2023 New York Yankees Thread

[Rich Rane]

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Tell Yamamoto he could only hangout with them if he signs with the Yankees.

Man....this just reminded me that Hideki Irabu is dead.

That hype he brought was crazy. That first night was special.

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Tell Yamamoto he could only hangout with them if he signs with the Yankees.

But do you have any current Japanese players on the roster?

Matsui can tell him how little that matters.

[Rich Rane]

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Tell Yamamoto he could only hangout with them if he signs with the Yankees.

I'm pretty damn fond of Kuroda too. Man was nice for us

He was pushing 40, but I was always surprised he never found another team here.

[HarthorneWingo]

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Tell Yamamoto he could only hangout with them if he signs with the Yankees.

Man....this just reminded me that Hideki Irabu is dead.

That hype he brought was crazy. That first night was special.

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Tell Yamamoto he could only hangout with them if he signs with the Yankees.

But do you have any current Japanese players on the roster?

Matsui can tell him how little that matters.

But you did not show proper respect by visiting his home in Japan. That's worse that a shyt bow.

[KnixtapeH20]

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Tell Yamamoto he could only hangout with them if he signs with the Yankees.

This has been in the know for a while but for Cashman to actually tweet this is wild. Swimmy Minami has a huge role in this, there have been scouts at every single of Yammatos starts, and Cashman was in Japan around the allstar break. Yankees need to wrap this up on Monday.

If he talking with them, he'll be a Yankee

Matsui LOVED his tenure here... he was such a beloved Yankee

[Rich Rane]

$680 million deferred after Shohei's contract means Dodgers are going hard on more free agents.

[KnicksGadfly]

$680 million deferred after Shohei's contract means Dodgers are going hard on more free agents.

This is nuts ... he gave the Dodgers such a good deal. The guy must be traumatized by his Angels experience.

[MrDollarBills]

$680 million deferred after Shohei's contract means Dodgers are going hard on more free agents.

Fooking HELL. Does this impact the Yanks in the pursuit for Yamamoto?

[Rich Rane]

$680 million deferred after Shohei's contract means Dodgers are going hard on more free agents.

Fooking HELL. Does this impact the Yanks in the pursuit for Yamamoto?

It certainly adds the Dodgers to the mix with both NY teams. San Fran might be willing to pay as much since they're missing out on Shohei as well. How desperate are these teams to get into a bidding war? Does Yamamoto have a team in mind already? We'll know soon enough.

[SelbyCobra]

$680 million deferred after Shohei's contract means Dodgers are going hard on more free agents.

Fooking HELL. Does this impact the Yanks in the pursuit for Yamamoto?

Unless Yamamoto actively doesn't want to play on the same team as Ohtani, I'd say it makes them the clear favorite for him.

The present day value of Ohtani's contract is something like 10/460, I believe I saw. His luxury tax hit is going to be "only $46M a year, or around there. That, and the fact that there's only need for $2M cashflow each season for Ohtani for the next decade, is a massive, MASSIVE advantage for the Dodgers to keep adding impact, high-salary guys.

[SelbyCobra]

Matsui/Tanaka did not meet with Yamamoto today, and the meeting was in LA, not NYC.

The things that the Yankees actually have going for them are 1) Yamamoto supposedly has had an interest in them (I believe based on growing up following Matsui/Tanaka), 2) they've already established a semi-relationship (Matsui is still a Yankee employee, and his agent - Joel Wolfe - is the same as Yamamoto's) and have been doing little things in preparation for his posting (intentionally holding his number open all of last year), and 3) Their willingness to actually spend money like they used to.

But this thing with the Dodgers is pretty crazy. They are absolutely, positively set up to sign him too now.

[MrDollarBills]

The deferred money -- totaling $680 million -- will be paid to Ohtani between 2034 and 2043, a source said.

Yeah i think that the Yankees are f*cked.

[KnicksGadfly]

The deferred money -- totaling $680 million -- will be paid to Ohtani between 2034 and 2043, a source said.

Yeah i think that the Yankees are f*cked.

Reminds me of the Decision

[MrDollarBills]

The deferred money -- totaling $680 million -- will be paid to Ohtani between 2034 and 2043, a source said.

Yeah i think that the Yankees are f*cked.

Reminds me of the Decision

[MrDollarBills]

So what prevents Steve Cohen offering Yamamoto a 500m contract with a massive deferment until 2030 or some crazy sh*t like that?

I know that deferment isn't exactly new but this is kinda nuts that this is even allowed. The Dodgers are circumventing the luxury tax.

[Knicksfan1992]

So what prevents Steve Cohen offering Yamamoto a 500m contract with a massive deferment until 2030 or some crazy sh*t like that?

I know that deferment isn't exactly new but this is kinda nuts that this is even allowed. The Dodgers are circumventing the luxury tax.

I agree. I can't believe there isn't some sort of percentage cap on how much you can actually defer. Seems like an easy solution to avoid something like this.

Yanks now need to worry about not only Yamamoto but also the Dodgers coming after Soto in a year's time smh

[SelbyCobra]

So what prevents Steve Cohen offering Yamamoto a 500m contract with a massive deferment until 2030 or some crazy sh*t like that?

I know that deferment isn't exactly new but this is kinda nuts that this is even allowed. The Dodgers are circumventing the luxury tax.

Not really, it's simply the contract that Ohtani agreed to. What prevents it from being done is a player wanting to be paid that way.

Think of it like Ohtani agreeing to a10/$460M deal, but with a unique pay schedule. The "10/$700M" thing is just eyewash.

The big "problem" non Dodger fans are feeling here isn't actually the structure of the deal they're pointing to, it's that Ohtani signed an extremely team-friendly contract when everyone thought he'd get more. This really is about Ohtani simply taking less than expected in order to build a championship roster with his preferred team; it's not really nefarious or gaming the system.

[MrDollarBills]

So what prevents Steve Cohen offering Yamamoto a 500m contract with a massive deferment until 2030 or some crazy sh*t like that?

I know that deferment isn't exactly new but this is kinda nuts that this is even allowed. The Dodgers are circumventing the luxury tax.

Not really, it's simply the contract that Ohtani agreed to. What prevents it from being done is a player wanting to be paid that way.

Think of it like Ohtani agreeing to a10/$460M deal, but with a unique pay schedule. The "10/$700M" thing is just eyewash.

The big "problem" non Dodger fans are feeling here isn't actually the structure of the deal they're pointing to, it's that Ohtani signed an extremely team-friendly contract when everyone thought he'd get more. This really is about Ohtani simply taking less than expected in order to build a championship roster with his preferred team; it's not really nefarious or gaming the system.

I don't think it's nefarious at all, and Ohtani offered this deal to his other suitors, but it is indeed gaming the system because it blatantly allows the Dodgers to circumvent the competitive tax.

It's an exploit of the current system because there's no cap on how much salary can be deferred. Not sure if this is the precedent that MLB wants to set since there's probably like what, a handful teams that can afford to do this? This makes me scared to death of the Mets next offseason.

It's a loophole that needs to be closed during the next CBA.

[MrDollarBills]

So what prevents Steve Cohen offering Yamamoto a 500m contract with a massive deferment until 2030 or some crazy sh*t like that?

I know that deferment isn't exactly new but this is kinda nuts that this is even allowed. The Dodgers are circumventing the luxury tax.

I agree. I can't believe there isn't some sort of percentage cap on how much you can actually defer. Seems like an easy solution to avoid something like this.

Yanks now need to worry about not only Yamamoto but also the Dodgers coming after Soto in a year's time smh

I'm shook now not even gonna lie. i think that we're cooked

[SelbyCobra]

So what prevents Steve Cohen offering Yamamoto a 500m contract with a massive deferment until 2030 or some crazy sh*t like that?

I know that deferment isn't exactly new but this is kinda nuts that this is even allowed. The Dodgers are circumventing the luxury tax.

Not really, it's simply the contract that Ohtani agreed to. What prevents it from being done is a player wanting to be paid that way.

Think of it like Ohtani agreeing to a10/$460M deal, but with a unique pay schedule. The "10/$700M" thing is just eyewash.

The big "problem" non Dodger fans are feeling here isn't actually the structure of the deal they're pointing to, it's that Ohtani signed an extremely team-friendly contract when everyone thought he'd get more. This really is about Ohtani simply taking less than expected in order to build a championship roster with his preferred team; it's not really nefarious or gaming the system.

I don't think it's nefarious at all, and Ohtani offered this deal to his other suitors, but it is indeed gaming the system because it blatantly allows the Dodgers to circumvent the competitive tax.

It's an exploit of the current system because there's no cap on how much salary can be deferred. Not sure if this is the precedent that MLB wants to set since there's probably like what, a handful teams that can afford to do this? This makes me scared to death of the Mets next offseason.

It's a loophole that needs to be closed during the next CBA.

He signed a $460M present day value deal - not $700M - and counts $46M each year against the LT - how is that gaming the system?

I'm not being obtuse here, I get what you are saying, but the problem most people are running into with this is that they heard "$700 million" and think that's a real number regarding his contract value. That number was basically brand advertising on social and traditional media for Shohei and his agent Joel Wolfe - there's a reason it was so perfect and even at exactly $700; it creates shock, awe, and adds to a growing, Bunyonesque legend. But it was never real money in the context that we understand traditional sports contracts.

And there are more teams than not that can afford to do this - it isn't a rich teams only thing. This structure benefits the team, not the player; it doesn't cost more, it costs less and allows greater financial flexibility in terms of cashflow, ability to operate in the present, AND prepare for the future.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Not really, it's simply the contract that Ohtani agreed to. What prevents it from being done is a player wanting to be paid that way.

Think of it like Ohtani agreeing to a10/$460M deal, but with a unique pay schedule. The "10/$700M" thing is just eyewash.

The big "problem" non Dodger fans are feeling here isn't actually the structure of the deal they're pointing to, it's that Ohtani signed an extremely team-friendly contract when everyone thought he'd get more. This really is about Ohtani simply taking less than expected in order to build a championship roster with his preferred team; it's not really nefarious or gaming the system.

I don't think it's nefarious at all, and Ohtani offered this deal to his other suitors, but it is indeed gaming the system because it blatantly allows the Dodgers to circumvent the competitive tax.

It's an exploit of the current system because there's no cap on how much salary can be deferred. Not sure if this is the precedent that MLB wants to set since there's probably like what, a handful teams that can afford to do this? This makes me scared to death of the Mets next offseason.

It's a loophole that needs to be closed during the next CBA.

He signed a $460M present day value deal - not $700M - and counts $46M each year against the LT - how is that gaming the system?

I'm not being obtuse here, I get what you are saying, but the problem most people are running into with this is that they heard "$700 million" and think that's a real number regarding his contract value. That number was basically brand advertising on social and traditional media for Shohei and his agent Joel Wolfe - there's a reason it was so perfect and even at exactly $700; it creates shock, awe, and adds to a growing, Bunyonesque legend. But it was never real money in the context that we understand traditional sports contracts.

And there are more teams than not that can afford to do this - it isn't a rich teams only thing. This structure benefits the team, not the player; it doesn't cost more, it costs less and allows greater financial flexibility in terms of cashflow, ability to operate in the present, AND prepare for the future.

Can you clarify all of this different numbers math? Is he getting 700mil or is that a lie and he's only getting 460mil? I haven't paid close enough attention so, I'm confused. Is it a back loaded deal or something?