#10 - Spida Thread - I hate sham

[Jimmit79]

RJ will get traded soon I wonder how many of his fanboys stick around this board after satanic robot is gone?

[mpharris36]

RJ will get traded soon I wonder how many of his fanboys stick around this board after satanic robot is gone?

[spree2kawhi]

He should have stayed with the Wiz - seemed like it was working out OK and the media scrutiny is much less as they are accustomed to losing.

I bet someone gives him a shot.

i'm not sure. if you're a contender or playoff team, does he help ? no. do you want him around a bunch of young guys if you're tanking ? no. is he even a gate attraction anymore to bring people in to the arena ? don't think so. his agent warned him, before he fired him, that if he got traded it might be bad for him. hard to think of a team that would do it. maybe charlotte ?

He should be out of the league. Mostly because he sucks, but also because he's a bad teammate.

I would have loved a Westbrook+picks for Kyrie trade. That would have exposed everybody. Plus, it would have been such a power move by Marks. Big FU.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i'd rather give the 5 firsts and keep grimes.

I’d rather give 5 firsts to trade Randle.

damn.

i'm open to 2021 randle being part of this. we lit if he can find that guy. rather not trade obi, but i understand putting his value into the mitchell deal if randle is STAYING staying.

[rammagen]

"rammagen wrote:
Here is the issue with your point while mitch is an all star he ia a second tier all star. You are over valuing him and under valuing other players.

Possible. Or maybe you are undervaluing other teams players and overvaluing yours?
rammagen wrote:
Fournier is what he is but not negative contract he can score and when you need to reach the cap floor that type of player who can shoot and is not a net negative. With his shooting on the court it is a plus. After this yr he has 1 more yr at 17 million then a team opt out. That is not a bad deal.



Again - good. Lets assume you are right. Find the team that wants to give a positive value for Fournier and include them in the deal. And if there is no team willing to give an expiring or some value for him, then it will be you that has to give that value to get rid off him. I don't mind it either way... whereever the value/expiring is coming from I would be good with it.

rammagen wrote:
Obi and RJ are no go from the block. What other team has the draft capital and young players to match what the knicks can offer. You get grimes and picks plus a fournier and another young player. No more then 4 picks unless Randle is moved then your can get those. That is why Obi is a not in the trade.


Very few teams can match what the Knicks can offer. But that's ONLY if they actually offer the good stuff. If not - then A LOT of teams can make a very competitive offer with for example the latest reported offer. BTW, Obi is in the latest reported trade offer from NYK. Him and 5 picks! This is the floor for the deal. This has already been offered by the Knicks and rejected by the Jazz. This offer is going nowhere. Until you strike a deal for someone else, this offer is very likely on the table for the Jazz to pick up any time they want it.


rammagen wrote:
I can see randle/fornier to the lakers for westbrook and picks...those picks are then sent to jazz.

If I'm the Lakers I would want picks from the Knicks in that deal, not giving up picks. Randle/Fournier are not a positive value. The Jazz have better pieces they can send to the Lakers for picks without involving the Knicks.
rammagen wrote:
It really depends on if the lakers are serious about crazy from the nets.

Yeah. Thats probably the best deal they can hope for, but not sure they can do it without giving up both picks.

rammagen wrote:
Ainge is on drugs of he thinks he can get a haul. The issue here is he leaked all kinds of bs out to pressure the knicks into a deal. That does not garner good will. A good trade is when both teams walk away feeling ripped off. In all of the jazz trade proposals that is not happening.

Lastly dont take offense when you stfu and gtfo that has been the standard greeting here since 2000 for anyone new to pouting on this board

We'll see sooner or later what Ainge will get for Mitchell. It's pretty rare when Ainge does a deal anyone thinks he's lost that deal. His biggest losses are on deals that he's unable to strike rather than ones he succesfully completes. What's the last trade Ainge has lost?"

I quoted the above to make a point, Stiches you are completely wrong, proving you are not a basket ball fan but a jazz fan. There is nothing wrong there. But dont come off as trying to be all so knowledgeable and put other peoples onions out. Disagree fine but then realize it is coming from fans point a view. Same as mine but I watch any game I can and think most Kick fans when talking about other players and teams have a better grasp and understanding of value. NY fans love the Knicks don't get me wrong but really love the sport as well.

But please don't come here spewing some nonsense like the above, the players on the Knicks side are plus value the issue is the picks pure and simple. Ainge is looking for leverage to make a deal, the Knicks have the option to walk away so far they have...what does that tell you? It tells me the Knicks don't value Mitchell as highly as you think he should be.

It also tells me me with all the leaks Ainge is getting a little antsy. Look trade Mitch anywhere 4 picks is still 4 picks 2 picks is still 2 picks
Miami and most of the other teams outside the thunder and cavs cant offer as much so why in the world would a team give most of it assets up for a player . Why should we over pay. Why should bid against ourselves? all we have to do is be one more pick higher then any other team if that is goal to make the trade. We are not as desperate as the wolves and we should not be over paying. So far Ainge's plan backfired by leaking things to the press and having them do his talking for him. The fans or the front office have not really giving into his demands and that is what they basically are demands.
Dont make the trade but then realize it will cost you draft picks and a young player or 2. It also puts the Knicks in a position to move in the draft next yr which i think is Ainge's prime motivation here. There is a kid coming out that is from France and that is the end game for Ainge, not Obi or RJ. Ainge wants to angle for the number 1 pick for that kid Victor Wembanyama..
What people need to realize if the Knicks make this trade are they closer to winning a championship no so if they don't make this trade and hold out for the next start or the upcoming draft it is fine with most of us as long as the young Knicks get playing time and develop. The teams goal should be long term continued success and this trade as Ainge wants this does does not help the Knicks and for a trade to work both teams have to see the benefit long term.

[Im Coming Home]

damn I guess its not getting locked, guess you'll just have to deal with a negative Randle thread.

[Im Coming Home]

RJ will get traded soon I wonder how many of his fanboys stick around this board after satanic robot is gone?

Can mods just ban his ass. We've had trolls banned for less and his schtick has worn very very very thin.

[rammagen]

You keep forgetting how this works.....IF the Cavs or another team matches or beats the Knicks current offer THEN the Knicks can raise it to beat that one....the Knicks don't have to raise their offer to beat an imaginary offer that doesn't exist.

That's usually how it works because all-stars are usually traded with one year left on their contract and the team trading them is against the clock to get something for them rather than lose them for nothing. They are also often dealing a player who has demanded to be traded.

Mitchell has 3 years years left on his deal and hasn't asked for a trade. Utah isn't dealing Mitchell to the highest bidder. They are doing the same thing they did with Gobert, which is dealing their player for what they consider an acceptable price. They have plenty of time to find a better deal if they don't like NY's offer. This fantasy that they are desperate to deal because they want to tank is purely that, a fantasy.

The fantasy is you thinking market dynamics don't apply to the player your favorite team has because in your imagination you think it doesn't apply, it absolutely does apply. You can wait for 3 years for this imaginary offer and if it never shows up he leaves your imaginary ass and the franchise for nothing.

Along the way there is a considerable amount of risk that can devalue this asset dropping it even further away from this imaginary offer you think is going to drop out of the heavens while the clock ticks on this time cushion you have waiting for the imaginary offer that might never come.

There are way more scenarios where something can happen during that time that can devalue a player than there are scenarios of teams coming up with the fantastical package your GM thinks he can get. In the end the Knicks will have the last offer because they have what your GM wants.

You can't compare one player with another, one trade with another or one team with another and expect to get an exact duplication of value. No matter how desperately you want to do that this isn't how markets work, all the variables change and those change the conditions of the market.

You saying what you think it should be on a forum doesn't actually change what it is and occasionally you will run into someone as observant as me who will let you know your imagination doesn't make it reality....this isn't 'the secret'. So good luck with waiting for your fantasy offer.

Stupor is correct look at the bb news here 1 pick plus brown and smart and that was the best offer for KD, even though KD is older and a headcase he is the better player when he plays.
Mitchell can sit with the Jazz or Ainge can show the world what a moron he is by passing a legitimate trade for him by having imaginary ones with no legs leaked to the press.

[TrueWarrior]

The Pat Bev trade shows Ainge is human.

He was obviously just looking to dump Bev, as youd think he could fetch a bit more than SJ/THT. Shows his hand a bit that theyre indeed rebuilding, as Bev could have been a solid addition if they moved Conley or Clarkson. Not as talented but Bev would have been a better fit next to Mitchell. He wouldnt have been cool with tanking tho, so he had to go. Stay tuned.

[3toheadmelo]

New intel from Tony Jones

Utah and the New York Knicks have had ongoing discussions, but those talks have not yielded progress to the point of a trade being imminent. As those talks have lingered, the Jazz have begun fielding offers from other teams, league sources tell The Athletic. As of Thursday morning, the Jazz have multiple offers on the table for Mitchell from teams other than the Knicks that they deem intriguing and worth pursuing, according to sources. They are offers, sources say, that the Jazz feel are worth pursuing, should talks between Utah and the Knicks stall.

Mitchell hasn’t asked for a trade from the Jazz, according to sources. But, if he were to be traded, sources say, his preferred destination would be one of three places: the Knicks, the Brooklyn Nets, or the Miami Heat. Mitchell can’t be traded to the Nets as long as Ben Simmons is on the roster, which makes that destination unlikely, and now even more unlikely with Kevin Durant staying put. The Heat simply don’t have the assets that the Jazz are looking for, which makes that destination unlikely. The Knicks have the assets that the Jazz seek, which has made them a natural potential trade partner.

But, as of Thursday morning, the two sides aren’t close to a deal, according to sources.

The Jazz, sources say, remain steadfast on what they want in return if they were to trade Mitchell. They want a bushel of unprotected first-round picks. They want young players on manageable contracts that come with a significant amount of team control.

Trading Beverley, one of a number of veterans that are currently on the roster, for Horton-Tucker and Johnson, sends a clear signal that the Jazz are going young this upcoming season. But, the Jazz, sources say, are comfortable with going into the season with Mitchell on the roster, no matter who else is on the roster around him. If they are persuaded to trade Mitchell, they are committed to the lofty price they have set for themselves. If that price isn’t met, they are good with keeping him on the roster once training camp opens and into the season.

Why the hard line for Mitchell from the Jazz?

This is the simple part: They know Mitchell is one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league. They know that finding someone who can score 25 points a night, to go along with five assists and five rebounds isn’t easy. Mitchell will turn 26 years old in September but hasn’t reached the prime of his career. They know that they received enough assets in trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves — four first-round picks with three completely unprotected — that they are in a position to retool around Mitchell on the fly. And maybe most importantly, Mitchell has three years remaining on his current deal. So, settling for a trade that they deem to be 90 cents on the dollar or lower, is something that the Jazz are determined not to do.

The Jazz traded Beverley to the Lakers because he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline, at 34 years old. Utah’s previous front office regime, led by Dennis Lindsey, liked Horton-Tucker quite a bit in the predraft process when he was coming out of Iowa State. That regime included Justin Zanik, Utah’s current general manager.

It is unknown what role Horton-Tucker would play with the Jazz, because there are still so many moving parts to this roster. As of Thursday morning, Utah’s backcourt includes Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell, Malik Beasley, Jared Butler, Leandro Bolmaro and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. So, as of now, it’s impossible to project what kind of minutes or role Horton-Tucker would play.

But he is still young at 21 years old. He’s skilled with the basketball. He’s athletic and crafty and has the mindset of a natural scorer. At the same time, he hasn’t been a natural ball mover. He has a long way to go defensively, and his jumper needs significant growth. He has a year remaining on his current contract, with a player option representing a second season. So, this year would very much be a let’s see if this marriage can work season for the Jazz and Horton-Tucker.

Johnson is a former lottery pick who hasn’t played to that level in the NBA. But he is a decent wing defender. He’s a good athlete and he plays with a toughness that the Jazz roster didn’t play with last season.

[KnicksGadfly]

RJ will get traded soon I wonder how many of his fanboys stick around this board after satanic robot is gone?

I dunno if you could stick around if your purpose for existence is gone. Will you become a jazz fan?

[3toheadmelo]

Basically Ainge isn’t gonna do anything unless he’s robbing us

[nyknicks8016]

New intel from Tony Jones

Utah and the New York Knicks have had ongoing discussions, but those talks have not yielded progress to the point of a trade being imminent. As those talks have lingered, the Jazz have begun fielding offers from other teams, league sources tell The Athletic. As of Thursday morning, the Jazz have multiple offers on the table for Mitchell from teams other than the Knicks that they deem intriguing and worth pursuing, according to sources. They are offers, sources say, that the Jazz feel are worth pursuing, should talks between Utah and the Knicks stall.

Mitchell hasn’t asked for a trade from the Jazz, according to sources. But, if he were to be traded, sources say, his preferred destination would be one of three places: the Knicks, the Brooklyn Nets, or the Miami Heat. Mitchell can’t be traded to the Nets as long as Ben Simmons is on the roster, which makes that destination unlikely, and now even more unlikely with Kevin Durant staying put. The Heat simply don’t have the assets that the Jazz are looking for, which makes that destination unlikely. The Knicks have the assets that the Jazz seek, which has made them a natural potential trade partner.

But, as of Thursday morning, the two sides aren’t close to a deal, according to sources.

The Jazz, sources say, remain steadfast on what they want in return if they were to trade Mitchell. They want a bushel of unprotected first-round picks. They want young players on manageable contracts that come with a significant amount of team control.

Trading Beverley, one of a number of veterans that are currently on the roster, for Horton-Tucker and Johnson, sends a clear signal that the Jazz are going young this upcoming season. But, the Jazz, sources say, are comfortable with going into the season with Mitchell on the roster, no matter who else is on the roster around him. If they are persuaded to trade Mitchell, they are committed to the lofty price they have set for themselves. If that price isn’t met, they are good with keeping him on the roster once training camp opens and into the season.

Why the hard line for Mitchell from the Jazz?

This is the simple part: They know Mitchell is one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league. They know that finding someone who can score 25 points a night, to go along with five assists and five rebounds isn’t easy. Mitchell will turn 26 years old in September but hasn’t reached the prime of his career. They know that they received enough assets in trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves — four first-round picks with three completely unprotected — that they are in a position to retool around Mitchell on the fly. And maybe most importantly, Mitchell has three years remaining on his current deal. So, settling for a trade that they deem to be 90 cents on the dollar or lower, is something that the Jazz are determined not to do.

The Jazz traded Beverley to the Lakers because he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline, at 34 years old. Utah’s previous front office regime, led by Dennis Lindsey, liked Horton-Tucker quite a bit in the predraft process when he was coming out of Iowa State. That regime included Justin Zanik, Utah’s current general manager.

It is unknown what role Horton-Tucker would play with the Jazz, because there are still so many moving parts to this roster. As of Thursday morning, Utah’s backcourt includes Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell, Malik Beasley, Jared Butler, Leandro Bolmaro and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. So, as of now, it’s impossible to project what kind of minutes or role Horton-Tucker would play.

But he is still young at 21 years old. He’s skilled with the basketball. He’s athletic and crafty and has the mindset of a natural scorer. At the same time, he hasn’t been a natural ball mover. He has a long way to go defensively, and his jumper needs significant growth. He has a year remaining on his current contract, with a player option representing a second season. So, this year would very much be a let’s see if this marriage can work season for the Jazz and Horton-Tucker.

Johnson is a former lottery pick who hasn’t played to that level in the NBA. But he is a decent wing defender. He’s a good athlete and he plays with a toughness that the Jazz roster didn’t play with last season.

There are other offers but the only team you can name talking to the Jazz is the Knicks? amazing how that works

[Fat Kat]

New intel from Tony Jones

Utah and the New York Knicks have had ongoing discussions, but those talks have not yielded progress to the point of a trade being imminent. As those talks have lingered, the Jazz have begun fielding offers from other teams, league sources tell The Athletic. As of Thursday morning, the Jazz have multiple offers on the table for Mitchell from teams other than the Knicks that they deem intriguing and worth pursuing, according to sources. They are offers, sources say, that the Jazz feel are worth pursuing, should talks between Utah and the Knicks stall.

Mitchell hasn’t asked for a trade from the Jazz, according to sources. But, if he were to be traded, sources say, his preferred destination would be one of three places: the Knicks, the Brooklyn Nets, or the Miami Heat. Mitchell can’t be traded to the Nets as long as Ben Simmons is on the roster, which makes that destination unlikely, and now even more unlikely with Kevin Durant staying put. The Heat simply don’t have the assets that the Jazz are looking for, which makes that destination unlikely. The Knicks have the assets that the Jazz seek, which has made them a natural potential trade partner.

But, as of Thursday morning, the two sides aren’t close to a deal, according to sources.

The Jazz, sources say, remain steadfast on what they want in return if they were to trade Mitchell. They want a bushel of unprotected first-round picks. They want young players on manageable contracts that come with a significant amount of team control.

Trading Beverley, one of a number of veterans that are currently on the roster, for Horton-Tucker and Johnson, sends a clear signal that the Jazz are going young this upcoming season. But, the Jazz, sources say, are comfortable with going into the season with Mitchell on the roster, no matter who else is on the roster around him. If they are persuaded to trade Mitchell, they are committed to the lofty price they have set for themselves. If that price isn’t met, they are good with keeping him on the roster once training camp opens and into the season.

Why the hard line for Mitchell from the Jazz?

This is the simple part: They know Mitchell is one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league. They know that finding someone who can score 25 points a night, to go along with five assists and five rebounds isn’t easy. Mitchell will turn 26 years old in September but hasn’t reached the prime of his career. They know that they received enough assets in trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves — four first-round picks with three completely unprotected — that they are in a position to retool around Mitchell on the fly. And maybe most importantly, Mitchell has three years remaining on his current deal. So, settling for a trade that they deem to be 90 cents on the dollar or lower, is something that the Jazz are determined not to do.

The Jazz traded Beverley to the Lakers because he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline, at 34 years old. Utah’s previous front office regime, led by Dennis Lindsey, liked Horton-Tucker quite a bit in the predraft process when he was coming out of Iowa State. That regime included Justin Zanik, Utah’s current general manager.

It is unknown what role Horton-Tucker would play with the Jazz, because there are still so many moving parts to this roster. As of Thursday morning, Utah’s backcourt includes Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell, Malik Beasley, Jared Butler, Leandro Bolmaro and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. So, as of now, it’s impossible to project what kind of minutes or role Horton-Tucker would play.

But he is still young at 21 years old. He’s skilled with the basketball. He’s athletic and crafty and has the mindset of a natural scorer. At the same time, he hasn’t been a natural ball mover. He has a long way to go defensively, and his jumper needs significant growth. He has a year remaining on his current contract, with a player option representing a second season. So, this year would very much be a let’s see if this marriage can work season for the Jazz and Horton-Tucker.

Johnson is a former lottery pick who hasn’t played to that level in the NBA. But he is a decent wing defender. He’s a good athlete and he plays with a toughness that the Jazz roster didn’t play with last season.

Nothing but more Danny Ainge meat riding. Why don’t we ever see details of these “intriguing” offers? The Knicks offers are public, but these great offers from numerous mystery teams are always secretive

[ag3]

New intel from Tony Jones

Utah and the New York Knicks have had ongoing discussions, but those talks have not yielded progress to the point of a trade being imminent. As those talks have lingered, the Jazz have begun fielding offers from other teams, league sources tell The Athletic. As of Thursday morning, the Jazz have multiple offers on the table for Mitchell from teams other than the Knicks that they deem intriguing and worth pursuing, according to sources. They are offers, sources say, that the Jazz feel are worth pursuing, should talks between Utah and the Knicks stall.

Mitchell hasn’t asked for a trade from the Jazz, according to sources. But, if he were to be traded, sources say, his preferred destination would be one of three places: the Knicks, the Brooklyn Nets, or the Miami Heat. Mitchell can’t be traded to the Nets as long as Ben Simmons is on the roster, which makes that destination unlikely, and now even more unlikely with Kevin Durant staying put. The Heat simply don’t have the assets that the Jazz are looking for, which makes that destination unlikely. The Knicks have the assets that the Jazz seek, which has made them a natural potential trade partner.

But, as of Thursday morning, the two sides aren’t close to a deal, according to sources.

The Jazz, sources say, remain steadfast on what they want in return if they were to trade Mitchell. They want a bushel of unprotected first-round picks. They want young players on manageable contracts that come with a significant amount of team control.

Trading Beverley, one of a number of veterans that are currently on the roster, for Horton-Tucker and Johnson, sends a clear signal that the Jazz are going young this upcoming season. But, the Jazz, sources say, are comfortable with going into the season with Mitchell on the roster, no matter who else is on the roster around him. If they are persuaded to trade Mitchell, they are committed to the lofty price they have set for themselves. If that price isn’t met, they are good with keeping him on the roster once training camp opens and into the season.

Why the hard line for Mitchell from the Jazz?

This is the simple part: They know Mitchell is one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league. They know that finding someone who can score 25 points a night, to go along with five assists and five rebounds isn’t easy. Mitchell will turn 26 years old in September but hasn’t reached the prime of his career. They know that they received enough assets in trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves — four first-round picks with three completely unprotected — that they are in a position to retool around Mitchell on the fly. And maybe most importantly, Mitchell has three years remaining on his current deal. So, settling for a trade that they deem to be 90 cents on the dollar or lower, is something that the Jazz are determined not to do.

The Jazz traded Beverley to the Lakers because he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline, at 34 years old. Utah’s previous front office regime, led by Dennis Lindsey, liked Horton-Tucker quite a bit in the predraft process when he was coming out of Iowa State. That regime included Justin Zanik, Utah’s current general manager.

It is unknown what role Horton-Tucker would play with the Jazz, because there are still so many moving parts to this roster. As of Thursday morning, Utah’s backcourt includes Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell, Malik Beasley, Jared Butler, Leandro Bolmaro and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. So, as of now, it’s impossible to project what kind of minutes or role Horton-Tucker would play.

But he is still young at 21 years old. He’s skilled with the basketball. He’s athletic and crafty and has the mindset of a natural scorer. At the same time, he hasn’t been a natural ball mover. He has a long way to go defensively, and his jumper needs significant growth. He has a year remaining on his current contract, with a player option representing a second season. So, this year would very much be a let’s see if this marriage can work season for the Jazz and Horton-Tucker.

Johnson is a former lottery pick who hasn’t played to that level in the NBA. But he is a decent wing defender. He’s a good athlete and he plays with a toughness that the Jazz roster didn’t play with last season.

So basically, this says that the Knicks are the only realistic trade partner.

[whocares1]

So the people that were saying that the Jazz are in no rush to trade Mitchell…were right. What a surprise lol.

[mpharris36]

New intel from Tony Jones

Utah and the New York Knicks have had ongoing discussions, but those talks have not yielded progress to the point of a trade being imminent. As those talks have lingered, the Jazz have begun fielding offers from other teams, league sources tell The Athletic. As of Thursday morning, the Jazz have multiple offers on the table for Mitchell from teams other than the Knicks that they deem intriguing and worth pursuing, according to sources. They are offers, sources say, that the Jazz feel are worth pursuing, should talks between Utah and the Knicks stall.

Mitchell hasn’t asked for a trade from the Jazz, according to sources. But, if he were to be traded, sources say, his preferred destination would be one of three places: the Knicks, the Brooklyn Nets, or the Miami Heat. Mitchell can’t be traded to the Nets as long as Ben Simmons is on the roster, which makes that destination unlikely, and now even more unlikely with Kevin Durant staying put. The Heat simply don’t have the assets that the Jazz are looking for, which makes that destination unlikely. The Knicks have the assets that the Jazz seek, which has made them a natural potential trade partner.

But, as of Thursday morning, the two sides aren’t close to a deal, according to sources.

The Jazz, sources say, remain steadfast on what they want in return if they were to trade Mitchell. They want a bushel of unprotected first-round picks. They want young players on manageable contracts that come with a significant amount of team control.

Trading Beverley, one of a number of veterans that are currently on the roster, for Horton-Tucker and Johnson, sends a clear signal that the Jazz are going young this upcoming season. But, the Jazz, sources say, are comfortable with going into the season with Mitchell on the roster, no matter who else is on the roster around him. If they are persuaded to trade Mitchell, they are committed to the lofty price they have set for themselves. If that price isn’t met, they are good with keeping him on the roster once training camp opens and into the season.

Why the hard line for Mitchell from the Jazz?

This is the simple part: They know Mitchell is one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league. They know that finding someone who can score 25 points a night, to go along with five assists and five rebounds isn’t easy. Mitchell will turn 26 years old in September but hasn’t reached the prime of his career. They know that they received enough assets in trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves — four first-round picks with three completely unprotected — that they are in a position to retool around Mitchell on the fly. And maybe most importantly, Mitchell has three years remaining on his current deal. So, settling for a trade that they deem to be 90 cents on the dollar or lower, is something that the Jazz are determined not to do.

The Jazz traded Beverley to the Lakers because he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline, at 34 years old. Utah’s previous front office regime, led by Dennis Lindsey, liked Horton-Tucker quite a bit in the predraft process when he was coming out of Iowa State. That regime included Justin Zanik, Utah’s current general manager.

It is unknown what role Horton-Tucker would play with the Jazz, because there are still so many moving parts to this roster. As of Thursday morning, Utah’s backcourt includes Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell, Malik Beasley, Jared Butler, Leandro Bolmaro and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. So, as of now, it’s impossible to project what kind of minutes or role Horton-Tucker would play.

But he is still young at 21 years old. He’s skilled with the basketball. He’s athletic and crafty and has the mindset of a natural scorer. At the same time, he hasn’t been a natural ball mover. He has a long way to go defensively, and his jumper needs significant growth. He has a year remaining on his current contract, with a player option representing a second season. So, this year would very much be a let’s see if this marriage can work season for the Jazz and Horton-Tucker.

Johnson is a former lottery pick who hasn’t played to that level in the NBA. But he is a decent wing defender. He’s a good athlete and he plays with a toughness that the Jazz roster didn’t play with last season.

"intriguing offers"

then accept one of those intriguing offers...because they keep on saying "should" the knicks jazz talk stall so Ainge wants the Knicks trade but doesn't want to budge off his asking price to then budge off his asking price to another team? Seems ridiculous spin from the Jazz.

If the Jazz aren't going to budge off there 4 unprotected picks ask then this deal wont get done.

[mpharris36]

So the people that were saying that the Jazz are in no rush to trade Mitchell…were right. What a surprise lol.

that is complete spin. You think they want to deal with this during the regular season...and what happens if Mitchell gets hurt...they lose a chance at all those assets for nothing. Imagine every game you are praying nothing happens to your asset...its not an idea situation at all to keep him going into the year and it hurts there tank (which they clearly want too).

Its just a leverage play from Ainge...he is pushing every leverage play he has because the Knicks aren't threatened by these "other offers"

[rammagen]

New intel from Tony Jones

Utah and the New York Knicks have had ongoing discussions, but those talks have not yielded progress to the point of a trade being imminent. As those talks have lingered, the Jazz have begun fielding offers from other teams, league sources tell The Athletic. As of Thursday morning, the Jazz have multiple offers on the table for Mitchell from teams other than the Knicks that they deem intriguing and worth pursuing, according to sources. They are offers, sources say, that the Jazz feel are worth pursuing, should talks between Utah and the Knicks stall.

Mitchell hasn’t asked for a trade from the Jazz, according to sources. But, if he were to be traded, sources say, his preferred destination would be one of three places: the Knicks, the Brooklyn Nets, or the Miami Heat. Mitchell can’t be traded to the Nets as long as Ben Simmons is on the roster, which makes that destination unlikely, and now even more unlikely with Kevin Durant staying put. The Heat simply don’t have the assets that the Jazz are looking for, which makes that destination unlikely. The Knicks have the assets that the Jazz seek, which has made them a natural potential trade partner.

But, as of Thursday morning, the two sides aren’t close to a deal, according to sources.

The Jazz, sources say, remain steadfast on what they want in return if they were to trade Mitchell. They want a bushel of unprotected first-round picks. They want young players on manageable contracts that come with a significant amount of team control.

Trading Beverley, one of a number of veterans that are currently on the roster, for Horton-Tucker and Johnson, sends a clear signal that the Jazz are going young this upcoming season. But, the Jazz, sources say, are comfortable with going into the season with Mitchell on the roster, no matter who else is on the roster around him. If they are persuaded to trade Mitchell, they are committed to the lofty price they have set for themselves. If that price isn’t met, they are good with keeping him on the roster once training camp opens and into the season.

Why the hard line for Mitchell from the Jazz?

This is the simple part: They know Mitchell is one of the more dynamic offensive players in the league. They know that finding someone who can score 25 points a night, to go along with five assists and five rebounds isn’t easy. Mitchell will turn 26 years old in September but hasn’t reached the prime of his career. They know that they received enough assets in trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves — four first-round picks with three completely unprotected — that they are in a position to retool around Mitchell on the fly. And maybe most importantly, Mitchell has three years remaining on his current deal. So, settling for a trade that they deem to be 90 cents on the dollar or lower, is something that the Jazz are determined not to do.

The Jazz traded Beverley to the Lakers because he doesn’t fit Utah’s timeline, at 34 years old. Utah’s previous front office regime, led by Dennis Lindsey, liked Horton-Tucker quite a bit in the predraft process when he was coming out of Iowa State. That regime included Justin Zanik, Utah’s current general manager.

It is unknown what role Horton-Tucker would play with the Jazz, because there are still so many moving parts to this roster. As of Thursday morning, Utah’s backcourt includes Mike Conley, Jordan Clarkson, Mitchell, Malik Beasley, Jared Butler, Leandro Bolmaro and Nickeil Alexander-Walker. So, as of now, it’s impossible to project what kind of minutes or role Horton-Tucker would play.

But he is still young at 21 years old. He’s skilled with the basketball. He’s athletic and crafty and has the mindset of a natural scorer. At the same time, he hasn’t been a natural ball mover. He has a long way to go defensively, and his jumper needs significant growth. He has a year remaining on his current contract, with a player option representing a second season. So, this year would very much be a let’s see if this marriage can work season for the Jazz and Horton-Tucker.

Johnson is a former lottery pick who hasn’t played to that level in the NBA. But he is a decent wing defender. He’s a good athlete and he plays with a toughness that the Jazz roster didn’t play with last season.

Nothing but more Danny Ainge meat riding. Why don’t we ever see details of these “intriguing” offers? The Knicks offers are public, but these great offers from numerous mystery teams are always secretive

Danny is trying to put pressure on the Knicks and for the first time in a long time it is not working. name the other teams that can offer more then the Knicks last public offer.
The thunder aren't interested, I dont think the cavs would do this trade giving up young players +picks for him that leaves the Knicks with the best potential offer. Again we are bidding against ourselves the sooner Danny realizes that the sooner the the deal gets structured and completed

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Talk about selling out for a story, we thought Woj was bad, this reads like Ainge sent him the article to publish. I