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Post#421 » by YouthMovement » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:53 pm

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Post#422 » by DOT » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:54 pm

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Team Rowan has won the battle, all these moves have led us to a place where RJ is now easily out best perimeter defender with size on the entire team. Bend the knee, Rowan is now the most important starter, wow.

Yeah, if anything, this offseason has shown that the FO doesn't have a very high opinion of Quick

We brought back his biggest competition for shots (Burks) as well as re-upped our backup PG and signed a new starting PG, leaving him without much room to increase his shots or playing time, until someone gets hurt, and even then, his role isn't gonna be the one that expands, it's gonna be Burks taking more shots and minutes when someone goes down

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Re: Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC 

Post#423 » by G_K_F » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:54 pm

YouthMovement wrote:our second unit is impressive


You know who the coach is, right? The rotation is 9 deep.

Quickley is likely the odd man out. Barely any minutes for him in the backcourt.
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Re: Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC 

Post#424 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:56 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:Team IQ must resort to firearms because they are weak and can't throw hands.

Beyond sad, a new low for Team IQ.

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Team Rowan has won the battle, all these moves have led us to a place where RJ is now easily out best perimeter defender with size on the entire team. Bend the knee, Rowan is now the most important starter, wow.

Team RJ has actually lost the battle and they didn’t even realize it!!! With Kemba, Fournier and Randle handling the ball, RJ will just be a 3 and D guy like he already is!
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Re: Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC 

Post#425 » by br7knicks » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:56 pm

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br7knicks wrote:I do think Knicks need an upgrade at backup PF so randle doesn't have to play so much


Obi has to step up. We gotta give him a chance.


He played well towards the end of the year and playoffs. He's got this.


he did. i just need to see a bigger sample of it. i'm not about giving up on him. but i don't want randle to have to go through what he did last year - i felt like him playing all of those minutes wore him out for the playoffs.


it's not that i don't think randle CAN do it, i'd just rather him not. i want to make sure that, whoever his backup is, can give the knicks coaching staff confidence that the team won't miss a beat when randle needs to go to the bench
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Post#426 » by DaGawd » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:57 pm

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YouthMovement wrote:our second unit is impressive


You know who the coach is, right? The rotation is 9 deep.

Quickley is likely the odd man out. Barely any minutes for him in the backcourt.

No way. He’s gonna go Rose and IQ in the backcourt most likely. Burks will be the 3
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Post#427 » by nykballa2k4 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:57 pm

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I still believe in Knox.


IMO Knox+Mitch for Wiseman would put the full talents of our out-going guys on display. Knox needs a green light to go full Rashard Lewis.


Not a bad idea to get value for Mitch now if we don't plan on paying him, but I'm not sure Wiseman will ever be as good as Mitch has already shown to be. Maybe I'm just down on him more than others. Mitch when he was healthy was a beast and has huge upside if he can stop fouling. He's a lob threat, rim protector, rebounder, and can even guard on the perimeter passably.

I guess Wiseman has the bigger upside, but I think we could do better for Mitch.

I would love to see Myles Turner at center for us and then we sign a traditional backup big to handle larger centers in the playoffs.

Imagine:

Kemba
Fournier
RJ
Randal
Turner

I feel like that lineup would be unstopable...probably not stopping anybody though.

gotta give to get. If Wiseman was a sure thing, Warriors would not look at the deal. Wiseman is getting paid for sure (high rookie scale) but he is not due for a new contract till after Zion. Mitch will be paid more soon, Knox if he plays well will get paid something, so financially it's a pretty good gamble. To get turner, we are going to have to part with significantly more AND pay him near max next year.
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Post#428 » by Newyorknick94 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 5:58 pm

I don’t think quickly minutes really change he was primarily rjs back up at shooting guard Fournier and Burkes are gonna play small forward.
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Post#429 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:00 pm

Newyorknick94 wrote:I don’t think quickly minutes really change he was primarily rjs back up at shooting guard Fournier and Burkes are gonna play small forward.

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Re: Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC 

Post#431 » by G_K_F » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:01 pm

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YouthMovement wrote:our second unit is impressive


You know who the coach is, right? The rotation is 9 deep.

Quickley is likely the odd man out. Barely any minutes for him in the backcourt.

No way. He’s gonna go Rose and IQ in the backcourt most likely. Burks will be the 3


Burks will be the 3 and play 10 mpg? He was playing 25 mpg last year.

Likely minutes distribution:

Kemba (28) / Rose (20)
Fournier (33)/ Burks (10) Rose (5)
RJ (38)/ Burks (10)
Randle (39) /Obi (7)/ Taj (2)
Mitch (25) / Noel (17) /Taj (6)

I have a 10 man rotation. Thibodeau’s rotation are normally 8-9 deep. You can probably take out Taj’s 8 minutes and spread it around or give them to Quickley. I also think Rose and Kemba will both play 4-5 minutes on the court together if healthy.
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Re: Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC 

Post#432 » by frogfood » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:02 pm

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YouthMovement wrote:our second unit is impressive


You know who the coach is, right? The rotation is 9 deep.

Quickley is likely the odd man out. Barely any minutes for him in the backcourt.


Yup, though a big trade by the deadline or w/e Burks/Noel are eligible feels inevitable. IQ will get his minutes here or there.
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Post#433 » by blueNorange » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:02 pm

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Post#435 » by blueNorange » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:03 pm

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Post#436 » by DaGawd » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:03 pm

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You know who the coach is, right? The rotation is 9 deep.

Quickley is likely the odd man out. Barely any minutes for him in the backcourt.

No way. He’s gonna go Rose and IQ in the backcourt most likely. Burks will be the 3


Burks will be the 3 and play 10 mpg? He was playing 25 mpg last year.

Likely minutes distribution:

Kemba (28) / Rose (20)
Fournier (33)/ Burks (10) Rose (5)
RJ (38)/ Burks (10)
Randle (39) /Obi (7)/ Taj (2)
Mitch (25) / Noel (17) /Taj (6)

I have a 10 man rotation. Thibodeau’s rotation are normally 8-9 deep. You can probably take out Taj’s 8 minutes and spread it around or give them to Quickley. I also think Rose and Kemba will both play 4-5 minutes on the court together if healthy.

Quickley is going to be the back up 2… Burks will be the back up 3.. this isn’t rocket science. Thibs loves Quickley there’s no way he won’t be in the rotation heavily
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Post#438 » by TheDavinciCHODE » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:03 pm

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IMO Knox+Mitch for Wiseman would put the full talents of our out-going guys on display. Knox needs a green light to go full Rashard Lewis.


Not a bad idea to get value for Mitch now if we don't plan on paying him, but I'm not sure Wiseman will ever be as good as Mitch has already shown to be. Maybe I'm just down on him more than others. Mitch when he was healthy was a beast and has huge upside if he can stop fouling. He's a lob threat, rim protector, rebounder, and can even guard on the perimeter passably.

I guess Wiseman has the bigger upside, but I think we could do better for Mitch.

I would love to see Myles Turner at center for us and then we sign a traditional backup big to handle larger centers in the playoffs.

Imagine:

Kemba
Fournier
RJ
Randal
Turner

I feel like that lineup would be unstopable...probably not stopping anybody though.

gotta give to get. If Wiseman was a sure thing, Warriors would not look at the deal. Wiseman is getting paid for sure (high rookie scale) but he is not due for a new contract till after Zion. Mitch will be paid more soon, Knox if he plays well will get paid something, so financially it's a pretty good gamble. To get turner, we are going to have to part with significantly more AND pay him near max next year.


Yeah giving Turner the ma doesn't sit well with me. I'm fine with letting Knox go tbh, we've got plenty of depth and he doesn't seem to have any respect from Thibs or the FO.

Question is would we be better for giving Mitch a 3-year deal, and would the team be comfortable giving him in the ~16 mil range if he has a good season? We know he's going to be a defensive force, and with more space around him he could easily average a double/double.

Will he get close to a Clint Capela deal? Mitch is almost certainly going to be a better rim protector than Capela right? He doesn't have to be as good at catching lobs or any Capela-like things to get that type of money.

How would you feel about Mitch on a 4/70 deal? I love Mitch but not sure I'm paying that money for a center right now.
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Re: Woj Kemba buying out of okc signing with NYC 

Post#439 » by G_K_F » Wed Aug 4, 2021 6:04 pm

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DaGawd wrote:No way. He’s gonna go Rose and IQ in the backcourt most likely. Burks will be the 3


Burks will be the 3 and play 10 mpg? He was playing 25 mpg last year.

Likely minutes distribution:

Kemba (28) / Rose (20)
Fournier (33)/ Burks (10) Rose (5)
RJ (38)/ Burks (10)
Randle (39) /Obi (7)/ Taj (2)
Mitch (25) / Noel (17) /Taj (6)

I have a 10 man rotation. Thibodeau’s rotation are normally 8-9 deep. You can probably take out Taj’s 8 minutes and spread it around or give them to Quickley. I also think Rose and Kemba will both play 4-5 minutes on the court together if healthy.

Quickley is going to be the back up 2… Burks will be the back up 3.. this isn’t rocket science. Thibs loves Quickley there’s no way he won’t be in the rotation heavily


I'm not sure you're comprehending that there aren't many minutes.

Do the math and come back to me. It's not rocket science.
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