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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3)

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#421 » by sinjz » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:47 pm

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mpharris36 wrote:maybe the knicks spread that rumor to deter teams from offering him so much...of course there is a limit for anything. The "1 billion dollars" comment was just talk. Lin had to know where the knicks were at.


You actually think the Knicks told Lin 'Accept offers up to this amount and we'll match, go over taht and we won't'?


no but he is not a dummy to know how his contract would effect the luxary tax....or do u think he was oblivious to that


You are assuming he knew what that cut off would be. I'm assuming he didn't and took the best offer he could get. You are assuming he knew and said screw the Knicks I want the cash now. I maintain he likely thought the Knicks would match anything, cause the Knicks said as much.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#422 » by Never Wrong » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:47 pm

On whether Lin appreciated Anthony's gesture, the second-year player said, "Of course! ... I didn't hear about that until after the game.


He doesn't know whether it happened or not. But under the assumption that he did, he appreciates it. How can he confirm it if he wasn't even there when it "happened"? And if both D'Antoni and Grunwald denies it how can it be true?
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#423 » by XcalibuR » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:47 pm

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maybe the knicks spread that rumor to deter teams from offering him so much...of course there is a limit for anything. The "1 billion dollars" comment was just talk. Lin had to know where the knicks were at.


Its not up to Lin to "know where the knicks are at". He was told to get market value and he did. You are expecting way more from him than from any other player. The guy signed a fair deal, 25 mill over 3 years is not that much when you have Eric Gordon getting twice that. And how would that deter teams from offering him too much? Those type of statements just made Lin believe that he was actually wanted and that he could go get the best possible deal. Now the Knicks are just taking that statement back? Whose showing the disrespect here?
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#424 » by NYK210 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:48 pm

No Lin better hope Amare & Felton can play outta their mind or this was all for nothing
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#425 » by Smoke24 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:48 pm

sinjz wrote:I swear I saw something, maybe on TMZ, where they brought it up to him and he was surprised. Anybody know what I'm talking about??? I swear I'm not crazy?!?!?! :D


Don't worry, everyone who has participated in this thread is crazy, then that makes everyone normal, so your normal, in a crazy way :lol:
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#426 » by suicidedeuce » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:48 pm

mpharris36 wrote:who said he was "begging" for more money. He has every right to get every dime he wants...Lin is not a dummy he knew what he was doing...good for him getting his, he obviously didn't care about location.

Stupid for me to think he actually liked playing here and happy he got the opportunity to play on this stage with other good players rather then go to sucky Houston.


At what point when you're trying to buy a new car do you stop negotiating, assuming that it's only fair that the salesman and dealership make some money?

Again, here is what we don't know.

We don't know what Lin is worth to the Knicks.

Let me repeat that.

We don't know what Lin is worth to the Knicks.

So for us, to decide where Lin should stop trying to get paid what's possible under the CBA and assume that he's gotten enough, is utterly arbitrary.

NO ONE knows if $7 the third year, or $10m, or $15m is the KNicks limit. For all we know it could be $25m.

That's the point, WE DON'T know.

You're asking Lin to possibly leave money on the table, when for ALL we and he knows, he could be worth EVERY dime he can possibly get.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#427 » by Pharmcat » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:48 pm

is it possible lins market revenue has been overstated and ny's #s dont think its high enough to offset the lux tax pmts?
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#428 » by Fury » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:48 pm

I'm gonna take a nap. When I wake up, I hope I'm still a Knick fan
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#429 » by Thugger HBC » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:49 pm

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Actually I don't think Lin ever confirmed it. I think he reaction was 'Wow, really, I didn't know that.' D'antoni outright denied it.



Appearing with Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton Thursday morning on WFAN, Lin said he has a good relationship with Anthony and can’t understand the concern about the two of them playing together in the Knick lineup.

“I am confused by that, because the guy vouched for me in the first place,” said Lin, who went on to confirm reports that he got his shot in the Knicks lineup because Anthony, apparently frustrated with having to run the offense, asked Knicks coach Mike D’Antoni to give Lin a chance.


http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02 ... cks-lineup

This was not Lin's first reaction. In the first interview he was asked straight up if he knew about it and he said no. Him referring to Melo "vouching" for him is more in reference to what he's heard. He has never confirmed whether or not it was true because he doesn't know. He doesn't have firsthand knowledge of it.

He found out about it after the fact.

It could have been as simple as Melo walking past D'antoni and saying, Why not play the kid before you cut him".

but to me the simple fact Lin is treating it as accurate in his own words is pretty concrete on his belief of how it unfolded.

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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#430 » by ITALIA17 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:49 pm

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maybe the knicks spread that rumor to deter teams from offering him so much...of course there is a limit for anything. The "1 billion dollars" comment was just talk. Lin had to know where the knicks were at.


Its not up to Lin to "know where the knicks are at". He was told to get market value and he did. You are expecting way more from him than from any other player. The guy signed a fair deal, 25 mill over 3 years is not that much when you have Eric Gordon getting twice that. And how would that deter teams from offering him too much? Those type of statements just made Lin believe that he was actually wanted and that he could go get the best possible deal. Now the Knicks are just taking that statement back? Whose showing the disrespect here?


I guess the Knicks Luxury tax never popped into LINS mind. Lin obviously knew how much it would cost the knicks if he signed that deal. Hes not an idiot. He knew he wouldnt be a knick by taking that
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#431 » by mpharris36 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:49 pm

YOU GUYS AREN"T GETTING IT

ok lets clear this up right now...the money is not the issue if the knicks dont match.

the clearly feel d*ck over by morey and lin that they changed the deal to make it worse for the knicks to match. Dolan and Knicks FO feels slighted like they were dooped.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#432 » by 13th Man » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:49 pm

sinjz wrote:Does keeping Lin negatively affect our ability to sign players or make trades in the next three years? I'm currently of the belief that it does NOT. I think we are are pretty much set as a team for the next three years REGARDLESS of whether we match Lin or not; We are capped out regardless. If that's the case, I don't see why there is any debate over this, we would need to match Lin.

Does this push us from MLE to a MMLE? If not, then it looks like the only difference on the basketball court would be Lin or some guy off the street. If that's the choice how do you not choose Lin? At worse, if he sucks we trade him for a 2nd rounder or something. At best he helps us go for a championship. If he's something in between, he's a trade chip.

Off court stuff - if you complain about the luxury tax, you can't ignore the fact he'll bring extra attention and cash to the club; probably MUCH more than what the luxury tax would cost.

So basically can somebody explain to me basketball management wise, why we aren't bringing him back?


I will take a stab at this and play devi'ls advocate from management's propsective. FTR, I would match Lin but here are the reasons why I think they wouldn't.

1) Financially. Signing him will probably not affect future signings however it does hit Dolan hard in the pocketbook. We cannot assume that money means nothing to a billionaire, he got to where he is by making smart financial decisions.

2) Emotion. I am positive that management is still boiled over how negotiations transpired. They were banking on a 3rd year of 9mil and received a last minute jolt. Needeless to say they weren't too pleased with this and maybe felt like they were taken advantage of. Personally, I feel that the entire thing was handled wrong from the getgo and it just snowballed into something worse on both sides. But his is their way of getting back at Lin, his agent and the Houston Rockets.

3) Lin's relationship with Woodson, Melo and Stoudemire. It's no secret that Lin style is not complimentary to the others. Stat pushed hard for Nash, Melo's game has never gelled with Lin's and he even went as far as saying that his contract is 'Ridiculous'. Despite Woodson publicly saying that Lin would be the starter, anyone that knows his system knows that he's was itching to start Barren Davids over Lin last season and probably would even start Kidd over Lin if it was really up to him.

4) Control. Management probably felt that Lin was getting a little bit too big for his britches so this is their way of saying we control this team, not you.

There you have it. I believe this would be a huge mistake PR wise for the Knicks and only plays further into Lin's "underdog" story where nobody has given him a real chance including this instance here. I think that there will be severe backlash from the entire league and fans around the NBA. All they know is that Linsanity came out of nowhere, made a big splash and now is denied yet again another chance to prove himself.

As for Lin, he will have a lot less pressure on him in Houston and will have a better chance of flourishing there as well since they don't have any stars at the moment.
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Post#433 » by god shammgod » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:50 pm

Pharmcat wrote:is it possible lins market revenue has been overstated and ny's #s dont think its high enough to offset the lux tax pmts?


yep. i was thinking the same thing. those t-shirts were going for 75 percent off not too long after linsanity died down. i wonder what the tv numbers were ?
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#434 » by ITALIA17 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:50 pm

mpharris36 wrote:ok lets clear this up right now...the money is not the issue if the knicks dont match.

the clearly feel d*ck over by morey and lin that they changed the deal to make it worse for the knicks to match. Dolan and Knicks FO feels slighted like they were dooped.


Your looking at over 30million dollars in year 3 for LIN with taxes included. Rumors have as high as 40. He is not CP3, he is not worth that kinda money.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#435 » by Never Wrong » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:50 pm

Thugger HBC wrote:He found out about it after the fact.

It could have been as simple as Melo walking past D'antoni and saying, Why not play the kid before you cut him".

but to me the simple fact Lin is treating it as accurate in his own words is pretty concrete on his belief of how it unfolded.

That's all that matters.

And that's fine that he believes it. Great. But it doesn't make it true when he doesn't even really know himself and he can only go by what Melo says since D'Antoni and Grunwald denied it.
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Post#436 » by sinjz » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:51 pm

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And he barely gets any recognition for this loyal and selfless act. SMH


He didn't take less money for loyalty. He took less to get his early bird right next year and a chance to up his market value. At least be honest about this stuff!


really? Beacause he couldn't get his bird rights by playing for more money on any other team in the NBA?


Exactly. He'd have to start over in accumulating the years. Beside what huge offer was made to him?! You guys are acting like someone rolled up with a 5 year $50 mill offer that he turned down or something. That never happened.
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Post#437 » by Grinditout » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:51 pm

I'll randomly post stuff to try and keep everyone calm lol

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Post#438 » by sinjz » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:51 pm

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who said he was "begging" for more money. He has every right to get every dime he wants...Lin is not a dummy he knew what he was doing...good for him getting his, he obviously didn't care about location.

Stupid for me to think he actually liked playing here and happy he got the opportunity to play on this stage with other good players rather then go to sucky Houston.


It's stupid for you to assume it's his fault for getting a contract from Houston when the Knicks never made him an offer of their own. What was he supposed to do? Not sign with anyone accept the minimum from the Knicks?


Yet everyone else said the Knicks would be morons for even offering anything to LIN since they would be bidding against themselves.

He knew hte knicks wanted him and would pay him. He just screwed himself but getting TOO MUCH money that the knicks wouldnt match. Screwed himself in the sense that if he wanted to stay a knick, he messed up



Link please. I NEVER heard that!
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#439 » by Oscirus » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:52 pm

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really? Beacause he couldn't get his bird rights by playing for more money on any other team in the NBA?

Yeah, he couldn't. Early Bird Rights are conveyed when you play for same team for two consecutive seasons.


If Fields could get a contract for 3 years 20 mil Im fairly certain that theres some team out there that would give Smith a multi year bloated contract.
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Re: Felton traded to Knicks; Not matching Lin? (part 3) 

Post#440 » by CU_NY09 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:52 pm

21shumpst wrote:Tony ‏@TonyNYsays
@206Child @KnicksFanBlog @KnicksJournal "Go test the market for yourself...just don't sign the best deal you can get." Please.
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This pretty much sums it up. So much fail in this situation, not even funny.


I just don't get it.

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