Jalen Brunson obsession

[HarthorneWingo]

He's not "just a roleplayer" there's a 20ppg scorer with the amount of touches he'd get here, he's not a franchise tier 1 type of player but he's also not simply a roleplayer, roleplayers don't lead their teams to playoff wins when the main guy is out. He's a highly efficient scoring PG that could make a couple all-star games in the right situation.

He’s the lefty FVV

He has more potential than Fred, cause he scores at the rim and mid-range, he's better at self creation.

Looks like it’ll be him … and Randle.

[malik959]

Another classic Grant Hill case where knicks are used to drive up the price. I'm ok with that just to make Dallas pay more. That's all we got. We should hang jerseys for all the times we were Grant Hill'd

Chris Webber's jersey retired first

No Jordan

[Jimmit79]

Knicks could beat both Dallas and Utah so wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell and Brunson end up. Utah and Dallas are both trash.

[The Lamma]

if we can't get him I would definitely look to offer Tyus Jones the MLE. he looks awesome tbh

I like it

His assist/to ratio is absurd. Set an NBA record this year while leading the league for the 4th consecutive year



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[Chanel Bomber]

Brunson is a good player and he would be a nice addition in a vacuum but I don't think merely adding Brunson to what we have leads us anywhere.

Another move then has to follow. The Knicks would need to consolidate some of their assets and try to turn quantity into quality. If you can acquire Brunson and Ayton in the same offseason for instance, then it becomes a bit more interesting.

I wouldn't mind overpaying Brunson, but since we're over the cap it all depends on who we would be giving up in a deal. The price of acquiring Brunson ultimately makes it a good or a bad decision. It also depends on the availability of Mitchell and Lillard, and what it would take to acquire either player, since you can't pair either one with Brunson.

[The Lamma]

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[KnixtapeH20]

We know Brunson is good. I don't know if he's worth his price tag...

What about this trade:
We give: Burks(10M),Kemba (9M), Noel(9M), Dallas pick, NYK #11pick
We get: Brunson Sign and trade 100/4, Dallas #26 pick.

Dalas gives #26 and Brunson
Gets #20 Spurs, own 23 pick and Tre Jones

Spurs gives #20 and Tre Jones
gets Burks, Kemba, Noel and #11 pick

Any trade that doesn't involve Randle is a no for me

[sol537]

Tyus Jones is my guy as well. Can start or come off the bench and grow with our other kids.

[spree2kawhi]

He's not "just a roleplayer" there's a 20ppg scorer with the amount of touches he'd get here, he's not a franchise tier 1 type of player but he's also not simply a roleplayer, roleplayers don't lead their teams to playoff wins when the main guy is out. He's a highly efficient scoring PG that could make a couple all-star games in the right situation.

He’s the lefty FVV

He has more potential than Fred, cause he scores at the rim and mid-range, he's better at self creation.

So it’s mid-range over threes now?

Apparently FVV is still underrated.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

He’s the lefty FVV

He has more potential than Fred, cause he scores at the rim and mid-range, he's better at self creation.

So it’s mid-range over threes now?

Apparently FVV is still underrated.

Brunson has shot 39% from three the last two seasons, he does both.

FVV isn't underrated, I wanted him on our team as well, Brunson has a higher ceiling as a scorer because he has potential as a 3 level scorer.

[Chanel Bomber]

He has more potential than Fred, cause he scores at the rim and mid-range, he's better at self creation.

So it’s mid-range over threes now?

Apparently FVV is still underrated.

Brunson has shot 39% from three the last two seasons, he does both.

FVV isn't underrated, I wanted him on our team as well, Brunson has a higher ceiling as a scorer because he has potential as a 3 level scorer.

Ignore contract size or trade return for a second, without any context, who do you think will be the better player two years from now, Brunson or Mitchell?

It's not a trick question - I'm just curious to see how you value or project their on-court play.

[8516knicks]

i dunno, all those anti-Brunson posters earlier in the thread may have convinced me - after all Brunson hasn't yet shown he can average 30 pts per game without Doncick for an entire winning playoff series! Giving up multiple picks plus IQ, RJ and Obi to pair Donovan Mitchel with Randle could be by far the better bargain! And Mitchel wouldn't cost $20M per season!!! (Or would he?)

[NoDopeOnSundays]

So it’s mid-range over threes now?

Apparently FVV is still underrated.

Brunson has shot 39% from three the last two seasons, he does both.

FVV isn't underrated, I wanted him on our team as well, Brunson has a higher ceiling as a scorer because he has potential as a 3 level scorer.

Ignore contract size or trade return for a second, without any context, who do you think will be the better player two years from now, Brunson or Mitchell?

It's not a trick question - I'm just curious to see how you value or project their on-court play.

Donovan should be the better player, but I don't know how wide the gap will be, all he does is score and not much else. He'd be perfect next to someone like Embiid or Giannis, we don't have that kind of talent on our team though.

[Chanel Bomber]

Brunson has shot 39% from three the last two seasons, he does both.

FVV isn't underrated, I wanted him on our team as well, Brunson has a higher ceiling as a scorer because he has potential as a 3 level scorer.

Ignore contract size or trade return for a second, without any context, who do you think will be the better player two years from now, Brunson or Mitchell?

It's not a trick question - I'm just curious to see how you value or project their on-court play.

Donovan should be the better player, but I don't know how wide the gap will be, all he does is score and not much else. He'd be perfect next to someone like Embiid or Giannis, we don't have that kind of talent on our team though.

No we don't

[KnicksNext]

why does this board always nitpick on every single player that is not top 5 in the league?
- Brunson is arguably the 2nd best player on the 5th seed in the west
- he got better every year
- he fills our biggest positional need
- he can shoot so he can play off the ball too.
people don't get that you have to be a decent playoff team to be interesting for stars who are FA or demanding a trade. you don't go from 0 to 100. build a team.

i just quote myself from page 1.

- Julius Randle was without question the best player on the 4th seed in the east last year
- (At that time) Randle had gotten better every year (don't need more proof than MIP)
- Every one of Randles years has been better than Brunson's years (through the best year of their career)
- Just about every PG available would be an upgrade in our position of need too
- He cant play off the ball cause the Knicks need him to play on the ball more so than most any other team in the NBA
- He's a career 37% shooter from 3 on limited attempts per game (just 2.7 3's attempted a game) so I wouldn't exactly call him a "shooter"
- 5 years $125 million type of contract is no 'sure thing' for a guy that has had one real good year that so happens to be a contract year in his entire NBA career

Doesn't mean he's crap. Doesn't mean it may not be worth it for the Knicks to push hard for him. But he's not anywhere an easy answer to fix what ails the Knicks that some people are making him out to be. Reality is that other than a handful of games in 4 years has he actually even started at the point. And yet we want to think about investing a big contract on him to be the starting PG for a team that needs their starting PG to do a whole heck of a lot than he's every really shown he can do?

What you conveniently left out is how much of an ass Randle is, and how horrible of an attitude he displayed this year. He's a cancer on any team, and that's why everyone is praying some other stupid team will take him and his albatross long contract. Also, the only truly good year he had in the NBA was last year when he was in a contract year and there were no fans. He also had a historically bad playoff performance as well. THOSE are the factors that will keep teams from showing any interest in him. You can quote all the stats you want, and all the cool awards he won. Teams don't give a sh*t about that. They won't want his cancer ass infecting their locker rooms. It's a huge blessing for the Knicks if they can someone get rid of him without receiving any talent in return. Just getting out of his contract would be huge.

[KnicksNext]

why does this board always nitpick on every single player that is not top 5 in the league?
- Brunson is arguably the 2nd best player on the 5th seed in the west
- he got better every year
- he fills our biggest positional need
- he can shoot so he can play off the ball too.
people don't get that you have to be a decent playoff team to be interesting for stars who are FA or demanding a trade. you don't go from 0 to 100. build a team.

i just quote myself from page 1.

- Julius Randle was without question the best player on the 4th seed in the east last year
- (At that time) Randle had gotten better every year (don't need more proof than MIP)
- Every one of Randles years has been better than Brunson's years (through the best year of their career)
- Just about every PG available would be an upgrade in our position of need too
- He cant play off the ball cause the Knicks need him to play on the ball more so than most any other team in the NBA
- He's a career 37% shooter from 3 on limited attempts per game (just 2.7 3's attempted a game) so I wouldn't exactly call him a "shooter"
- 5 years $125 million type of contract is no 'sure thing' for a guy that has had one real good year that so happens to be a contract year in his entire NBA career

Doesn't mean he's crap. Doesn't mean it may not be worth it for the Knicks to push hard for him. But he's not anywhere an easy answer to fix what ails the Knicks that some people are making him out to be. Reality is that other than a handful of games in 4 years has he actually even started at the point. And yet we want to think about investing a big contract on him to be the starting PG for a team that needs their starting PG to do a whole heck of a lot than he's every really shown he can do?

Just to add, any team in the NBA would take Brunson and his new fat contract over Randle and his disastrous contract simply because of Randle being a complete douchebag of a human being. No team wants Randle ruining their locker room.

[KnicksNext]

every.single.time.

It's usually the cost involved in the players for where the team is at the time. For me anyway. I see many saying Brunson wants too much money. I have no horse in the race because I don't watch Brunson play unless he plays us. He never really caught my eye then so .. whatever.

This team needs to stop skipping steps. Period. If the roster construction and cap space would make any kind of sense...then we could build off of that. We keep ignoring the lottery when we should focus on it. So we have weaker shots at star talent on that path to add to. We max out 3rd or 4th option players before we have any stars to pair them with. Fill out the roster with vets no one wants. Then we talk about trading for stars with youth we don't properly showcase because we use washed vets to chase the play in games...AND FAIL. Then our draft/trade stock is weaker as a result. Rinse and repeat.

This is another perfect year to commit to the youth and clear the cap for future moves. If the kids are truly bad ..we have our own picks to benefit from. If they are too good to tank with....they have great trade value or can be kept and added to. Players will see a decent foundation and may want to come play with them. It's the best path to take given the current landscape of the league.

Randle burned out his value with his antics IMO. The rest of the vets should never have been signed honestly. So... that's the big problem here. Will the team erase their mistakes? Probably not.

As for Brunson...get back to me when there are actual trade talks or even rumors of what the deal would look like. Then I'll comment. I'm not discussing fantasy trades/contracts in my spare time. Especially not when people want Dame and Beal making 100mil per. Not a subliminal shot at chanel. Others were down with it too.

You speak perfect sense. Totally logical. Should be abundantly obvious to all observers by now that you’re correct.

Problem is:

Thibs: Tonight’s late-season game after we’ve been eliminated is a “must win;” therefore Alec Burks starts.

Wally (aka MSG Network): Tonight’s game is “absolutely crucial” if only to “build culture.”

Dolan will keep paying these clowns if they make it look like they’re squeezing lemonade out of the lemons he gives them. If only so Dolan can deny that he’s a big fat unattractive wart of a lemon.

Brock Aller can try to explain it to them, but he’s pushing boulder’s uphill. The Dolan organization will always opt for appearance over substance, and short-term hype over longterm intelligence.

Leon’s main job is to manage the pressure to trade the yutes as long as he can. He’ll be fired within 18 months of his signature trade if it doesn’t work immediately.

Great post. You nailed it. Fish stinks from the head down (Da Coach Ditka coined that one), and until that changes it will be more of the same. The goal is to fill MSG. If these clowns can build a team that gets us in the playin each year and around 40 wins, he's going to stick with those guys.

[KnicksNext]

Now the Pacers are entering the Jalen Brunson sweepstakes. That means we’re going to have to get into a bidding war to secure his services.

I’d rather just go with IQ.

Seriously? Lol. You have to pay when you want good players. That's how the NBA works.

[cgmw]

Now the Pacers are entering the Jalen Brunson sweepstakes. That means we’re going to have to get into a bidding war to secure his services.

I’d rather just go with IQ.

Seriously? Lol. You have to pay when you want good players. That's how the NBA works.

Paying for good-not-great vets when you’re a lotto team on 5-year minimum timeline: That’s how the Knicks work.

The only reason Brunson (or any veteran player or any talented coach/executive) would come here is if we win a bidding war. Well, that and cronyism.

Signing him would be a trash move for both sides, so I could definitely see it happening.

[Richard4444]

What about RJ + Randle + IQ + Pick11 for Donovan + 2 SRP
Cam + Dallas pick (to Dallas) and Burks + Kemba + Sims + 4 SRP to OKC to sign and trade Brunson 90/4
Brunson/Rose/
Donovan/Evan
Grimes/MLE
Obi
Mitch (60/4)/Noel