Lonzo Ball - What's your opinion of him?

[Deeeez Knicks]

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To be fair if he was more consistent and putting up 20 every game he would be closer to a max player and we would probably have no shot at him.

Consistency is important but something a lot of younger players struggle with and can improve. At the least even when he is not scoring he is doing other things like passing, rebounding, solid defense. He has been showing some steady improvement, although you want to see a little more. Imo, def worth betting on at certain price.

[dakomish23]

I trust Johnnie Bryant with young guards... I've repeated ad nauseum my love for Lonzo the player for a long time. A short term Lowry deal/Lonzo long term offseason would be amazing for where we're at right now.

That’s exactly the off-season I want with a solid rotation wing for the room MLE. I can’t even imagine how good we’d be with those two.

I actually think just Lowry would have made this current team a real threat to BKN

[god shammgod]

lonzo/rose
derozan/iq
rj/bullock
randle/obi
3 point shooting mitch/taj

gonna be a good year.......and then the dame for rj trade.

[dakomish23]

lonzo/rose
derozan/iq
rj/bullock
randle/obi
3 point shooting mitch/taj

gonna be a good year.......and then the dame for rj trade.

Lowry Lonzo
DRose IQ
RJB Bullock
Randle Obi
Mitch

[jvsimonetti0514]

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To be fair if he was more consistent and putting up 20 every game he would be closer to a max player and we would probably have no shot at him.

Consistency is important but something a lot of younger players struggle with and can improve. At the least even when he is not scoring he is doing other things like passing, rebounding, solid defense. He has been showing some steady improvement, although you want to see a little more. Imo, def worth betting on at certain price.

Deez is just taking the words out of my mouth. I logged back in to say the same exact thing. Besides adding a guy that would could put up 30 every other game wouldn't exactly be a bad thing either

[Jeff Van Gully]

I trust Johnnie Bryant with young guards... I've repeated ad nauseum my love for Lonzo the player for a long time. A short term Lowry deal/Lonzo long term offseason would be amazing for where we're at right now.

That’s exactly the off-season I want with a solid rotation wing for the room MLE. I can’t even imagine how good we’d be with those two.

I actually think just Lowry would have made this current team a real threat to BKN

was wondering if lowry puts enough pressure on the rim to warrant playing him next to lonzo.

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hmm... maybe he still does. omar listening.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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To be fair if he was more consistent and putting up 20 every game he would be closer to a max player and we would probably have no shot at him.

Consistency is important but something a lot of younger players struggle with and can improve. At the least even when he is not scoring he is doing other things like passing, rebounding, solid defense. He has been showing some steady improvement, although you want to see a little more. Imo, def worth betting on at certain price.

Deez is just taking the words out of my mouth. I logged back in to say the same exact thing. Besides adding a guy that would could put up 30 every other game wouldn't exactly be a bad thing either

yeah. lonzo's game is on the upswing. rim pressure still an issue for him. wondering if we could add that rim attacker as well.

but overall, i am pro-lonzo signing. not a lot better you're going to fold in on a straight signing before you have to max out julius and pay your young bucks.

[jvsimonetti0514]

To be fair if he was more consistent and putting up 20 every game he would be closer to a max player and we would probably have no shot at him.

Consistency is important but something a lot of younger players struggle with and can improve. At the least even when he is not scoring he is doing other things like passing, rebounding, solid defense. He has been showing some steady improvement, although you want to see a little more. Imo, def worth betting on at certain price.

Deez is just taking the words out of my mouth. I logged back in to say the same exact thing. Besides adding a guy that would could put up 30 every other game wouldn't exactly be a bad thing either

yeah. lonzo's game is on the upswing. rim pressure still an issue for him. wondering if we could add that rim attacker as well.

but overall, i am pro-lonzo signing. not a lot better you're going to fold in on a straight signing before you have to max out julius and pay your young bucks.

It seems like a pretty realistic plan for us to go after Lonzo this summer and Lavine next summer. Both of those guys would really complement each other and I don't think it's out of the question for Lonzo to improve as an attacker either. I just hope that Lonzo doesn't get too expensive. If you can get him for anywhere between 18-23 million per year that be pretty solid. Anything more than that might be too much for him. I'm not really a cap guy but I think we've got both Mitch's and Randles bird rights. So I think it's possible for us to have another max space to bring in Lavine and go over the cap to bring back both of those guys

[NoDopeOnSundays]

i still think the Knicks are getting either Lonzo or Schroder. both are massive upgrades over Payton so I really can’t complain to be honest

I just think Ball is a lot more attainable than Schroeder. The Lakers have no option but to resign him, they don't have a backup PG to take his place, they don't have the caproom to sign anyone and they burned assets to get him.

[RHODEY]

hmm is there a scenario where a talented but inconsistent Ex-Laker joins the knicks gets coached by tibs and realizes his all nba potential?

Yeah, He's got talent but Im not seeing that he's "Wildly" talented....he's not really athletic or explosive but he's skilled, plays smart just wish he was more consistent and willful....I'll be watching him closely these last 6 or 7 games.

so a pg version of Barret?

No even, Barret has the Mamba Mentality .

[3toheadmelo]

i still think the Knicks are getting either Lonzo or Schroder. both are massive upgrades over Payton so I really can’t complain to be honest

I just think Ball is a lot more attainable than Schroeder. The Lakers have no option but to resign him, they don't have a backup PG to take his place, they don't have the caproom to sign anyone and they burned assets to get him.

just get me one of them I’m tired of Payton

[Buttah304]

I just think that we need to be consistent when it comes to player development across the league and not just in our own backyard.

RJ is our home grown prospect and what he has done in his sophomore year is nothing short of extraordinary. He’s gone from a 32% 3PT shooter to a 40% marksman. In fact he’s been the most bullseye shooter in the NBA over the last 3 months. His FT % going from 60 to 75% is also an impressive advancement.

Even though Lonzo is certainly not one of our own, what he himself has done is something to properly evaluate.

He’s gone from a career 56% FT shooter to 80% in year 4 and in his rookie campaign he shot 30% from downtown on 6 attempts. His sophomore year was not much better. 32% on 5 attempts. By year 3 he was shooting 38% on 6 attempts and he’s now at 38% on nearly 8.5 attempts per game.

All I am saying is that he’s clearly working hard behind the scenes and that’s something that our fan base is so happy about when it comes to RJ and Randles dedication.

Even though I absolutely believe we should sign him I’ll be the first to admit that his drives per game are flat out disappointing. He’s been in the league 4 years yet he’s still going to the rack just 5 times.

But if you look closely you’ll see a guy whose getting more confident with his handle, first step and overall offensive repertoire.

Putting up approximately 15-6-5 with 1.5 steals and 3 made threes a game along with being a + defender is nothing to downplay. Put me in the group that firmly believes he still has upside to expand his offensive game.

You sign Lonzo, and go out and get a shot creating 2 guard next to RJ-Randle-Mitch and we can be a 50+ win team for a very long time.

[stuporman]

Randle didn't really put it all together until this season, his 7th in the league at age 26 so it isn't unreasonable to think that Lonzo at 23 with only 4 seasons in the league doesn't have more development to uncap and the Knicks staff can possibly make it happen.

It just comes down to the price tag for someone who may not ever be a 'star' and instead might only be a super glue guy that plays a very important position on the floor for the Knicks who have been sorely lacking for a very long time.

[dakomish23]

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I trust Johnnie Bryant with young guards... I've repeated ad nauseum my love for Lonzo the player for a long time. A short term Lowry deal/Lonzo long term offseason would be amazing for where we're at right now.

That’s exactly the off-season I want with a solid rotation wing for the room MLE. I can’t even imagine how good we’d be with those two.

I actually think just Lowry would have made this current team a real threat to BKN

was wondering if lowry puts enough pressure on the rim to warrant playing him next to lonzo.

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hmm... maybe he still does. omar listening.

I’m not sure if he does. But he’ll provide the spacing so Randle and RJB can do their thing and will keep the ball moving. Tack on the leadership & defense and I think it’s a no brainer but who knows if either side even thinks it’s a possibility

[Knicksfan1992]

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That’s exactly the off-season I want with a solid rotation wing for the room MLE. I can’t even imagine how good we’d be with those two.

I actually think just Lowry would have made this current team a real threat to BKN

was wondering if lowry puts enough pressure on the rim to warrant playing him next to lonzo.

Watch on YouTube

hmm... maybe he still does. omar listening.

I’m not sure if he does. But he’ll provide the spacing so Randle and RJB can do their thing and will keep the ball moving. Tack on the leadership & defense and I think it’s a no brainer but who knows if either side even thinks it’s a possibility

Lowry drives to the rim at an adequate rate for a guard. He's at slightly over 10 drives a game. For reference:

RJ is at 12.3
DRose is at 12.0
Randle is at 10.5

Lowry isn't an attacking guard but with all those drives manufactured by everyone else he should be enough of an attacking threat to keep us from being stagnant...

Fun fact out of players who drive to the rim at least 10 times a game Lowry and Van Vleet have the highest pass out percentages in the entire league.

So give him Lonzo, RJ, Bullock, IQ and Randle all guys who shoot over 38% from 3 to kick out too and our offense can become deadly..

[RHODEY]

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[aggo]

Lonzo is a nice player,

but we need a #1 scorer next to Randle/RJ. He doesnt fit next to Randle/RJ.

Lonzo seems like a third/fourth best player on a winning team and a glue guy. Funny thing is that on the pelicans he is exactly that, but if you watch and read the criticisms its that he has no chemistry with Zion or BI. We dont need a glue guy.... Randle is already the glue guy basically.


we need a SG or PG or SF that can put up 25PPG with efficiency, that's the last missing piece for the team.



if its a PG we need a PNR pg because elfrid and IQ are way below avg pnr guards. Rose is atleast still an avg PNR guard, but cant be depended on to play 30+ mpg anymore. Lonzo is not that.
if its a SG we need someone who can be a 36%+ 3pt shooter outside of catch+shoot scenarios, and have the ability to playmake off dribble drive from the 3pt line
if its a SF we need someone who can be more than a 3+ d player that camps the 3pt line


none of those things are Lonzo.



the answer as bad as it seems Is probably to trade some combination of

mitch/iq/obi/3frps

for a SG or PG that can play 36mpg.

beal
mccollum
lavine

[Jeff Van Gully]

Deez is just taking the words out of my mouth. I logged back in to say the same exact thing. Besides adding a guy that would could put up 30 every other game wouldn't exactly be a bad thing either

yeah. lonzo's game is on the upswing. rim pressure still an issue for him. wondering if we could add that rim attacker as well.

but overall, i am pro-lonzo signing. not a lot better you're going to fold in on a straight signing before you have to max out julius and pay your young bucks.

It seems like a pretty realistic plan for us to go after Lonzo this summer and Lavine next summer. Both of those guys would really complement each other and I don't think it's out of the question for Lonzo to improve as an attacker either. I just hope that Lonzo doesn't get too expensive. If you can get him for anywhere between 18-23 million per year that be pretty solid. Anything more than that might be too much for him. I'm not really a cap guy but I think we've got both Mitch's and Randles bird rights. So I think it's possible for us to have another max space to bring in Lavine and go over the cap to bring back both of those guys

both mitch and randle are going to have serious cap holds. we are in a great spot with flexibility, but not many guys under contract long-term. we need to bring some of these guys back and pay. maybe they will take 1-and-1s with lonzo being the only long-term money added on? we'll have to stay tuned.

[jvsimonetti0514]

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I pretty much said the same thing on NBNF when we played the Pelicans last. It really makes no sense for the Pelicans to let him walk. His fit with Zion is really good and he's pretty much an elite shooter now. It's definitely going to cost a ton of money to try to steal him unless the pels are really in love with Kira or something.

[RHODEY]

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I pretty much said the same thing on NBNF when we played the Pelicans last. It really makes no sense for the Pelicans to let him walk. His fit with Zion is really good and he's pretty much an elite shooter now. It's definitely going to cost a ton of money to try to steal him unless the pels are really in love with Kira or something.

From a basketball perspective it always made sense... but fiscally if they were forced to overpay for him it could negatively impact future signings down the line...