Draftexpress drops Mudiay down to pick #6 today

[Signature NYK]

If WCS is Tyson with a legit mid range game then I would look into trading down lol even with his dumbass middle name

[ctorres]

he looks good but who knows. let me see him shoot with someone running at him every time. jared jeffries couldn't miss in practice either.

That release is way too slow to be effective in an actual game. It's encouraging to see, but I think it's being taken too seriously at the moment. People penciling him in as an all-star based on 4 mins of slow, open jumpers is a bit much.

Is it impossible to develop a quicker release over time?

[ctorres]

If WCS is Tyson with a legit mid range game then I would look into trading down lol even with his dumbass middle name

I think there is a misconception with trading down.

It's not a given that a team selecting WCS would trade him for any of the other players the Knicks would select at #4.

[god4gives]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62155/how-would-willie-cauley-stein-fit-the-knicks

How does Cauley-Stein fit in the triangle?

Unlike Duke’s Jahlil Okafor or Kentucky teammate Karl Anthony-Towns, Cauley-Stein’s potential on offense is limited.

The former high school wide receiver relies on his athleticism and length. He runs the floor well. But in the triangle, Cauley-Stein would have to be able to pass and offer some kind of scoring, whether out of the post or with a midrange game.

Cauley-Stein has plenty of room for offensive improvement, and he would have to develop his skills to shine in the triangle.

“He’s very challenged offensively,” said MSG Network analyst Wally Szczerbiak, who also is a college basketball analyst for CBS Sports Network. “He’ll pick, he’ll roll and he’ll catch an alley-oop and maybe get some tip dunks. But you can’t throw him the ball in the triangle and ask him to score, you just can’t. I don’t know if he’ll develop a jumper, but he’s been in college a few years now and he hasn't really developed much offensively at all.”

The junior averaged 8.9 points and 6.4 rebounds last season while shooting 57.2 percent from the field on a loaded Kentucky squad.

Unlike Okafor, Cauley-Stein does not have a back-to-the-basket game. And unlike Anthony-Towns, Cauley-Stein does not have much potential to shoot from the perimeter.

“His size, his length is freakish,” Szczerbiak said. “But his skill level is so limited that that really worries me. In the triangle system, you need to be a really smart basketball player and you need to be very skilled.

“I just don’t know if he can develop enough to have an impact in the triangle. When he’s out there on the floor, he’s going to be a liability. He doesn't demand much [attention] so [opponents will ] be able to double off of him.”

[GONYK]

he looks good but who knows. let me see him shoot with someone running at him every time. jared jeffries couldn't miss in practice either.

That release is way too slow to be effective in an actual game. It's encouraging to see, but I think it's being taken too seriously at the moment. People penciling him in as an all-star based on 4 mins of slow, open jumpers is a bit much.

Is it impossible to develop a quicker release over time?

Not really, but it can certainly affect the shot. We've seen it happen to our very own Landry Fields.

Tyson Chandler was a fairly good shooter from midrange when given the time to shoot. He just rarely had the time to get the shot off completely unharassed.

Like I said, this in encouraging, but I wouldn't immediately start factoring in a reliable jumper for WCS simply based on that video.

[Kenyon009]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

[ctorres]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

If we land Wade this summer, which is looking more and more likely, we would have two all time greats with him and Melo.

[Signature NYK]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

You're gonna love watching the Knicks fail?

[Juggynaut]

Yeah I don't see WCS being a mid range shooter, it's all about being able to hit fts for me.

[Deeeez Knicks]

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york-knicks/post/_/id/62155/how-would-willie-cauley-stein-fit-the-knicks

How does Cauley-Stein fit in the triangle?

Unlike Duke’s Jahlil Okafor or Kentucky teammate Karl Anthony-Towns, Cauley-Stein’s potential on offense is limited.

The former high school wide receiver relies on his athleticism and length. He runs the floor well. But in the triangle, Cauley-Stein would have to be able to pass and offer some kind of scoring, whether out of the post or with a midrange game.

Cauley-Stein has plenty of room for offensive improvement, and he would have to develop his skills to shine in the triangle.

“He’s very challenged offensively,” said MSG Network analyst Wally Szczerbiak, who also is a college basketball analyst for CBS Sports Network. “He’ll pick, he’ll roll and he’ll catch an alley-oop and maybe get some tip dunks. But you can’t throw him the ball in the triangle and ask him to score, you just can’t. I don’t know if he’ll develop a jumper, but he’s been in college a few years now and he hasn't really developed much offensively at all.”

The junior averaged 8.9 points and 6.4 rebounds last season while shooting 57.2 percent from the field on a loaded Kentucky squad.

Unlike Okafor, Cauley-Stein does not have a back-to-the-basket game. And unlike Anthony-Towns, Cauley-Stein does not have much potential to shoot from the perimeter.

“His size, his length is freakish,” Szczerbiak said. “But his skill level is so limited that that really worries me. In the triangle system, you need to be a really smart basketball player and you need to be very skilled.

“I just don’t know if he can develop enough to have an impact in the triangle. When he’s out there on the floor, he’s going to be a liability. He doesn't demand much [attention] so [opponents will ] be able to double off of him.”

Yeah, I am with Wally. You can't expect him to develop a consistent jumper. At #4 he shouldnt even be a consideration

[TrueWarrior]

he looks good but who knows. let me see him shoot with someone running at him every time. jared jeffries couldn't miss in practice either.

That release is way too slow to be effective in an actual game. It's encouraging to see, but I think it's being taken too seriously at the moment. People penciling him in as an all-star based on 4 mins of slow, open jumpers is a bit much.

It doesn't look that slow to me. I remember when everyone said Mirotic had a sloth like release, and he still kinda does, but it works for him.

This Stein vid isn't even that heavily edited. He's nailing multiple threes in a row like they're nothing, and DX did say he shot very well overall. Open gym or not his form looks good. We talk about Mudiay being a possible workout warrior but if Stein keeps shooting like this I have a hard time seeing Phil passing on him, considering the things he said about the center he wants.

Stein would still need a guy like Mudiay to create those open looks for him though. That's the problem. So I'm rollin with Mudiay. I also question Trill's attitude, because to me he'll get engulfed by NYC and turn into a bigger JR. He's a clown.

Personally I want to see Stein on the Kings next to Boogie. That would be somethin. After this vid though I'm not AS down on Stein as before. Whether any of it ever translates into NBA games is a huge question mark, and he didn't show any of it at Kentucky besides a handful of jumpers but even Towns didn't show his full game there, so Stein may have a little more upside than we thought. The dude looks like a more athletic/stronger Porzingis .

[Kenyon009]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

If we land Wade this summer, which is looking more and more likely, we would have two all time greats with him and Melo.

Wade isn't an all time great anymore. He's falling out his prime fast, he can't even play in back to backs anymore. I would just want him around to maybe mentor the fourth pick and the other young talent on the team. He could end up being the Pierce to the roster next season. I'd take him on that alone, not to mention his cap hit will be a lot lower when the CBA hits.

[Kenyon009]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

You're gonna love watching the Knicks fail?

The triangle isn't something I think will work for the the roster next season. The system should maximize players skills not make the players fit the system. I think that's dumb, skipping on a possibly great point guard prospect in Mudiay because he doesn't fit in some bullisht system is even worse.

[kane]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

If we land Wade this summer, which is looking more and more likely, we would have two all time greats with him and Melo.

What good is wade? There's no way in hell hes going to play a full 82 and most likely he's at best a 20 min a night guy... And you want to throw big money at that guy? Lmao it will be amare all over again

[Kenyon009]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

If we land Wade this summer, which is looking more and more likely, we would have two all time greats with him and Melo.

What good is wade? There's no way in hell hes going to play a full 82 and most likely he's at best a 20 min a night guy... And you want to throw big money as that guy? Lmao it will be amare all over again

I would just want him in the playoffs. Hell I would even let him sit out games against sub 500 teams, getting to the playoffs in the East should be easy with only Melo on the roster.

[kane]

If we land Wade this summer, which is looking more and more likely, we would have two all time greats with him and Melo.

What good is wade? There's no way in hell hes going to play a full 82 and most likely he's at best a 20 min a night guy... And you want to throw big money as that guy? Lmao it will be amare all over again

I would just want him in the playoffs. Hell I would even let him sit out games against sub 500 teams, getting to the playoffs in the East should be easy with only Melo on the roster.

There's no way he would leave Miami unless it was to go to a contender or if we throw max money at him... And right now he's just a glorified Ray Allen and only worth close to the min

[Kenyon009]

What good is wade? There's no way in hell hes going to play a full 82 and most likely he's at best a 20 min a night guy... And you want to throw big money as that guy? Lmao it will be amare all over again

I would just want him in the playoffs. Hell I would even let him sit out games against sub 500 teams, getting to the playoffs in the East should be easy with only Melo on the roster.

There's no way he would leave Miami unless it was to go to a contender or if we throw max money at him... And right now he's just a glorified Ray Allen and only worth close to the min

What?

He's not getting the max from anyone. I would give him a 12-14 million for 3 years though. Considering his injury history that's more than fair enough there isn't another contender that will pay him that much, if Riley pisses him off well enough it would mean he'll come here.

The 12-14 million is going to be starter level money in the coming years so I wouldn't mind giving it to him. He would fit well in the triangle with his decent post game as well and he has that IT factor that'll help in the playoffs for sure.

[BowlRips]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

If we land Wade this summer, which is looking more and more likely, we would have two all time greats with him and Melo.

why is it looking more and more likely?
from everything i read there is a possibility he leaves. and from that possibility what are the chances he actually lands with knicks

[NoLayupRule]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

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[NoLayupRule]

Draft the best available player. The triangle is garbage, the only reason it produced championships is because it had all time greats playing in it. I'm gonna love watching Phil describe the 'problems' with the roster when it doesn't work out.

If we land Wade this summer, which is looking more and more likely, we would have two all time greats with him and Melo.

why is it looking more and more likely?
from everything i read there is a possibility he leaves. and from that possibility what are the chances he actually lands with knicks

yeah there hasn't been a single rumor or anything to that effect

basically its just as likely he goes to LA or takes the minimum to play on his home town Bulls as anything else