounder.

Post #4129 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:42 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:Thunder give up way too much and pay the lux tax for it.

there backup PG and a late 1st for a all-star calibre center (that could come in and give them 30+ of productive play.

When westbrook is back jackson becomes less important. They really are just swapping 30 minutes of tyson for perkins and 15 minutes of felton for jackson. I really think they make out really well.

What you think Tyson Chandler is worth and what he's actually worth are two different things. It goes against everything they've been doing so far. Reggie Jackson is too good for them to be adding draft picks into the deal and too important with Westbrook out.

and I think you are overrating reggie jackson (he is a very good young player). But please he is not worth a all star calibre center. From almost anyone in the league Tyson chandler is well respected he is a 10 pt 10 rebound a night guy will strong help defense.

It is exactly what the thunder have been missing. I believe you are over valueing jackson (who is good but his value isn't worth Tyson Chandler)

Mars_Blackmon · Post #4130 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:46 pm

GoodAzzGame_NYK wrote:
Mars_Blackmon wrote:
they're going to be fiscally responsible not to mention chemistry is huge, OKC has shown no signs of looking to make a deal regardless of the struggles they are having right now without Westbrook they have a so called top 2 player in Durant, he should be able to keep this team together even if its just playing .500 ball until Westbrook gets back

how is that being fiscally irresponsible?

they are basically trading 2 years of tyson for 2 years of that scrub perkins who brings absolutely nothing to the thunder at this point.

he had 1 rebound in 25 minutes last night, and he is suppose to be a defender/rebounder.

Chandler makes like 6M more than Perkins they would be over the luxury tax by about 4M and OKC is not interested in doing that right now

Mars_Blackmon · Post #4131 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 6:54 pm

There aren't many buyers right now

the teams that are suppose to be good are, the teams that are suppose to be mediocre or bad are mediocre or bad for the most part

not to mention trading Chandler opens up a huge hole for us

Post #4132 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:06 pm

With the Knicks on an uptick, it would be hard to trade one of their core players right now unless it's a no brainer (in a good way). The Knicks organization hasn't been involved in a good no brainer since the 1985 draft.

Post #4133 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:08 pm

I think right now you obviously continue to see if there is anyone willing to take Smith but otherwise, you're probably just looking to tweak here and there with some minor pieces. Some, thus far unclear, move to acquire Andre Miller might be about as big a move as we'll likely see. That or something like adding Bynum and dropping Aldrich, for example. I don't expect anything bigger. Their "cavalry" likely will be getting Artest healthy by the playoffs and maybe seeing if they can pick up one of the guys currently playing in China once the CBA season is over.

Rasho Brezec · Post #4134 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:08 pm

Tyson + Felton + Jr for Gasol + Nash

That saves Lakers around 8M in luxury taxes they don't want to pay this season and sets us up beautifully for 2015 which is the primary goal. We can still make the playoffs with Gasol being the key guy that makes everything work on offense.

Kolm · Post #4135 » by **Kolm** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:22 pm

JR + Shumpert + MWP + Aldrich + Udrih for Eric Gordon.

We get to clear out JR and get Gordon in return who is better than anything we have @ SG.

Mars_Blackmon · Post #4136 » by **Mars_Blackmon** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:24 pm

If we package Beno, Metta and Cole we can bring back a guy with a salary of 4.2M who can be the much needed glue guy we lack

Post #4137 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:28 pm

Kolm wrote:JR + Shumpert + MWP + Aldrich + Udrih for Eric Gordon.

We get to clear out JR and get Gordon in return who is better than anything we have @ SG.

Would make more sense to swap Shumpert for Hardaway Jr from the Knicks POV. Question is would Gordon be happy playing with the Knicks? Cause he's also a guy that will not play well if he's not happy where he is...like Bargnani.

Post #4138 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:29 pm

There is some chatter about OKC being a possibility. NY probably would need to take back Perkins but it's possible that they would also get a pick out of it. So would something like JR and Udrih for Perkins and a draft pick work for you guys?

Post #4139 » by **mpharris36** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:34 pm

moocow007 wrote:There is some chatter about OKC being a possibility. NY probably would need to take back Perkins but it's possible that they would also get a pick out of it. So would something like JR and Udrih for Perkins and a draft pick work for you guys?

absolutely, sets us up better for 2015.

Also the draft pick could always be used to trade later. Only a couple teams may and i mean may have interest in JR.

All 29 teams would take a draft pick. Ideally I would ask for a 2016 draft pick which then would mean we would have a 1st rounder every year after missing our 2014 pick.

that extra 5 million in 2015 could be huge!

Anotha Knicks fan · Post #4140 » by **Anotha Knicks fan** » Fri Jan 10, 2014 7:51 pm

moocow007 wrote:There is some chatter about OKC being a possibility. NY probably would need to take back Perkins but it's possible that they would also get a pick out of it. So would something like JR and Udrih for Perkins and a draft pick work for you guys?

wheres the chatter coming from? source?