2019-2020 College/Draft thread 13: One week to go

[3toheadmelo]

Yah no, let's not compare Randle to FVV. I know you guys have an agenda to prop up Randle, but they ain't even close to the same level of player, and it's an insult to guys like FVV when people do that. The only similarity is that they're miscast as the 1st option, but that encompasses 99% of the league, ranging from guys like AD or Frank. All those guys are not first options. So...yea, that's an extremely lazy comparison.

But if you really need me to break down what's the difference, only one of those guys has a championship. Only one of these guys can play next to the real stars like Kawhi, Lebron, etc. Only one of these guys can shoot. Only one of these guys play defense. Only one of these guys will get a big contract without the Knicks overbidding against themselves.

Now if we get FVV, he will be miscast as a top option...in the short term. But I think the big goal in that case would be to take baby steps, basically spending the first year as a scrappy squad, which Thibs does pretty well. After that, the goal is to get a seat at the table with the big guns, and to try and sell them on being the first option on our team. If we get that seat at the table, then yes, FVV will be a selling point because he knows how to win and he knows how to play his role. Do we overpay? Nah. But if we get him, it will be very different from getting Randle.

In short, we don't need FVV to win and we shouldn't overpay, but if we sign him, there is a path towards a championship team, even if it looks ugly in the short-term. Also FVV is the farthest thing from trash like Randle.

beg pardon ? besides melo, we all hate this motherf*cker

Look at this page bruh. Randle comparisons with FVV abound. Unless Melo made a few fake accounts

U have an agenda to hate on Randle. 99% of your posts is that. It kind of gets tiring tbh. But idgaf. Randle is here and you’ll like it.

[3toheadmelo]

Actually, this whole thing with Knicks fans and overmatched first options is overblown. If you look into our past, we've had a lot of overmatched first options we revere. We just don't accept overmatched first options that don't put in effort on defense. How else do you understand the Frank love?

My theory is this. Defense is often seen as a function of effort, and in NYC, you don't survive without effort.

Frank love? 50% of Knicks fans hate him

[Reign23]

His splits against Boston in the playoffs were 34/31/53. So much for being a sniper. That’s the same schit Felton pulled against Indiana in the playoffs. And we all hated Felton after those playoffs. You’re bugging if you think Fred is not gonna get any hate here. Dude is gonna get exposed. He’s not good enough to be a #1 option.

he won't be the first option. that should be RJ. And yes, he had a bad series against Boston.
but if you call a player out for shooting splits on one series, what about the first round against brooklyn? 53/56/80 splits.
And he had 44/40/86 in the freaking nba finals against gsw.

Brooklyn? The team that was playing g leaguers in the playoffs? You can’t be serious

sooo your mini sample size labels him a bad player but mine isn't worth anything?

[Juco24]

With regards to Wiggins, I can't see any NBA team already picking in the top-10 taking him on merely to move up. That's a $95M commitment to an inefficient, ball-dominant player the Warriors actively do not want. You're not paying almost a hundred million to pick swap.

A deal for Wiggins at this point would only be palatable if it brings in the #2 pick while not sacrificing any high-value present-day draft capital. You're effectively looking to purchase the #2 overall pick in a top-weak draft for $95M in the right scenario. I'm not even sure it's worth it at that point - whomever you select would HAVE to hit BIG to make it even come close to making sense.

I swear I'd be tempted to do it if it was just a swap of picks... I think Edwards can be DMitchell like and pairing him with RJ and Mitch sets us up really well going forward.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yah no, let's not compare Randle to FVV. I know you guys have an agenda to prop up Randle, but they ain't even close to the same level of player, and it's an insult to guys like FVV when people do that. The only similarity is that they're miscast as the 1st option, but that encompasses 99% of the league, ranging from guys like AD or Frank. All those guys are not first options. So...yea, that's an extremely lazy comparison.

But if you really need me to break down what's the difference, only one of those guys has a championship. Only one of these guys can play next to the real stars like Kawhi, Lebron, etc. Only one of these guys can shoot. Only one of these guys play defense. Only one of these guys will get a big contract without the Knicks overbidding against themselves.

Now if we get FVV, he will be miscast as a top option...in the short term. But I think the big goal in that case would be to take baby steps, basically spending the first year as a scrappy squad, which Thibs does pretty well. After that, the goal is to get a seat at the table with the big guns, and to try and sell them on being the first option on our team. If we get that seat at the table, then yes, FVV will be a selling point because he knows how to win and he knows how to play his role. Do we overpay? Nah. But if we get him, it will be very different from getting Randle.

In short, we don't need FVV to win and we shouldn't overpay, but if we sign him, there is a path towards a championship team, even if it looks ugly in the short-term. Also FVV is the farthest thing from trash like Randle.

beg pardon ? besides melo, we all hate this motherf*cker

Look at this page bruh. Randle comparisons with FVV abound. Unless Melo made a few fake accounts

Edit: You right. I think my hate for Randle got ahead of me.

I just dont want to overpay non-stars right now. I would def take FVV over Randle though. I would not hate that signing as much as I hated the Randle signing

[3toheadmelo]

he won't be the first option. that should be RJ. And yes, he had a bad series against Boston.
but if you call a player out for shooting splits on one series, what about the first round against brooklyn? 53/56/80 splits.
And he had 44/40/86 in the freaking nba finals against gsw.

Brooklyn? The team that was playing g leaguers in the playoffs? You can’t be serious

sooo your mini sample size labels him a bad player but mine isn't worth anything?

He shot 40% from the field in the playoffs. 41% from the field in the season. Career 41% from the field. He’s inefficient. Put him in a bigger role he’s going to be worse.

[god shammgod]

he's a weaker shot creator than raymond felton to be honest. better defender and 3 point shooter but if it's the end of the game and you need someone to make a play....give me ray ray.

[Reign23]

he's a weaker shot creator than raymond felton to be honest. better defender and 3 point shooter but if it's the end of the game and you need someone to make a play....give me ray ray.

I liked felton, but you can't be serious here..

[Traveyknicks23]

Halliburton hell no

Obi toppin hell no

Devin vassal absoutely not

are you the little kid that booed when we picked KP?

Nah but I Could have swore it was half the board that did though

[Deeeez Knicks]

notes from the athletic...some of it repeated info

-Knicks worked out and interviewed Kira
-Knicks worked out Saddiq Bey and Obi
-Knicks requested 2nd meeting with Terry
-Interviewed Okoro, no workout
-Shown interest in Hayes
-Nobody knows what the Knicks will end up doing...But they are doing a lot of research on PGs in this draft

[Richard4444]

van vleet is a raymond felton level pg at best. he'll be an upgrade here but we'll still all hate him in no time at all.

He’s gonna get the Randle hate. Miscast as a #1 option. Better off tanking for Cade.

We still would have to spend 42-45M this offseason.

[Reign23]

Brooklyn? The team that was playing g leaguers in the playoffs? You can’t be serious

sooo your mini sample size labels him a bad player but mine isn't worth anything?

He shot 40% from the field in the playoffs. 41% from the field in the season. Career 41% from the field. He’s inefficient. Put him in a bigger role he’s going to be worse.

but how do you know that? he got better every year. I'm not saying i want him for 25 million a year, but for 18-20 I'm in.

[3toheadmelo]

sooo your mini sample size labels him a bad player but mine isn't worth anything?

He shot 40% from the field in the playoffs. 41% from the field in the season. Career 41% from the field. He’s inefficient. Put him in a bigger role he’s going to be worse.

but how do you know that? he got better every year. I'm not saying i want him for 25 million a year, but for 18-20 I'm in.

He’s nice signing if you already have a good team. We don’t. He’s about to be 27 and he’s an inefficient mini shooting guard. I’ll pass and tank for a better long term PG.

[Chanel Bomber]

Oh we’re comparing FVV to Randle now?

FVV has proven that he can be a winning player. He was a key contributor for the Raptors in the damn NBA Finals.

Randle has yet to play a single playoff game in his career. He has no track record whatsoever of being a winning player.

If FVV signs with the understanding that he will have to share playmaking duties with RJ and that he’s not gonna be the sole decision-maker out there on the floor, then he would be a good signing for the Knicks. We need to sign players who can fit with RJ and Mitch and help their development. FVV fits the archetype.

No mad if we pass, but then I’d hope we make a move for Conley or Dragic. We need some credible PG play with some shooting.

[god shammgod]

he's a weaker shot creator than raymond felton to be honest. better defender and 3 point shooter but if it's the end of the game and you need someone to make a play....give me ray ray.

I liked felton, but you can't be serious here..

i'm 100 percent serious. your guy got the yips at the end of game when he needed to make a play. he look scared. and confused. a little fat. and that he needed his beard shaped up. no thank you.

[knickstape21]

Yah no, let's not compare Randle to FVV. I know you guys have an agenda to prop up Randle, but they ain't even close to the same level of player, and it's an insult to guys like FVV when people do that. The only similarity is that they're miscast as the 1st option, but that encompasses 99% of the league, ranging from guys like AD or Frank. All those guys are not first options. So...yea, that's an extremely lazy comparison.

But if you really need me to break down what's the difference, only one of those guys has a championship. Only one of these guys can play next to the real stars like Kawhi, Lebron, etc. Only one of these guys can shoot. Only one of these guys play defense. Only one of these guys will get a big contract without the Knicks overbidding against themselves.

Now if we get FVV, he will be miscast as a top option...in the short term. But I think the big goal in that case would be to take baby steps, basically spending the first year as a scrappy squad, which Thibs does pretty well. After that, the goal is to get a seat at the table with the big guns, and to try and sell them on being the first option on our team. If we get that seat at the table, then yes, FVV will be a selling point because he knows how to win and he knows how to play his role. Do we overpay? Nah. But if we get him, it will be very different from getting Randle.

In short, we don't need FVV to win and we shouldn't overpay, but if we sign him, there is a path towards a championship team, even if it looks ugly in the short-term. Also FVV is the farthest thing from trash like Randle.

Speak it.

FVV is a heck of a player. Not sure I’d throw the bag at him, but he is damn good.

Randle - dude has about 2 more weeks in a Knick uniform

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[3toheadmelo]

Oh we’re comparing FVV to Randle now?

FVV has proven that he can be a winning player. He was a key contributor for the Raptors in the damn NBA Finals.

Randle has yet to play a single playoff game in his career. He has no track record whatsoever of being a winning player.

If FVV signs with the understanding that he will have to share playmaking duties with RJ and that he’s not gonna be the sole decision-maker out there on the floor, then he would be a good signing for the Knicks. We need to sign players who can fit eoth RJ and Mitch and help their development. FVV fits the archetype.

FVV and your boy Jokic in the playoffs this year

[DaGawd]

Kind of OT but I’m glad a somewhat “old head” said this..

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I think Gilbert is right.. and it’s kind of why I’m a lil skeptical on if the game has passed Thibs by.. of course playing great defense is important still. But you also have to have fire power to compete in today’s NBA.. just getting by on defense only like the 04 pistons won’t cut it

[3toheadmelo]

Yah no, let's not compare Randle to FVV. I know you guys have an agenda to prop up Randle, but they ain't even close to the same level of player, and it's an insult to guys like FVV when people do that. The only similarity is that they're miscast as the 1st option, but that encompasses 99% of the league, ranging from guys like AD or Frank. All those guys are not first options. So...yea, that's an extremely lazy comparison.

But if you really need me to break down what's the difference, only one of those guys has a championship. Only one of these guys can play next to the real stars like Kawhi, Lebron, etc. Only one of these guys can shoot. Only one of these guys play defense. Only one of these guys will get a big contract without the Knicks overbidding against themselves.

Now if we get FVV, he will be miscast as a top option...in the short term. But I think the big goal in that case would be to take baby steps, basically spending the first year as a scrappy squad, which Thibs does pretty well. After that, the goal is to get a seat at the table with the big guns, and to try and sell them on being the first option on our team. If we get that seat at the table, then yes, FVV will be a selling point because he knows how to win and he knows how to play his role. Do we overpay? Nah. But if we get him, it will be very different from getting Randle.

In short, we don't need FVV to win and we shouldn't overpay, but if we sign him, there is a path towards a championship team, even if it looks ugly in the short-term. Also FVV is the farthest thing from trash like Randle.

Speak it.

FVV is a heck of a player. Not sure I’d throw the bag at him, but he is damn good.

Randle - dude has about 2 more weeks in a Knick uniform

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