1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

[moocow007]

We're one of the worst teams when it comes to defending 3pt shots, but it hasn't hurt us that much because we mostly played teams who don't take many 3's. Watch Suns beat us the same way.

The problem is two fold...

The first part is guys getting beat by their man off of the dribble then it triggers the second part which is guys helping off of guys they shouldn't be helping off of.

Defense can be played one of two ways...as a team...or as individuals. Teams like the Spurs and the Sixers and the Celtics play defense as a team. Teams like the Knicks play defense as individuals. A lot harder to maintain and a lot easier to break down. Elite teams will have little problems with the Knicks style of defense. Why? Because you can always figure out a way around it. Team defense, elite team defense, much harder to do so.

[Red Vines]

I'm ready to sign Gilbert Arenas at this point, Bibby is done, and Fields is completely overwhelmed.

[GONYK]

I'm ready to sign Gilbert Arenas at this point, Bibby is done, and Fields is completely overwhelmed.

So they are just like Arenas, except not certified idiots

[ibraheim718]

We're one of the worst teams when it comes to defending 3pt shots, but it hasn't hurt us that much because we mostly played teams who don't take many 3's. Watch Suns beat us the same way.

The problem is two fold...

The first part is guys getting beat by their man off of the dribble then it triggers the second part which is guys helping off of guys they shouldn't be helping off of.

Defense can be played one of two ways...as a team...or as individuals. Teams like the Spurs and the Sixers and the Celtics play defense as a team. Teams like the Knicks play defense as individuals. A lot harder to maintain and a lot easier to break down. Elite teams will have little problems with the Knicks style of defense. Why? Because you can always figure out a way around it. Team defense, elite team defense, much harder to do so.

On a string... a player needs to anticipate his teammate rotating down and helping so he can be 1 step early on rotating to the player that teammate was just guarding and helped off of. A little to complicated and intricate a theory for even both Woodson and D'antoni in a combined thought process to come to in order to teach it to the players who may or may not be equipped mentally to comprehend it and also execute it.

[Red Vines]

I'm ready to sign Gilbert Arenas at this point, Bibby is done, and Fields is completely overwhelmed.

So they are just like Arenas, except not certified idiots

Bibby can't even play 10 minutes and Fields is a shooting guard who is no threat to shoot or guard.

[GONYK]

I'm ready to sign Gilbert Arenas at this point, Bibby is done, and Fields is completely overwhelmed.

So they are just like Arenas, except not certified idiots

Bibby can't even play 10 minutes and Fields is a shooting guard who is no threat to shoot or guard.

Same with Arenas

[E86]

Jared Jefferies coming back during this streak is our problem.

[E86]

Maybe we can get Damon Stoudamire to play point. Whats he up to?

[DuckTales]

When are ya'll going to jump on Amare for playing like garbage?

The guy isn't a superstar. Superstars don't disappear so easily on offense and superstars don't play like crap on offense because they don't have a point guard. Superstars don't let their man, any man, abuse them on offense repeatedly. Amare can't rebound or defend and that means he is completely worthless right now. If he's not scoring he provides nothing to the team. He's a low IQ basketball player more interested in STATS (*cough*) than wins.

STATomire, to me, is a disgrace. Just because he took our 5 year, max offer and gave us 41 wins doesn't make him some sort of franchise legend who doesn't deserve criticism. I think the fact we actually weren't awful last year masked the fact he still didn't play defense or rebound consistently. now that we actually expect to be a great team we can clearly see how this guy is simply not a star player and not a player that represents NY. He can have all the swagger he wants but he slinks away like a scared kitten whenever drives on him. He talks ish when he dunks on someone and thinks he's tough. That's not tough. Tough is playing defense, hard fouling, rebounding, playing with passion every game.

I hate Kevin Garnett. He's a huge douche but he's 10 times the player Amare is, even now. He plays his ass of every game and plays it the right way. When your best player is playing like a straight up biatch the rest of your team will follow. We have two guys who aren't leaders trying to be leaders. Changes need to be made and it doesn't end with the coaching staff. Amare needs to be traded this summer if we want any chance of the Carmelo era succeeding here.

And sorry to tell you but Baron Davis ain't coming in here and dropping 10 assists a game and saving the franchise. That myth needs to end right now. We're not a PG away from accomplishing amazing things. We're a coach and a few tough no-bs players away from becoming a great team. We need more leaders, more people who take pride in defense and less SOFT (yes, I'm calling Amare soft) players on this team. I'm sick and tired of seeing the same thing every season. Different players, different coaches, same results.

[Thugger HBC]

^^ Post is so wrong on many levels.

BTW the Knicks won 42 games last season.

[DuckTales]

^^ Post is so wrong on many levels.

BTW the Knicks won 42 games last season.

I should throw a party now.

Explain why it's wrong, don't just say it. I'd like to hear why.

[kane2021]

The Knicks (6-7) are not thinking "wait till next year," coach Mike D'Antoni said Monday. Though he acknowledged that "we lost a couple of games at home we shouldn't have," he reminded that the team still is waiting for free-agent guard Baron Davis, rehabilitating a herniated disc, to play his first game for the team.

"Right now," D'Antoni said, "we're going to try to win games, win as many as we can, then set it up for the team that we'll have and see if that's good enough. I think it is.''

"We do have two rookies that have never been through a rookie camp or a camp," D'Antoni said, "and we get lost sometimes with switches, defensively or offensively. It's a struggle, remembering plays and different things. So those are normal adjustment periods we'll have."

D'Antoni said he could not say exactly when Davis will return to full practice. "Best-case scenario, for me? Yesterday," he said. "For him, I don't know. But I do think, come Thursday or Friday, we say, 'OK, we take another step' " in throwing Davis into more normal practice situations.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... -1.3456875

“We missed a lot of coverages,” Coach Mike D’Antoni said, adding, “We have rookies out there that forget what we’re doing — not forget, but just not in tune — and those are just steps we got to take. Overall we played hard, we played pretty well.”

Anthony said his ankle was not an issue, but he conceded that his left wrist — which was also injured last Thursday in Memphis — posed some problems.

“Even though I had two hands on the ball, I was really shooting with one,” he said. “I couldn’t really control the ball. So a lot of my shots was long, flat. But that’s neither here nor there. I’ll get better at that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/sport ... Magic.html

I find the bolded part interesting. Really, I dont understand what he is saying at all. Just a bunch of words.

But we'll see if that is good enough? Strange choice of words. What if its not?

[Thugger HBC]

^^ Post is so wrong on many levels.

BTW the Knicks won 42 games last season.

I should throw a party now.

Explain why it's wrong, don't just say it. I'd like to hear why.

Really didn't think is necessary but here it goes.....

This is the first time in Amar'e career he has had to play without a pg, and it shows, but does not mean he is trash, and no he isn't "superstar".

Folks call him that just to be sarcastic.

And to say KG at this point is 10 times better than Amar'e is just plain ridiculous.

I truly believe baron will make this team better if he is healthy, and if Felton could average 8 dimes, I see no reason Baron couldn't get 10.

I think you are under estimating the importance of a pg.

Baron is a good one, and good one's make everyone better.

It's frustrating to watch the team, but in perspective, it's not nearly as bad as it could be.

I would prefer better coaching, and a few more quality players, but as of right now, it is what it is.

[CrazyKnicks]

Time for D'antoni to go, this guy finds ways to lose games.

You never see this team make a good adjustment.

Melo shouldn't be asked to make every play in the 4th. We look so bad when it's not a Melo play. No good offensive sets in general.

We gave them some open 3s by doubling Dwight in the 4th. What's the point of playing Chandler if you're going to double Dwight? I'll live with Dwight trying to score one on one against Tyson. But D'antoni fails to maximize his talent as usual.

Then there's the auto switch on picks which never works but we always try it.

"We do have two rookies that have never been through a rookie camp or a camp," D'Antoni said, "and we get lost sometimes with switches, defensively or offensively. It's a struggle, remembering plays and different things. So those are normal adjustment periods we'll have."

Throwing the rookies under the buss. But we all know the truth..

[NBA Fan 1234]

Lol @ D'Antoni blaming the rookies.

[Thugger HBC]

The Knicks (6-7) are not thinking "wait till next year," coach Mike D'Antoni said Monday. Though he acknowledged that "we lost a couple of games at home we shouldn't have," he reminded that the team still is waiting for free-agent guard Baron Davis, rehabilitating a herniated disc, to play his first game for the team.

"Right now," D'Antoni said, "we're going to try to win games, win as many as we can, then set it up for the team that we'll have and see if that's good enough. I think it is.''

"We do have two rookies that have never been through a rookie camp or a camp," D'Antoni said, "and we get lost sometimes with switches, defensively or offensively. It's a struggle, remembering plays and different things. So those are normal adjustment periods we'll have."

D'Antoni said he could not say exactly when Davis will return to full practice. "Best-case scenario, for me? Yesterday," he said. "For him, I don't know. But I do think, come Thursday or Friday, we say, 'OK, we take another step' " in throwing Davis into more normal practice situations.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketbal ... -1.3456875

“We missed a lot of coverages,” Coach Mike D’Antoni said, adding, “We have rookies out there that forget what we’re doing — not forget, but just not in tune — and those are just steps we got to take. Overall we played hard, we played pretty well.”

Anthony said his ankle was not an issue, but he conceded that his left wrist — which was also injured last Thursday in Memphis — posed some problems.

“Even though I had two hands on the ball, I was really shooting with one,” he said. “I couldn’t really control the ball. So a lot of my shots was long, flat. But that’s neither here nor there. I’ll get better at that.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/17/sport ... Magic.html

I find the bolded part interesting. Really, I dont understand what he is saying at all. Just a bunch of words.

But we'll see if that is good enough? Strange choice of words. What if its not?

I think D'antoni is just waiting for Baron Davis, and would like the team to at least be .500, so the pressure isn't ridiculously on him.

That's how the bold sounded to me.

[DuckTales]

^^ Post is so wrong on many levels.

BTW the Knicks won 42 games last season.

I should throw a party now.

Explain why it's wrong, don't just say it. I'd like to hear why.

Really didn't think is necessary but here it goes.....

This is the first time in Amar'e career he has had to play without a pg, and it shows, but does not mean he is trash, and no he isn't "superstar".

Folks call him that just to be sarcastic.

And to say KG at this point is 10 times better than Amar'e is just plain ridiculous.

I truly believe baron will make this team better if he is healthy, and if Felton could average 8 dimes, I see no reason Baron couldn't get 10.

I think you are under estimating the importance of a pg.

Baron is a good one, and good one's make everyone better.

It's frustrating to watch the team, but in perspective, it's not nearly as bad as it could be.

I would prefer better coaching, and a few more quality players, but as of right now, it is what it is.

If I could trade Amare right now for prime Charles Oakley I would. What you lose in talent you gain in toughness and defense and rebounding. And guess what? At the end of the day, as Carmelo looks like to say, defense is going to win you a championship. Amar'e running out of the way any time anyone drives on him will not win us a championship. Amare seems to be mentally weak and cannot handle the pressure when the going gets tough. The going is tough right now and he continues to play like garbage on both ends. Amare is paid superstar money and the Knicks advertise him as one so naturally fans expect him to be one. He isn't, though. If I could trade Amare for Deron I would do it yesterday. I am tired of sticking up for Amare. I was signing his praises for a long time but it's clear to me he plays more for himself than the team.

This team right now is lacking severely in mental toughness. It's not just PG play. The offense wasn't awful today and it has shown flashes of being good. The team just seems to quit during games and it's getting pathetic at this point. They don't play hard for 48 minutes and this is maddening to any fan. I want to see a team leave their hearts on the court every night, even if they're off that game and get blown out. Just play hard. Don't slack off and let guys like Ryan Anderson clown you. This happens way too often for me to overlook it. Baron Davis wont change this part of the game. The team needs to develop that mentality.

If you believe Baron Davis (32 years old, bad back, history of injuries) is coming in here and we're suddenly dominating people I think you're going to be in for a rude awakening. The dynamic of the team will change, sure, but not drastically enough to make this team go from mediocre to elite.

[ctorres]

Really, if we can stay at around .500 with our big three reasonably healthy until Baron Davis gets here, it would be a miracle. In all my years following the Knicks, this is the first year I've ever seen how hard it is to run a team without a point guard. Even Chris Duhon would do wonders with this group.

[Thugger HBC]

If I could trade Amare right now for prime Charles Oakley I would. What you lose in talent you gain in toughness and defense and rebounding. And guess what? At the end of the day, as Carmelo looks like to say, defense is going to win you a championship. Amar'e running out of the way any time anyone drives on him will not win us a championship. Amare seems to be mentally weak and cannot handle the pressure when the going gets tough. The going is tough right now and he continues to play like garbage on both ends. Amare is paid superstar money and the Knicks advertise him as one so naturally fans expect him to be one. He isn't, though. If I could trade Amare for Deron I would do it yesterday. I am tired of sticking up for Amare. I was signing his praises for a long time but it's clear to me he plays more for himself than the team.

This team right now is lacking severely in mental toughness. It's not just PG play. The offense wasn't awful today and it has shown flashes of being good. The team just seems to quit during games and it's getting pathetic at this point. They don't play hard for 48 minutes and this is maddening to any fan. I want to see a team leave their hearts on the court every night, even if they're off that game and get blown out. Just play hard. Don't slack off and let guys like Ryan Anderson clown you. This happens way too often for me to overlook it. Baron Davis wont change this part of the game. The team needs to develop that mentality.

If you believe Baron Davis (32 years old, bad back, history of injuries) is coming in here and we're suddenly dominating people I think you're going to be in for a rude awakening. The dynamic of the team will change, sure, but not drastically enough to make this team go from mediocre to elite.

Everything you said can be pointed directly at D'antoni.

[Thugger HBC]

Really, if we can stay at around .500 with our big three reasonably healthy until Baron Davis gets here, it would be a miracle. In all my years following the Knicks, this is the first year I've ever seen how hard it is to run a team without a point guard. Even Chris Duhon would do wonders with this group.

Fully agree.

Any pg with decent passing skills would help this team right now from an offense standpoint.