BREAKING **** NEWS: Deal #done Knicks acquire Bargnani

[Knicksfan20]

To our credit, there are probably more posts in this thread than all of the Pelicans board combined

I still think you're all nuts for still arguing over this though

A little more then half actually

We should keep this thread alive and make it our goal to make it have higher posts the their board haha

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Anyway, what do these teams have in common this year: Pacers, Grizz, Heat, and Spurs?

And what do these players have in common: Sam Young, Lance Stephenson, Marc Gasol, Mario Chalmers, Birdman, Norris Cole, Udonis Haslem, Danny Green, Gary Neal, and Manu Ginobli?

2nd round picks are key for building a team, I thought that would become obvious when the player put the dagger in the coffin of the Knicks this season was a 2nd round draft pick.

Young - signed as FA
Gasol - acquired in Pau trade
Chalmers - acquired in a trade for future picks
Birdman - undrafted
Haslem - undrafted
Green - signed as FA
Neal - undrafted

The only guys there that were actually playing for the teams that drafted them in the 2nd round were Manu, Stephenson, and Cole (sort of).

It seems to me that the Knicks could get by alright by signing undrafted rookies or young guys cut by the teams that drafted them.

[SonOfMars]

Wow, I thought you guys were joking.

As of right now, the Pelicans board has a total of 7,442 post

In this thread? We have 4,142

[JustaKnickFan]

There is a much higher chance of Bargs outproducing Novak, Camby, and late 1sts and 2nds than there is of the reverse

Not really.

Bargs last year played like someone that should be in the D-league.

Yet he was much more productive than Novak, Camby, nearly every player taken in the bottom 10 picks of the 1st round last year, and every 2nd round pick last year.

Actually Novak had a higher PER than him.

The pick comparison isn't fair because those players are young and only have had a year to play in the league.

[PornDoc]

Where is the "real GM bus pic let me give u the tour" when u need it?

To our credit, there are probably more posts in this thread than all of the Pelicans board combined

I still think you're all nuts for still arguing over this though

Hey. I've shifted from arguing about the deal to messing with raps trolls. Something needs to be done about some of these guys. It's like Jurassic Park up in this piece.

I've never been over to their board but just checked the stats. It's surprisingly active though. I never knew they cared so much about their crappy team.

[JustaKnickFan]

Anyway, what do these teams have in common this year: Pacers, Grizz, Heat, and Spurs?

And what do these players have in common: Sam Young, Lance Stephenson, Marc Gasol, Mario Chalmers, Birdman, Norris Cole, Udonis Haslem, Danny Green, Gary Neal, and Manu Ginobli?

2nd round picks are key for building a team, I thought that would become obvious when the player put the dagger in the coffin of the Knicks this season was a 2nd round draft pick.

Young - signed as FA
Gasol - acquired in Pau trade
Chalmers - acquired in a trade for future picks
Birdman - undrafted
Haslem - undrafted
Green - signed as FA
Neal - undrafted

The only guys there that were actually playing for the teams that drafted them in the 2nd round were Manu, Stephenson, and Cole (sort of).

It seems to me that the Knicks could get by alright by signing undrafted rookies or young guys cut by the teams that drafted them.

All these guys were undrafted/2nd rounders, so my point is that there IS talent in that 2nd round, and that giving up 2nd rounders just makes it harder to find said talent. It's tougher to get those valuable undrafted guys because there are plenty of other teams after them.

[GONYK]

Anyway, what do these teams have in common this year: Pacers, Grizz, Heat, and Spurs?

And what do these players have in common: Sam Young, Lance Stephenson, Marc Gasol, Mario Chalmers, Birdman, Norris Cole, Udonis Haslem, Danny Green, Gary Neal, and Manu Ginobli?

2nd round picks are key for building a team, I thought that would become obvious when the player put the dagger in the coffin of the Knicks this season was a 2nd round draft pick.

Young - signed as FA
Gasol - acquired in Pau trade
Chalmers - acquired in a trade for future picks
Birdman - undrafted
Haslem - undrafted
Green - signed as FA
Neal - undrafted

The only guys there that were actually playing for the teams that drafted them in the 2nd round were Manu, Stephenson, and Cole (sort of).

It seems to me that the Knicks could get by alright by signing undrafted rookies or young guys cut by the teams that drafted them.

All these guys were undrafted/2nd rounders, so my point is that there IS talent in that 2nd round, and that giving up 2nd rounders just makes it harder to find said talent. It's tougher to get those valuable undrafted guys because there are plenty of other teams after them.

We got CJ Leslie just fine

[MaseInYourFace]

Yeah but you don't need the pick to sign an undrafted player so yeah he did point out a hole in your argument. And here I go back in the Bargs thread.

LMAO.

[johnnywishbone]

The problem is those draft picks, Camby and Novak were our last little bit of flexibility to make deals and we didn't save it for something good. We took the first **** deal that came along.

A high risk, medium to low reward forward who has never played consistent defense or rebounded in his seven year career. The best part of his game is shooting 3s and he isn't even as good as Novak at that.

[Anotha Knicks fan]

Anyway, what do these teams have in common this year: Pacers, Grizz, Heat, and Spurs?

And what do these players have in common: Sam Young, Lance Stephenson, Marc Gasol, Mario Chalmers, Birdman, Norris Cole, Udonis Haslem, Danny Green, Gary Neal, and Manu Ginobli?

2nd round picks are key for building a team, I thought that would become obvious when the player put the dagger in the coffin of the Knicks this season was a 2nd round draft pick.

Young - signed as FA
Gasol - acquired in Pau trade
Chalmers - acquired in a trade for future picks
Birdman - undrafted
Haslem - undrafted
Green - signed as FA
Neal - undrafted

The only guys there that were actually playing for the teams that drafted them in the 2nd round were Manu, Stephenson, and Cole (sort of).

It seems to me that the Knicks could get by alright by signing undrafted rookies or young guys cut by the teams that drafted them.

All these guys were undrafted/2nd rounders, so my point is that there IS talent in that 2nd round, and that giving up 2nd rounders just makes it harder to find said talent. It's tougher to get those valuable undrafted guys because there are plenty of other teams after them.

There are (30) 2nd round draft picks in any given year. Of the thirty that are chosen every year, a small portion seldom make it past the 2nd/3rd year. Of that group, an even smaller group make an impact. The Manus, Gilbert Arenas, Marc Gasol and such are the exception and not the rule. While 2nd rounders shouldn't be frivolously discarded as nothing, they aren't something to cry over if they are used as trade fodder to 1) possibly improve the team, and 2) to reduce cap for a goal.

IMO the hope anyone can have for a second rounder to come in and produce is trumped by the hope that Bargnani can provide, based on what he showed in during the first portion of his career. The injuries he had aren't as debilitating as Amare's nor Shumpert's and he is still relatively young. Add onto that the motivation he lacked while playing in T-Dot, and we may have someone of a decent caliber.

I can understand the precautionary hate he is getting based on his production the last couple of years, and what he does not do... but I at least have optimism on what can provide.

[GONYK]

The problem is those draft picks, Camby and Novak were our last little bit of flexibility to make deals and we didn't save it for something good. We took the first **** deal that came along.

A high risk, medium to low reward forward who has never played consistent defense or rebounded in his seven year career. The best part of his game is shooting 3s and he isn't even as good as Novak at that.

Honestly, in your heart of hearts, you think that package is worth more than what we got?

[johnnywishbone]

The problem is those draft picks, Camby and Novak were our last little bit of flexibility to make deals and we didn't save it for something good. We took the first **** deal that came along.

A high risk, medium to low reward forward who has never played consistent defense or rebounded in his seven year career. The best part of his game is shooting 3s and he isn't even as good as Novak at that.

Honestly, in your heart of hearts, you think that package is worth more than what we got?

Hell yeah. I feel like we just traded for Eddy Curry 2.0.

[Moose]

The trade is a fine gamble for the Knicks.

After the 2015 season, I believe amare, melo, bargs, chandler all come off the books...pretty sure we would have felton's player option, shumps QO, and hardaway Jr on the books...along with cap holds, and any draft picks we end up using/getting.


In short, it is a worthwhile trade for the Knicks. They most likely couldn't get anything close to the talent that bargs has with the assets they possessed. It may not work out, but the deal makes sense for a lot of reasons.


Now please end this thread.

[Knox]

I think a lot of teams are sleeping on Robin Lopez. We should look into picking him up

[LBnySuaveJav23]

Wow, I thought you guys were joking.

As of right now, the Pelicans board has a total of 7,442 post

In this thread? We have 4,142

We'll get there

[True_Shooting]

To our credit, there are probably more posts in this thread than all of the Pelicans board combined

I still think you're all nuts for still arguing over this though

Hey. I've shifted from arguing about the deal to messing with raps trolls. Something needs to be done about some of these guys. It's like Jurassic Park up in this piece.

I've never been over to their board but just checked the stats. It's surprisingly active though. I never knew they cared so much about their crappy team.

I'm surprised at how active your guys board is. You might have as many posts as the Raptors board does.

[F N 11]

Wow, I thought you guys were joking.

As of right now, the Pelicans board has a total of 7,442 post

In this thread? We have 4,142

I feel like Realgm was made for knicks fans and just added other teams lol. Look at the Realgm logo, its knicks colors.

[Anotha Knicks fan]

The problem is those draft picks, Camby and Novak were our last little bit of flexibility to make deals and we didn't save it for something good. We took the first **** deal that came along.

A high risk, medium to low reward forward who has never played consistent defense or rebounded in his seven year career. The best part of his game is shooting 3s and he isn't even as good as Novak at that.

You're right Johnny, but Novak's inability to do anything else pretty much made him a liability on the team when he was on. All the other team had to do was stick someone on him (not even their best defender) and he was shut down. When he can't shoot (only when open) all he did was take up space.

At least with Bargz, there's a possibility of a drive or a mid ranger. Also, just off his height, if he gets his ish together, the opposing team is going to have to either stick a great perimeter defender (a stealing wizard) or a tall player to stick it to him, or he will be able to shoot over them.

The weight of this trade pretty much sits on his motivation and the effort he brings. If he brings none, then he is no better than Novak. If he brings even a little, the possibility of him doing the above things makes him more of a threat.

Before the trade I was against bringing JR back. Now with AB on board, I'd gladly take him. Melo, JR and AB on court... who do you defend? Do you double any of them? I like the offensive threat we now have. Defense?? Yeah, it still leaves a lot to be desired, but the offseason just started...

[Knox]

Wow, I thought you guys were joking.

As of right now, the Pelicans board has a total of 7,442 post

In this thread? We have 4,142

I feel like Realgm was made for knicks fans and just added other teams lol. Look at the Realgm logo, its knicks colors.

*CO SIGN*

[Anotha Knicks fan]

Wow, I thought you guys were joking.

As of right now, the Pelicans board has a total of 7,442 post

In this thread? We have 4,142

I feel like Realgm was made for knicks fans and just added other teams lol. Look at the Realgm logo, its knicks colors.

+1 for you sir. Always felt that way. Thought I was alone.