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[god shammgod]

real talk though, this is one of those situations where anyone who pays him that will instantly regret it. he's the new jakob poeltl.

[Capn'O]

real talk though this is one of those situations where anyone who pays him that will instantly regret it. he's the new jakob poeltl.

It's too much. Even in this economy.

[mpharris36]

real talk though this is one of those situations where anyone who pays him that will instantly regret it. he's the new jakob poeltl.

the problem is we really aren't in a position to lose him...since we can't really replace him easily.

Mitch as much as I like what he does just can't be trusted for the full time gig with his injury history. Sims is a bum. I don't know an easy route to just replace him...I guess we can maybe try to find someone with MLE $ but someone as productive that fits our scheme as well?

Its more like a situation we won't like the $$$ he gets but do we really not have a choice to pay him to try and keep him?

[Richard4444]

Projected offseason.

Guaranteed salary
Randle: 29M
Brunson: 25M
Donte: 11,4M
Mitch: 14,3M
Deuce: 4,7M
Hart: 18,1M
Total (6players): 102,5M

Re-signings:
OG: 32M (140/4 or 180/5)
IHart: 16,2M (72,5M/4)
Precious 5M
Burks 4M
Total (10 players) : 159,7M

Dead Cap:
Bojan 0.7 (2M/3 stretched)
Total: 160,4M

MLE Guy 10M (it can go up to a 12,9M guy). It can be a FA or traded guy. Candidates: Melton, Caruso, Lowry, Derrick Jones, Caleb Martin, TJ McCollum, Gordon Hayward, Buddy, Malik, Thybule (11M), Olynik (12,9M)
Total (11 players): 170,4M

Benchwarmers:
25 pick 2,7M
38 pick 1,2M
Sims: 2M
Diakite 2M
Total (15 players): 177,9M
First Apron (Hard capped): 178,7M

Bojan is off by a factor of 10. 7 million.

We're not stretching him though. We're going to try to trade him. Money is going to be tight.

I suspect his contract is not perceived as a good contract.

19 Million to a heavy 35-year-old player who was never a star and recovering from surgery is a lot in a salary cap restriction environment.

Maybe we are trading him right now to get a player such as Brogdon right now. But I fear he would cost us more than 2 picks.

[Capn'O]

Projected offseason.

Guaranteed salary
Randle: 29M
Brunson: 25M
Donte: 11,4M
Mitch: 14,3M
Deuce: 4,7M
Hart: 18,1M
Total (6players): 102,5M

Re-signings:
OG: 32M (140/4 or 180/5)
IHart: 16,2M (72,5M/4)
Precious 5M
Burks 4M
Total (10 players) : 159,7M

Dead Cap:
Bojan 0.7 (2M/3 stretched)
Total: 160,4M

MLE Guy 10M (it can go up to a 12,9M guy). It can be a FA or traded guy. Candidates: Melton, Caruso, Lowry, Derrick Jones, Caleb Martin, TJ McCollum, Gordon Hayward, Buddy, Malik, Thybule (11M), Olynik (12,9M)
Total (11 players): 170,4M

Benchwarmers:
25 pick 2,7M
38 pick 1,2M
Sims: 2M
Diakite 2M
Total (15 players): 177,9M
First Apron (Hard capped): 178,7M

Bojan is off by a factor of 10. 7 million.

We're not stretching him though. We're going to try to trade him. Money is going to be tight.

I suspect his contract is not perceived as a good contract.

19 Million to a heavy 35-year-old player who was never a star and recovering from surgery is a lot in a salary cap restriction environment.

Maybe we are trading him right now to get a player such as Brogdon right now. But I fear he would cost us more than 2 picks.

It is expiring though and, assuming health, he'll be playable on a decent team, unlike Fournier.

[G_K_F]

Very simple - $16/17 mill per for Hartenstein is right about the money for a starting-caliber center. And he has proven he is a starter.

If he leaves then you bring in Valanciunas for the MLE.

Mitchell Robinson - he's a likable guy and brings defensive presence in the paint - but overall the guy is simply made of glass and we need to cut our losses this summer. This is the year to move on from Mitch and bring in a backup center who can stretch the floor. I'm done watching this dude play 35% of the season. Move on.

[DOT]

The problem is we can't match over a certain amount

If some team is really gonna offer him $20 mil per, we can't do that. It's like $14 or $15 mil per we can offer him? So even if we wanted to pay him to keep him, we kinda can't

Unless he wants to take a pay cut to come back, which I don't know if he would if we're talking a discrepancy of upwards of $20 million over the length of the deal when you consider he's not a star and he likely is only gonna get one shot at a big contract.

[sol537]

Projected offseason.

Guaranteed salary
Randle: 29M
Brunson: 25M
Donte: 11,4M
Mitch: 14,3M
Deuce: 4,7M
Hart: 18,1M
Total (6players): 102,5M

Re-signings:
OG: 32M (140/4 or 180/5)
IHart: 16,2M (72,5M/4)
Precious 5M
Burks 4M
Total (10 players) : 159,7M

Dead Cap:
Bojan 0.7 (2M/3 stretched)
Total: 160,4M

MLE Guy 10M (it can go up to a 12,9M guy). It can be a FA or traded guy. Candidates: Melton, Caruso, Lowry, Derrick Jones, Caleb Martin, TJ McCollum, Gordon Hayward, Buddy, Malik, Thybule (11M), Olynik (12,9M)
Total (11 players): 170,4M

Benchwarmers:
25 pick 2,7M
38 pick 1,2M
Sims: 2M
Diakite 2M
Total (15 players): 177,9M
First Apron (Hard capped): 178,7M

Bojan is off by a factor of 10. 7 million.

We're not stretching him though. We're going to try to trade him. Money is going to be tight.

I suspect his contract is not perceived as a good contract.

19 Million to a heavy 35-year-old player who was never a star and recovering from surgery is a lot in a salary cap restriction environment.

Maybe we are trading him right now to get a player such as Brogdon right now. But I fear he would cost us more than 2 picks.

I'm OK with the following:

-> OG starting at $32.5m with max annual raises
-> iHart starting at $16m with max annual raises
-> Thibs at 3-4 years extension $10m+ yearly
-> Sending Bogs plus picks to CHI for Alex Caruso (I think CHI finally enters rebuild mode)
-> Drafting 3 NBA-ready guys like Da Silva (24), Edey (25), and Hall (38) to cheap depth
-> Standing pat with everyone else to see what we have until the Feb '25 trade deadline

iHart / Mitch / Edey (25)
Randle / Hart / Hall (38)
OG / Da Silva (24)
DDV / Caruso
Brunson / McBride

Who says no?

[god shammgod]

real talk though this is one of those situations where anyone who pays him that will instantly regret it. he's the new jakob poeltl.

the problem is we really aren't in a position to lose him...since we can't really replace him easily.

Mitch as much as I like what he does just can't be trusted for the full time gig with his injury history. Sims is a bum. I don't know an easy route to just replace him...I guess we can maybe try to find someone with MLE $ but someone as productive that fits our scheme as well?

Its more like a situation we won't like the $$$ he gets but do we really not have a choice to pay him to try and keep him?

in my opinion we're probably not making a star trade this summer so they can use bojan's money to trade for a center.

maybe trade for capela who's also expiring after this year

[mpharris36]

real talk though this is one of those situations where anyone who pays him that will instantly regret it. he's the new jakob poeltl.

the problem is we really aren't in a position to lose him...since we can't really replace him easily.

Mitch as much as I like what he does just can't be trusted for the full time gig with his injury history. Sims is a bum. I don't know an easy route to just replace him...I guess we can maybe try to find someone with MLE $ but someone as productive that fits our scheme as well?

Its more like a situation we won't like the $$$ he gets but do we really not have a choice to pay him to try and keep him?

since. my opinion, we're probably not making a star trade this summer. they can use bojan's money to trade for a center.

maybe trade for capela who's also expiring after this year

that certainly doesn't make us better

[GONYK]

This is GONYK's doing. Huge Culver fan.

Just waiting for the Woj bomb that we signed him so I can get the jersey

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[KnixinSix]

Until Finals are over you aren't going to hear much on who is intended to be on the move. I think with the new CBA there is going to be some movement of at least a few big names. Hopefully the right one ends up on our team.

[GONYK]

real talk though this is one of those situations where anyone who pays him that will instantly regret it. he's the new jakob poeltl.

the problem is we really aren't in a position to lose him...since we can't really replace him easily.

Mitch as much as I like what he does just can't be trusted for the full time gig with his injury history. Sims is a bum. I don't know an easy route to just replace him...I guess we can maybe try to find someone with MLE $ but someone as productive that fits our scheme as well?

Its more like a situation we won't like the $$$ he gets but do we really not have a choice to pay him to try and keep him?

There's no negotiation. He knows what the max we can offer him is and we're going to give it to him.

iHart likely knows right now if he's leaving or not, but every public statement he's made strongly implies that he wants to stay.

[NoStatsGuy]

ihart isnt going anywhere, relax guys. i have his number, trust me guys.

[Fury]

ihart isnt going anywhere, relax guys. i have his number, trust me guys.

Good looks

[Capn'O]

I'm sure he wants to stay. He obviously likes it here. But does he like it here to the tune of 5 million a year less + cost of living?

There's almost certainly a poaching number. We did it with him. Will somebody offer it though?


Do NOT want Capela as a replacement. We need somebody who can offer something more sympatico with our offense and a change of pace from Mitch. I'd take Fernando as a 3rd stringer/2nd for injury.

[mpharris36]

real talk though this is one of those situations where anyone who pays him that will instantly regret it. he's the new jakob poeltl.

the problem is we really aren't in a position to lose him...since we can't really replace him easily.

Mitch as much as I like what he does just can't be trusted for the full time gig with his injury history. Sims is a bum. I don't know an easy route to just replace him...I guess we can maybe try to find someone with MLE $ but someone as productive that fits our scheme as well?

Its more like a situation we won't like the $$$ he gets but do we really not have a choice to pay him to try and keep him?

There's no negotiation. He knows what the max we can offer him is and we're going to give it to him.

iHart likely knows right now if he's leaving or not, but every public statement he's made strongly implies that he wants to stay.

yeah I don't see OKC giving him more than 2 years because they eventually have to pay J-dub and Chet. That really isn't there system to pay a non shooting big when they play Chet at the center a lot.

And if he signs 2 years elsewhere he doesn't get his bird rights so he could be in the same situation again. He knows he's the starting center here and in a good situation if he takes a 2 year deal anywhere its probably here. Or if he wants longterm security like you said he knows the max we can offer him.

[Wildcat]

I'm sure he wants to stay. He obviously likes it here. But does he like it here to the tune of 5 million a year less + cost of living?

There's almost certainly a poaching number. We did it with him. Will somebody offer it though?

Do NOT want Capela as a replacement. We need somebody who can offer something more sympatico with our offense and a change of pace from Mitch. I'd take Fernando as a 3rd stringer/2nd for injury.

Knicks didn't poach him. Clippers didn't want him. I-Hart said he was pulling to take a pay cut to stay with them, but they (Clippers) wanted Wall instead. If you listened to this interviews and stuff on Podcasts, it's obvious as Sun dawning that he's going to stay a Knick. If the only thing you knew that he was pulling to take a pay cut to stay with the Clippers, then you understand where his head is at. And it's very obvious is not about money.

[The Vo Show]

The problem is we can't match over a certain amount

If some team is really gonna offer him $20 mil per, we can't do that. It's like $14 or $15 mil per we can offer him? So even if we wanted to pay him to keep him, we kinda can't

Unless he wants to take a pay cut to come back, which I don't know if he would if we're talking a discrepancy of upwards of $20 million over the length of the deal when you consider he's not a star and he likely is only gonna get one shot at a big contract.

I'm all for giving Ihart the max we can (72.5/4) since the contract will look like a normal contract by the time the new CBA rolls around. But I was thinking about how he plays and what he does for us on offense and realized Randle can do all those things plus shoot the 3. Randle just needs to move his game from left elbow to top of the key.

That made me think about the trio of Robinson, Randle and Hartenstein. Hartenstein is kinda like the hybrid between Randle and Robinson; passing and rebounding on offense, defensive anchor. But they are both better than him at their respective strong sides of the ball. Makes me think maybe Hartenstein isn't worth the money. Also makes me think about how the locker room changes if you lose a guy like Ihart who all his teammates seem to love.

[Spree2Houston]

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