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Leon isn't a guy that's gonna let a friend ruin his legacy. Thibs will be gone in this offseason when we lose in the 2nd round.

Just hope we don't suffer any major injuries between then. If not we will have some more highs and lows this season when we inevitably lose in the 2nd round

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Heads are about to roll Guanyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just didn't understand the logic of drafting a 19 year old in Dadiet when there were guys still available in the draft who could play immediately who are not teenagers. There are a bunch of 21 and 22 year olds contributing on playoff teams. Some of these guys we actually drafted ourselves and traded down or for future picks.

Ryan Dunn was drafted by the Suns with the 28th pick. 22 years old, and he is their starting SF.

Ajay Mitchell ended up on the Thunder, but he was actually drafted by the Knicks with the 38th pick. Now he is one of their top rotation players. 22 years old

Oso Ighodaro ended up on the Suns, but he was actually drafted by the Knicks with the 40th pick. Now he is their back-up center, having taken Nurkic's spot. 22 years old.

Jaylen Wells was drafted with the 39th pick. 21 years old and he is their starting shooting guard.

If we are in win now mode, we don't have time to waste developing a kid like Dadiet.

Hukporti and Kolek are ready to play now, but aren't getting the chance.

[JayTWill]

Who is the new coach you want to get?

Since you seem to be so caught up in the idea of people simply blaming the coach I will quote myself to show my opinion on the coach, the roster and the depth from September right after the KAT trade...

Spoiler:

Thibs is who he is and KAT is who he is until they show me something different. KAT struggled with Thibs defensively before and I don't think an injury prone Mitch solves that problem.

Offensively we are fantasizing about all the spacing and how much better things will look as if Thibs is some incredible offensive mind. As if the offense has not always been somebody pounding the air out of the ball with everyone else just standing around. Brunson will have a ton of space to do his thing but a 6'1-6'2 guard is not some unstoppable force no matter how much we talk crap about anyone who disagrees.

Steph had a ton of success in the league as a small guard but their championship offense led by him is the complete opposite of Thibs' offense. Maybe this is the year Thibs finally unlocks his massive playbook he has created from all the hours studying film but he has not done it up until this point no matter who he had on the roster. Maybe the new personnel changes things but I expect to see different players forced to iso no matter if they are qualified to do it no matter what. I expect to see Brunson have a ton of success doing it while others may struggle. Thibs will have to be more creative on both ends of the court for this to succeed.

They have now built a roster with questionable depth and multiple injury prone players. Guys like Payne, Precious and (Morris) were all out of the rotation at the start of the postseason which is a pretty clear indicator that their coaches did not believe they could contribute to winning at that time. Of their top 7 players 3 of them are huge injury risks. It's an incredibly fragile team with weak depth imo.

I have been critical of Thibs' coaching, the top players, the bench, the roster construction and the organization's asset management. This off-season I was ready to move on from Randle, Mitch and Thibs. Having a discussion about new coaches is a lot more difficult than having a discussion about new players since many good coaches were previously unknown and unproven until given an opportunity. Thibs has already been given plenty of opportunities in this league. We know exactly who he is.

I'm less concerned with who the coach is and more concerned with what their coaching philosophy will be. I just want a coach that is more creative offensively and more flexible defensively along with being better at managing the rotation. It's great that Thibs can get guys to run through a wall for him but it would be nice if there was an actual strategy to go around or over the wall instead sometimes.

If you just want me to throw out a realistic name that should be available I wouldn't mind the organization interviewing James Borrego, former Hornets coach and the Cavs 2nd option behind Atkinson this off-season. 47 years old. From the Pop coaching tree. Considered a good offensive mind. Had some experience building an offense around a small scoring guard in Kemba before they went into a quick reset trading Kemba away and got the team back to 42 wins in a couple years. Flamed out in the play-in game 2 years in a row with a young roster.

His offensive system requires more player movement and off-ball screening but simplifies the reads for the on-ball player which I think would be beneficial for a team like ours that lacks a true distributor in the current rotation.

I'm also open to making adjustments to the roster and rotation as I feel the team has too many guys that want/need touches similar to the pre-OG 2023-2024 Knicks but not enough guys to do the little things. I will save that discussion for the trade board or trade thread. So, what changes would you make? Do you just want to continue what we are doing right now?

Thanks for a coaching suggestion. I don't know much about Borrego so I looked up what Hornets fans said about him and they say he has some deep flaws with defense, short rotations and player development:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vk0b2b/what_was_wrong_with_james_borrego/

Spoiler:

Coached some of the worst defenses in the league. It's tough to say how much is to blame on young/bad defensive players but the end product on the court wasn't pretty. Lots of bad rotations, glaring mistakes, missing every rebound in the clutch, etc.

Overrated offense. Yeah the scoring totals were high and the assist numbers were excellent but it was always a regular season gimmicks. Overreliance on transition buckets, players struggling to create when chased off the 3pt line. This is also probably why the defense sucked tbh. Both seasons the offense actually collapsed down the stretch and we routinely were shut down by actual playoff teams. I'd rather have a consistent 115ppg team than a team that scores 145 on tanking teams and 100 against good defenses.

Strange personnel decisions. I'm not talking about the rotations that every fan complains about, I'm talking about only using 8-man lineups on a team that is not very top-heavy. Cutting average rookies for months at a time to play mediocre vets. He did the exact same thing in 2020 too. DNP'd Malik Monk until January only for him to have his best season of his career to that point. Cut Batum out of the lineup to the point where we were compelled to stretch his contract only for him to bolt to the Clippers and become a top role player. This is a fine strategy if the results can back it up with results, but two 10th place finishes just doesn't justify DNPing our lottery picks for half of the season. It's no secret that he also feuded with Kupchak over this very issue (the Vernon Carey Brooklyn game comes to mind)

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[–]Hornetsmauszx 7 points 2 years ago

You forget this, Calling every young player from the GLeague just to have them DNPs all the time. Having 4 young promising Center and not playing them even when your starter Center was injured. He didn't develop, he didn't win, LaMelo seemed to lost respect for him at the end of the season.

But who knows, maybe he comes here and takes us to the next level.

What I would do is not the sexy option, I would be patient. This is year 1 of this iteration of the team. There were three major trades in the calendar season two of which were in the summer. All the trades drained us of depth. Despite that we just had a 9 game winning streak last week. The next few weeks are important, If the wheels fall off and they start losing, Thibs may be on the hot seat and you could get Borrego.

Yeah, it wasn't a well put together roster and once Lamelo arrived he was eventually given the keys to do his thing even when Borrego didn't want to start him in his rookie season until he played more under control and better defensively which seemed to frustrate some in the fanbase and the organization. They got blown out in the play-in twice and then Borrego got canned. Atkinson backed out his deal and they went back to Clifford, another Van Gundy disciple and things completely collapsed.

Will Hardy in Utah, another Pop disciple runs an offense similar to the one Borrego was installing in Charlotte before Lamelo's arrival. After the Mitchell/Gobert trades they had far more success than anyone ever expected with it before trading away their remaining vets and tanking post trade deadline. The Knicks personnel is closer to the Jazz's personnel than whatever the Hornet's were putting on the floor and I'm just projecting a similar offense with a stretch big like KAT and scoring guards along with other vets could be effective here. Maybe Borrego is not the guy and I doubt Will Hardy is available but I still want the offense to be less reliant on on-ball creation.

In the end it was just nice to see an offense where sometimes there was just one set of eyes watching the ball handler while the other 4 were occupied off-ball rather than 5 sets of eyes just constantly watching one man. I'm tired of watching slow grind it out basketball where it seems far too often guys have to work very hard to get a clean look especially when the best guy at it is barely over 6 feet tall.

I have no issue giving Thibs until the end of the season to see if he can take this team to the next level but if the team continues to look uninspired it's time to move on but I also thought it was time to move on before to this point.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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You've always hated Thibs and think anybody else could do a much better job. So lets all tell Dolan to make Dice the coach since Thibs is close to getting fired any day now.

Hey Gravy, how can we upgrade Bryant if he's gone? Why am I mentioning that Bryant is gone in the other post but want to upgrade him in the one you posted, that's right, because you're using an older post. Even then, I'd take Dice as an interim coach, we're not winning a title this year with Thibs anyway, just as we won't win one with Dice.


I don't hate Thibs, I don't hate anyone, this is you just applying some nonsense because you're emotional about this. I do however want him gone, and I have been talking about his minutes abuse since last season.

I'm just repeating what you said, you prefer Dice and any coach top 2 in minutes is getting fired soon. The amount of crashing out over this around here is way more emotional than me. I'm enjoying the team.. and the unhinged meltdowns too! lol

My stance is most fans overrated our team and now expects them to win a championship and is blaming the coach when the team just does not have enough to contend with the elites yet. KAT is great offensively but our defense still took a major hit with him at center. The loss of Randle is big because Hart added much more depth off the bench, and speaking of the bench... Sure the minutes are a problem but that's because of a very thin roster IMO.

Its easy low hanging fruit to blame the coach at the first sign of trouble especially with his perceived hatred of all kids. Like ol' shammy said every fanbase does it. I'm just explaining why I think there are other reasons its not as good as we want it to be yet.

I said we should promote Johnnie, where is he though Gravy? Where has he gone? If we were Cavs fans you no doubt would have been saying we need to keep Bickerstaff

The team isn't overrated at all, it has a top 10 defense through the first 3 quarters of the game, then it collapses and becomes one of the bottom 3 worst defenses in the NBA, you can literally track the players DRTG from quarter to quarter and fatigue set in. You don't go from top 10 defensively to 27th just because of dumb luck, it's because the players are tired. You don't play guys for 24 straight minutes and expect them to be able to close out on shooters, nobody else does this, just the dinosaur. When have you ever seen us do anything unconventional on defense? The Cavs went to a zone against the Thunder to protect their worst defenders, the Thunder went to a zone against us and it completely stalled out our offense. It's been 5 seasons of teams running a zone against us and our team looking completely confused on what to do


When a coach has the same problems through multiple teams, rosters and across eras, he's to blame. Again, when are you going to answer why Tom always seems to have benches that play low minutes, is he just unlucky and saddled with bad benches through 13 seasons, or does he simply not play them? The Cavs bench is the same as last year, they have gone from 20th in MPG to 3rd, people said their bench sucked last year and with the same guys it's now the most productive bench in the league. Acting like coaching doesn't make a difference is crazy, why even have a coach at all if Thibs isn't to blame for these things? If he's not to blame for anything then he shouldn't get credit for anything as well, which makes your fear of firing him irrational.

[Clyde_Style]

Hey Gravy, how can we upgrade Bryant if he's gone? Why am I mentioning that Bryant is gone in the other post but want to upgrade him in the one you posted, that's right, because you're using an older post. Even then, I'd take Dice as an interim coach, we're not winning a title this year with Thibs anyway, just as we won't win one with Dice.


I don't hate Thibs, I don't hate anyone, this is you just applying some nonsense because you're emotional about this. I do however want him gone, and I have been talking about his minutes abuse since last season.

I'm just repeating what you said, you prefer Dice and any coach top 2 in minutes is getting fired soon. The amount of crashing out over this around here is way more emotional than me. I'm enjoying the team.. and the unhinged meltdowns too! lol

My stance is most fans overrated our team and now expects them to win a championship and is blaming the coach when the team just does not have enough to contend with the elites yet. KAT is great offensively but our defense still took a major hit with him at center. The loss of Randle is big because Hart added much more depth off the bench, and speaking of the bench... Sure the minutes are a problem but that's because of a very thin roster IMO.

Its easy low hanging fruit to blame the coach at the first sign of trouble especially with his perceived hatred of all kids. Like ol' shammy said every fanbase does it. I'm just explaining why I think there are other reasons its not as good as we want it to be yet.

Preach

NDOS gonna single-handledly get Thibs the boot
I said we should promote Johnnie, where is he though Gravy? Where has he gone? If we were Cavs fans you no doubt would have been saying we need to keep Bickerstaff

The team isn't overrated at all, it has a top 10 defense through the first 3 quarters of the game, then it collapses and becomes one of the bottom 3 worst defenses in the NBA, you can literally track the players DRTG from quarter to quarter and fatigue set in. You don't go from top 10 defensively to 27th just because of dumb luck, it's because the players are tired. You don't play guys for 24 straight minutes and expect them to be able to close out on shooters, nobody else does this, just the dinosaur.


When a coach has the same problems through multiple teams, rosters and across eras, he's to blame. Again, when are you going to answer why Tom always seems to have benches that play low minutes, is he just unlucky and saddled with bad benches through 13 seasons, or does he simply not play them? The Cavs bench is the same as last year, they have gone from 20th in MPG to 3rd, people said their bench sucked last year and with the same guys it's now the most productive bench in the league. Acting like coaching doesn't make a difference is crazy, why even have a coach at all if Thibs isn't to blame for these things? If he's not to blame for anything then he shouldn't get credit for anything as well, which makes your fear of firing him irrational.

[Clyde_Style]

Hey Gravy, how can we upgrade Bryant if he's gone? Why am I mentioning that Bryant is gone in the other post but want to upgrade him in the one you posted, that's right, because you're using an older post. Even then, I'd take Dice as an interim coach, we're not winning a title this year with Thibs anyway, just as we won't win one with Dice.


I don't hate Thibs, I don't hate anyone, this is you just applying some nonsense because you're emotional about this. I do however want him gone, and I have been talking about his minutes abuse since last season.

I'm just repeating what you said, you prefer Dice and any coach top 2 in minutes is getting fired soon. The amount of crashing out over this around here is way more emotional than me. I'm enjoying the team.. and the unhinged meltdowns too! lol

My stance is most fans overrated our team and now expects them to win a championship and is blaming the coach when the team just does not have enough to contend with the elites yet. KAT is great offensively but our defense still took a major hit with him at center. The loss of Randle is big because Hart added much more depth off the bench, and speaking of the bench... Sure the minutes are a problem but that's because of a very thin roster IMO.

Its easy low hanging fruit to blame the coach at the first sign of trouble especially with his perceived hatred of all kids. Like ol' shammy said every fanbase does it. I'm just explaining why I think there are other reasons its not as good as we want it to be yet.

I said we should promote Johnnie, where is he though Gravy? Where has he gone? If we were Cavs fans you no doubt would have been saying we need to keep Bickerstaff

The team isn't overrated at all, it has a top 10 defense through the first 3 quarters of the game, then it collapses and becomes one of the bottom 3 worst defenses in the NBA, you can literally track the players DRTG from quarter to quarter and fatigue set in. You don't go from top 10 defensively to 27th just because of dumb luck, it's because the players are tired. You don't play guys for 24 straight minutes and expect them to be able to close out on shooters, nobody else does this, just the dinosaur.


When a coach has the same problems through multiple teams, rosters and across eras, he's to blame. Again, when are you going to answer why Tom always seems to have benches that play low minutes, is he just unlucky and saddled with bad benches through 13 seasons, or does he simply not play them? The Cavs bench is the same as last year, they have gone from 20th in MPG to 3rd, people said their bench sucked last year and with the same guys it's now the most productive bench in the league. Acting like coaching doesn't make a difference is crazy, why even have a coach at all if Thibs isn't to blame for these things? If he's not to blame for anything then he shouldn't get credit for anything as well, which makes your fear of firing him irrational.

Preach

NDOS gonna single-handledly get Thibs the boot

[Gravy]

Hey Gravy, how can we upgrade Bryant if he's gone? Why am I mentioning that Bryant is gone in the other post but want to upgrade him in the one you posted, that's right, because you're using an older post. Even then, I'd take Dice as an interim coach, we're not winning a title this year with Thibs anyway, just as we won't win one with Dice.


I don't hate Thibs, I don't hate anyone, this is you just applying some nonsense because you're emotional about this. I do however want him gone, and I have been talking about his minutes abuse since last season.

I'm just repeating what you said, you prefer Dice and any coach top 2 in minutes is getting fired soon. The amount of crashing out over this around here is way more emotional than me. I'm enjoying the team.. and the unhinged meltdowns too! lol

My stance is most fans overrated our team and now expects them to win a championship and is blaming the coach when the team just does not have enough to contend with the elites yet. KAT is great offensively but our defense still took a major hit with him at center. The loss of Randle is big because Hart added much more depth off the bench, and speaking of the bench... Sure the minutes are a problem but that's because of a very thin roster IMO.

Its easy low hanging fruit to blame the coach at the first sign of trouble especially with his perceived hatred of all kids. Like ol' shammy said every fanbase does it. I'm just explaining why I think there are other reasons its not as good as we want it to be yet.

I said we should promote Johnnie, where is he though Gravy? Where has he gone? If we were Cavs fans you no doubt would have been saying we need to keep Bickerstaff

The team isn't overrated at all, it has a top 10 defense through the first 3 quarters of the game, then it collapses and becomes one of the bottom 3 worst defenses in the NBA, you can literally track the players DRTG from quarter to quarter and fatigue set in. You don't go from top 10 defensively to 27th just because of dumb luck, it's because the players are tired. You don't play guys for 24 straight minutes and expect them to be able to close out on shooters, nobody else does this, just the dinosaur. When have you ever seen us do anything unconventional on defense? The Cavs went to a zone against the Thunder to protect their worst defenders, the Thunder went to a zone against us and it completely stalled out our offense. It's been 5 seasons of teams running a zone against us and our team looking completely confused on what to do


When a coach has the same problems through multiple teams, rosters and across eras, he's to blame. Again, when are you going to answer why Tom always seems to have benches that play low minutes, is he just unlucky and saddled with bad benches through 13 seasons, or does he simply not play them? The Cavs bench is the same as last year, they have gone from 20th in MPG to 3rd, people said their bench sucked last year and with the same guys it's now the most productive bench in the league. Acting like coaching doesn't make a difference is crazy, why even have a coach at all if Thibs isn't to blame for these things? If he's not to blame for anything then he shouldn't get credit for anything as well, which makes your fear of firing him irrational.

Its interesting you said the Cavs bench is the same as last year. We still have Mcbride who missed 10 games and Precious who missed half the season. Sims was not in the rotation nor would you want him to be and the rest are new to the team including 3 low picked rookies from a weak draft. You are comparing a bench that had a season to play together to our new bench that missed its two best players for most games. You always leave out context like this.

I'm curious where did you get the DRTG stats from?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I'm just repeating what you said, you prefer Dice and any coach top 2 in minutes is getting fired soon. The amount of crashing out over this around here is way more emotional than me. I'm enjoying the team.. and the unhinged meltdowns too! lol

My stance is most fans overrated our team and now expects them to win a championship and is blaming the coach when the team just does not have enough to contend with the elites yet. KAT is great offensively but our defense still took a major hit with him at center. The loss of Randle is big because Hart added much more depth off the bench, and speaking of the bench... Sure the minutes are a problem but that's because of a very thin roster IMO.

Its easy low hanging fruit to blame the coach at the first sign of trouble especially with his perceived hatred of all kids. Like ol' shammy said every fanbase does it. I'm just explaining why I think there are other reasons its not as good as we want it to be yet.

I said we should promote Johnnie, where is he though Gravy? Where has he gone? If we were Cavs fans you no doubt would have been saying we need to keep Bickerstaff

The team isn't overrated at all, it has a top 10 defense through the first 3 quarters of the game, then it collapses and becomes one of the bottom 3 worst defenses in the NBA, you can literally track the players DRTG from quarter to quarter and fatigue set in. You don't go from top 10 defensively to 27th just because of dumb luck, it's because the players are tired. You don't play guys for 24 straight minutes and expect them to be able to close out on shooters, nobody else does this, just the dinosaur. When have you ever seen us do anything unconventional on defense? The Cavs went to a zone against the Thunder to protect their worst defenders, the Thunder went to a zone against us and it completely stalled out our offense. It's been 5 seasons of teams running a zone against us and our team looking completely confused on what to do


When a coach has the same problems through multiple teams, rosters and across eras, he's to blame. Again, when are you going to answer why Tom always seems to have benches that play low minutes, is he just unlucky and saddled with bad benches through 13 seasons, or does he simply not play them? The Cavs bench is the same as last year, they have gone from 20th in MPG to 3rd, people said their bench sucked last year and with the same guys it's now the most productive bench in the league. Acting like coaching doesn't make a difference is crazy, why even have a coach at all if Thibs isn't to blame for these things? If he's not to blame for anything then he shouldn't get credit for anything as well, which makes your fear of firing him irrational.

Its interesting you said the Cavs bench is the same as last year. We still have Mcbride who missed 10 games and Precious who missed half the season. Sims was not in the rotation nor would you want him to be and the rest are new to the team including 3 low picked rookies from a weak draft. You are comparing a bench that had a season to play together to our new bench that missed its two best players for most games. You always leave out context like this.

I'm curious where did you get the DRTG stats from?

I see you still haven't answered.

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


I've answered enough questions by you, time for you to man up, stop ducking and address this. Throughout his career, these are the bench ranks by minute, they all must have sucked except for one, right? Or.....he just doesn't use his bench.

[Gravy]

I said we should promote Johnnie, where is he though Gravy? Where has he gone? If we were Cavs fans you no doubt would have been saying we need to keep Bickerstaff

The team isn't overrated at all, it has a top 10 defense through the first 3 quarters of the game, then it collapses and becomes one of the bottom 3 worst defenses in the NBA, you can literally track the players DRTG from quarter to quarter and fatigue set in. You don't go from top 10 defensively to 27th just because of dumb luck, it's because the players are tired. You don't play guys for 24 straight minutes and expect them to be able to close out on shooters, nobody else does this, just the dinosaur. When have you ever seen us do anything unconventional on defense? The Cavs went to a zone against the Thunder to protect their worst defenders, the Thunder went to a zone against us and it completely stalled out our offense. It's been 5 seasons of teams running a zone against us and our team looking completely confused on what to do


When a coach has the same problems through multiple teams, rosters and across eras, he's to blame. Again, when are you going to answer why Tom always seems to have benches that play low minutes, is he just unlucky and saddled with bad benches through 13 seasons, or does he simply not play them? The Cavs bench is the same as last year, they have gone from 20th in MPG to 3rd, people said their bench sucked last year and with the same guys it's now the most productive bench in the league. Acting like coaching doesn't make a difference is crazy, why even have a coach at all if Thibs isn't to blame for these things? If he's not to blame for anything then he shouldn't get credit for anything as well, which makes your fear of firing him irrational.

Its interesting you said the Cavs bench is the same as last year. We still have Mcbride who missed 10 games and Precious who missed half the season. Sims was not in the rotation nor would you want him to be and the rest are new to the team including 3 low picked rookies from a weak draft. You are comparing a bench that had a season to play together to our new bench that missed its two best players for most games. You always leave out context like this.

I'm curious where did you get the DRTG stats from?

I see you still haven't answered.

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


I've answered enough questions by you, time for you to man up, stop ducking and address this. Throughout his career, these are the bench ranks by minute, they all must have sucked except for one, right? Or.....he just doesn't use his bench.

Anybody that wont give their sources is hiding something. More out of context stats you really like doing that!

We went from Ihart and Josh Hart last year to Shamet and Jericho Sims and you think they should have the same impact.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Its interesting you said the Cavs bench is the same as last year. We still have Mcbride who missed 10 games and Precious who missed half the season. Sims was not in the rotation nor would you want him to be and the rest are new to the team including 3 low picked rookies from a weak draft. You are comparing a bench that had a season to play together to our new bench that missed its two best players for most games. You always leave out context like this.

I'm curious where did you get the DRTG stats from?

I see you still haven't answered.

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


I've answered enough questions by you, time for you to man up, stop ducking and address this. Throughout his career, these are the bench ranks by minute, they all must have sucked except for one, right? Or.....he just doesn't use his bench.

Anybody that wont give their sources is hiding something. More out of context stats you really like doing that!

We went from Ihart and Josh Hart last year to Shamet and Jericho Sims and you think they should have the same impact.

I don't see an answer, so you won't address this because it's pretty damning and hurts everything you've said.

Trying to Euro-step around this says everything we need to know.

[Gravy]

I see you still haven't answered.

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


I've answered enough questions by you, time for you to man up, stop ducking and address this. Throughout his career, these are the bench ranks by minute, they all must have sucked except for one, right? Or.....he just doesn't use his bench.

Anybody that wont give their sources is hiding something. More out of context stats you really like doing that!

We went from Ihart and Josh Hart last year to Shamet and Jericho Sims and you think they should have the same impact.

I don't see an answer, so you won't address this because it's pretty damning and hurts everything you've said.

Trying to Euro-step around this says everything we need to know.

Hold on. See the Cavs have these two guys coming off the bench and you have the audacity to compare them to Jericho Sims and Cam Payne Maybe Clyde_Style up there will easily fall for your scammer tricks. I'm flagging all your posts as Sh$tposts

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Anybody that wont give their sources is hiding something. More out of context stats you really like doing that!

We went from Ihart and Josh Hart last year to Shamet and Jericho Sims and you think they should have the same impact.

I don't see an answer, so you won't address this because it's pretty damning and hurts everything you've said.

Trying to Euro-step around this says everything we need to know.

Hold on. See the Cavs have these two guys coming off the bench and you have the audacity to compare them to Jericho Sims and Cam Payne Maybe Clyde_Style up there will easily fall for your scammer tricks. I'm flagging all your posts as Sh$tposts

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Still no answer, just deflection. That's what you do, you refuse to answer something because you know it makes your God look bad. Every post by you is a deflection, you will just ask questions rather than answer ones presented to you to hide. It's actually pretty sad, like you're actually afraid on a message board.


Burks was benched last season after we traded for him, until we had too many injuries, then he played in the playoffs and averaged 15ppg on 50% Also hilarious you had no idea who was on the Cavs bench, Niang would never play for us, they have to play zone to hide him on defense, and your lord and savior doesn't play zone.

[Gravy]

I don't see an answer, so you won't address this because it's pretty damning and hurts everything you've said.

Trying to Euro-step around this says everything we need to know.

Hold on. See the Cavs have these two guys coming off the bench and you have the audacity to compare them to Jericho Sims and Cam Payne Maybe Clyde_Style up there will easily fall for your scammer tricks. I'm flagging all your posts as Sh$tposts

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Still no answer, just deflection. That's what you do, you refuse to answer something because you know it makes your God look bad. Every post by you is a deflection, you will just ask questions rather than answer ones presented to you to hide. It's actually pretty sad, like you're actually afraid on a message board.


Burks was benched last season after we traded for him, until we had too many injuries, then he played in the playoffs and averaged 15ppg on 50% Also hilarious you had no idea who was on the Cavs bench, Niang would never play for us, they have to play zone to hide him on defense, and your lord and savior doesn't play zone.

You tried to covertly compare Caris Lavert and Niang to who we have like its the same thing. And you are throwing out stats you could have made up like the huckster charlatan you are. Now you are completely leaving out the months Burks sucked during the season hoping we forgot about it. Is this how hard you have to go at someone you claim you dont hate? Gish galloping all over the place

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Hold on. See the Cavs have these two guys coming off the bench and you have the audacity to compare them to Jericho Sims and Cam Payne Maybe Clyde_Style up there will easily fall for your scammer tricks. I'm flagging all your posts as Sh$tposts

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Still no answer, just deflection. That's what you do, you refuse to answer something because you know it makes your God look bad. Every post by you is a deflection, you will just ask questions rather than answer ones presented to you to hide. It's actually pretty sad, like you're actually afraid on a message board.


Burks was benched last season after we traded for him, until we had too many injuries, then he played in the playoffs and averaged 15ppg on 50% Also hilarious you had no idea who was on the Cavs bench, Niang would never play for us, they have to play zone to hide him on defense, and your lord and savior doesn't play zone.

You tried to covertly compare Caris Lavert and Niang to who we have like its the same thing. And you are throwing out stats you could have made up like the huckster charlatan you are. Now you are completely leaving out the months Burks sucked during the season hoping we forgot about it. Is this how hard you have to go at someone you claim you dont hate? Gish galloping all over the place

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


Answer, were all these benches bad? Or does he just not play his bench? Our interactions are done until you answer that simple question.

[The KnicksFix]

Still no answer, just deflection. That's what you do, you refuse to answer something because you know it makes your God look bad. Every post by you is a deflection, you will just ask questions rather than answer ones presented to you to hide. It's actually pretty sad, like you're actually afraid on a message board.


Burks was benched last season after we traded for him, until we had too many injuries, then he played in the playoffs and averaged 15ppg on 50% Also hilarious you had no idea who was on the Cavs bench, Niang would never play for us, they have to play zone to hide him on defense, and your lord and savior doesn't play zone.

You tried to covertly compare Caris Lavert and Niang to who we have like its the same thing. And you are throwing out stats you could have made up like the huckster charlatan you are. Now you are completely leaving out the months Burks sucked during the season hoping we forgot about it. Is this how hard you have to go at someone you claim you dont hate? Gish galloping all over the place

Bulls bench MPG rank by year

2010-11 - 14th
2011-12 - 28th
2012-13 - 27th
2013-14 -27th
2014-15 - 27th

Wolves bench MPG rank by year

2016-17 - 30th
2017-18 - 30th
2018-19 - 26th


Knicks bench MPG rank by year

2020-21 - 19th
2021-22 - 23rd
2022-23 - 27th
2023-24 - 29th
2024-25 - 30th


Answer, were all these benches bad? Or does he just not play his bench? Our interactions are done until you answer that simple question.

They wont answer bro, Thibs supporters will always just say “the bench is bad”. Acting as if Thibs wasn’t the guy who played Payton heavy minutes and didn’t let IQ see the light of day till late in his 2nd and 3rd seasons.

[Chanel Bomber]

Brunson and KAT aren't good defenders but they have carried our offense.

OG and Mikal haven't carried our defense like we hoped they would.

OG's a good defender but he's not close to the potential DPOY we hoped he might be for us, and Mikal coasted for the first 20 games of the season and even his best hasn't been dominant defensively. So when they're not providing any offense, it gets pretty ugly. I don't think either has played up to their new contract or trade cost, particularly on the defensive end, where they were expected to reliably provide outsize impact.

I think we're still in good shape. They're going through a rough patch but they have to keep their head up.

The Thunder just have more talent and SGA's a superior player to Brunson. Brunson's lack of size will always pose problems (particularly defensively), whereas SGA basically has no weakness. He's probably the most complete guard the NBA has seen since prime D-Wade. Shoutout to all those who wanted to trade for him years ago when he was just a promising young player.

And yes drop coverage doesn't work against all teams and OKC have the skill set on offense to beat it.

[RHODEY]

Leon isn't a guy that's gonna let a friend ruin his legacy. Thibs will be gone in this offseason when we lose in the 2nd round.

Just hope we don't suffer any major injuries between then. If not we will have some more highs and lows this season when we inevitably lose in the 2nd round

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Heads are about to roll Guanyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just didn't understand the logic of drafting a 19 year old in Dadiet when there were guys still available in the draft who could play immediately who are not teenagers. There are a bunch of 21 and 22 year olds contributing on playoff teams. Some of these guys we actually drafted ourselves and traded down or for future picks.

Ryan Dunn was drafted by the Suns with the 28th pick. 22 years old, and he is their starting SF.

Ajay Mitchell ended up on the Thunder, but he was actually drafted by the Knicks with the 38th pick. Now he is one of their top rotation players. 22 years old

Oso Ighodaro ended up on the Suns, but he was actually drafted by the Knicks with the 40th pick. Now he is their back-up center, having taken Nurkic's spot. 22 years old.

Jaylen Wells was drafted with the 39th pick. 21 years old and he is their starting shooting guard.

If we are in win now mode, we don't have time to waste developing a kid like Dadiet.

Hukporti and Kolek are ready to play now, but aren't getting the chance.

Agree about Dadiet. If that interest is real I'm packaging him up with Sims and 2nd rounders for Whitmore.

[thebuzzardman]

If you wanted to keep Grimes, he would not develop to what he is now. Thibs had the guy trying to play defense, with corner 3’s. Guys are relegated to their roles in the Thibs system.

Grimes got developed here. He's not anything more in Dallas right now than he was here. He had good games here too, then he'd disappear. Knicks made a decision they were comfortable with Deuce taking that role.

Do I wish they would have kept him? Sure. But he's not suddenly some incredible player or really all that different.

Thibs started him for f*cks sake.

Actually, it was Donte who took Grimes's spot and made him expendable. Though perhaps they ultimately saw Deuce as Grimes replacement.

Both are true.

However, the Knicks did go from having a pipeline of serviceable/good young drafted players from IQ to Grimes to Deuce to essentially having none, but that's the price for this, ahem, awesome starting 5.

[thebuzzardman]

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Brunson for three league average wings!

[thebuzzardman]

Leon isn't a guy that's gonna let a friend ruin his legacy. Thibs will be gone in this offseason when we lose in the 2nd round.

Just hope we don't suffer any major injuries between then. If not we will have some more highs and lows this season when we inevitably lose in the 2nd round

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I just didn't understand the logic of drafting a 19 year old in Dadiet when there were guys still available in the draft who could play immediately who are not teenagers. There are a bunch of 21 and 22 year olds contributing on playoff teams. Some of these guys we actually drafted ourselves and traded down or for future picks.

Ryan Dunn was drafted by the Suns with the 28th pick. 22 years old, and he is their starting SF.

Ajay Mitchell ended up on the Thunder, but he was actually drafted by the Knicks with the 38th pick. Now he is one of their top rotation players. 22 years old

Oso Ighodaro ended up on the Suns, but he was actually drafted by the Knicks with the 40th pick. Now he is their back-up center, having taken Nurkic's spot. 22 years old.

Jaylen Wells was drafted with the 39th pick. 21 years old and he is their starting shooting guard.

If we are in win now mode, we don't have time to waste developing a kid like Dadiet.

Hukporti and Kolek are ready to play now, but aren't getting the chance.

Whoever advocated for drafting Dadiet needs to be fired.

What a waste. With Dunn right there.

And f*ck all that noise that they needed the $800,000 discount or whatever between Dunn and Dadiet to facilitate the KAT trade. There had to be a better way. Like not drafting Sukporti for starters. Wouldn't that have saved some $? He doesn't play all that much anyway. Moses Brown could probably take his DNPs.