Around the nba part 6

Fury · Post #421 » by **Fury** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:18 am

We not only **** up in the Melo trade, but we **** up by not taking a PG, and who knows if we would have drafted Shumpert over Faried if Wilson and Gallo are here. It's a series of events that led to the shithole we're in.

Post #422 » by **GONYK** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:19 am

ibraheim718 wrote:You guys can't act like Gallinari and Chandler don't contribute.. that's not fair.. besides in my eyes since Melo was walking anyway they pretty much got those guys and the draft pick for free.. we also cut Brewer who they picked up... and if you want to be fair we had a draft pick ahead of those guys and as of right now they made better use of their pick by drafting Faried.. we had the chance to take Faried but we passed. The guys they got may be role players but they're good role players they got in return for a guy who was going to bounce.. it was either that or a trade exception and a pick or two similar to what Cleveland got or Toronto.

Gallo and Chandler definitely contribute, you will never get me to say otherwise. But they aren't the reason that Denver is what it is.

Faried has nothing to do with us.

Bran Fast Hands · Post #423 » by **Bran Fast Hands** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:19 am

GONYK wrote:
Bran Fast Hands wrote:
GONYK wrote:
This is some blatant reaching

Really? Because Andre Miller for Raymond Felton is pretty obvisous. And Ty Lawson would have been behind Chauncey in their backcourt last season. They trade helped give him the keys in the back court and now look how he is going. Just because you're a Knicks fan doesn't mean that you can;t admit that Denver got a really good deal that has worked out very well for them in that trade. And I understand it's worked out well for the Knicks as well, from a marketing and money making front.

Both teams got what they needed out of the trade. It wasn't a fleecing.

How can it be a fleecing when we definitely improved? Isn't that the end result that both teams had in mind?

Thats fair, I guess I should wait to after the playoffs before making statements like that. But if I'm a Denver fan I'm stoked at how that whole trade worked out. Couldn't have gone much better really.

Post #424 » by **GONYK** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:21 am

Fury wrote:We not only **** up in the Melo trade, but we **** up by not taking a PG, and who knows if we would have drafted Shumpert over Faried if Wilson and Gallo are here. It's a series of events that led to the **** we're in.

How do we get Melo and keep Wilson and Gallo?

Post #425 » by **GONYK** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:22 am

Bran Fast Hands wrote:
Thats fair, I guess I should wait to after the playoffs before making statements like that. But if I'm a Denver fan I'm stoked at how that whole trade worked out. Couldn't have gone much better really.

I completely agree with that. No argument there. They have one exciting team.

I don't think our biggest issue was the Melo trade. I think we overpaid given the leverage we should have had, but we could have easily mitigated that by making better subsequent decisions.

ibraheim718 · Post #426 » by **ibraheim718** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:23 am

GONYK wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:You guys can't act like Gallinari and Chandler don't contribute.. that's not fair.. besides in my eyes since Melo was walking anyway they pretty much got those guys and the draft pick for free.. we also cut Brewer who they picked up... and if you want to be fair we had a draft pick ahead of those guys and as of right now they made better use of their pick by drafting Faried.. we had the chance to take Faried but we passed. The guys they got may be role players but they're good role players they got in return for a guy who was going to bounce.. it was either that or a trade exception and a pick or two similar to what Cleveland got or Toronto.

Gallo and Chandler definitely contribute, you will never get me to say otherwise. But they aren't the reason that Denver is what it is.

Faried has nothing to do with us.

Faried kind of does because we could've drafted him... We could've drafted Lawson also.. it comes down to the fact that if you're going to compare franchises you kind of have to think they have better scouts than we do which in turn helps their cause when your comparing the two franchises which is always going to be done.. until Melo retires the two teams will always be compared and it's not always going to be just the exact moving parts of the trade that are compared either.

As regards to the reason they're the team they are I don't think you can pinpoint to one player.. at least I can't because every point guard should be the most integral part of a basketball team.. so Lawson should be the "engine" he should be the team that makes them go.. but the other guys need to fill roles and also learn to take a step back if it's not their night.

Fury · Post #427 » by **Fury** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:23 am

GONYK wrote:
Fury wrote:We not only **** up in the Melo trade, but we **** up by not taking a PG, and who knows if we would have drafted Shumpert over Faried if Wilson and Gallo are here. It's a series of events that led to the **** we're in.

How do we get Melo and keep Wilson and Gallo?

Hold firm and hope Melo changes his mind. Whatever man. This is all hypothetical. The trade obviously isn't working out for us because other than Chandler, we've surrounded him with ****.

ibraheim718 · Post #428 » by **ibraheim718** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:25 am

Bran Fast Hands wrote:

Thats fair, I guess I should wait to after the playoffs before making statements like that. But if I'm a Denver fan I'm stoked at how that whole trade worked out. Couldn't have gone much better really.

I'll tell you this first hand because my brother lives in Denver... they don't miss him up there at all. If anything Knicks fans... the ones that do miss Gallinari.. miss him and a couple of other former players more than they miss Melo in Denver.

EDIT: But that probably has something to do with how he left.

Post #429 » by **kane2021** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:26 am

Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.

Post #430 » by **GONYK** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:27 am

ibraheim718 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
ibraheim718 wrote:You guys can't act like Gallinari and Chandler don't contribute.. that's not fair.. besides in my eyes since Melo was walking anyway they pretty much got those guys and the draft pick for free.. we also cut Brewer who they picked up... and if you want to be fair we had a draft pick ahead of those guys and as of right now they made better use of their pick by drafting Faried.. we had the chance to take Faried but we passed. The guys they got may be role players but they're good role players they got in return for a guy who was going to bounce.. it was either that or a trade exception and a pick or two similar to what Cleveland got or Toronto.

Gallo and Chandler definitely contribute, you will never get me to say otherwise. But they aren't the reason that Denver is what it is.

Faried has nothing to do with us.

Faried kind of does because we could've drafted him... We could've drafted Lawson also.. it comes down to the fact that if you're going to compare franchises you kind of have to think they have better scouts than we do which in turn helps their cause when your comparing the two franchises which is always going to be done.. until Melo retires the two teams will always be compared and it's not always going to be just the exact moving parts of the trade that are compared either.

As regards to the reason they're the team they are I don't think you can pinpoint to one player.. at least I can't because every point guard should be the most integral part of a basketball team.. so Lawson should be the "engine" he should be the team that makes them go.. but the other guys need to fill roles and also learn to take a step back if it's not their night.

I wasn't comparing franchises. I was just debating the merits of the Melo trade in relation to their current success.

Denver has made excellent moves. I have no interest in taking them down as an organization.

Bran Fast Hands · Post #431 » by **Bran Fast Hands** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:27 am

kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.

And we'd be a better team with Chris Paul at point guard right now.

Fury · Post #432 » by **Fury** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:27 am

kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.

Nah. They run up and down and their depth helps. Melo would feel weird not taking 18-20 shots a game.

Post #433 » by **GONYK** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:28 am

kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.

And they could have had Faried and Lawson and Dre Miller with him.

ibraheim718 · Post #434 » by **ibraheim718** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:28 am

kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.

I don't know about that.. because their whole philosophy.. the style of ball they play isn't the style of play Melo necessarily thrives in.

Post #435 » by **GONYK** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:28 am

Fury wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Fury wrote:We not only **** up in the Melo trade, but we **** up by not taking a PG, and who knows if we would have drafted Shumpert over Faried if Wilson and Gallo are here. It's a series of events that led to the **** we're in.

How do we get Melo and keep Wilson and Gallo?

Hold firm and hope Melo changes his mind. Whatever man. This is all hypothetical. The trade obviously isn't working out for us because other than Chandler, we've surrounded him with ****.

That has nothing to do with the trade though

ibraheim718 · Post #436 » by **ibraheim718** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:29 am

GONYK wrote:
I wasn't comparing franchises. I was just debating the merits of the Melo trade in relation to their current success.

Denver has made excellent moves. I have no interest in taking them down as an organization.

Oh no.. I know you don't. I'm just saying in general.

Stannis · Post #437 » by **Stannis** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:29 am

GONYK wrote:
kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.

And they could have had Faried and Lawson and Dre Miller with him.

Raymond Felton was the one traded for Andre Miller, no?

Or are you saying they would have traded Billups for Miller?

Drun53 · Post #438 » by **Drun53** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:29 am

I'm much more upset at the Knicks not retaining Lin and letting him go for nothing than I am about the Melo trade. As every Knick fan should be. Denver did very well considering the circumstances they were in, of course, and it would have been really nice if the Knicks could have gotten Melo via free agency instead (thus being allowed to keep Gallo).

But Melo, LIKE ALMOST EVERY OTHER ATLEHTE WOULD, wanted the Knicks AND money. Thus, the Knicks had to give up more. It is what it is. I was a big Gallo fan, and still am, and enjoy watching the Nuggets. But the Knicks have still significantly improved, and there is no denying that.

A couple of better offseason moves along with a healthier season, and I bet a lot fewer people are complaining about the trade. Basically, my point is that people are upset at the Knicks struggles and point to the trade, when a lot of the struggles are not because of the trade, but because of the FA moves and injuries that have occurred afterwards.

ibraheim718 · Post #439 » by **ibraheim718** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:30 am

Fury wrote:
kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.

Nah. They run up and down and their depth helps. Melo would feel weird not taking 18-20 shots a game.

This.. for Melo you have to build a team a specific way.. similar to how Philly built around Iverson.. eerily similar.

Manimal · Post #440 » by **Manimal** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:30 am

kane2021 wrote:Denver would be a better team with carmelo at the small forward spot right now.

They'd have more talent with Carmelo at the small forward spot. They wouldn't be a better team or have anymore wins.