Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

Post #4321 » by **Mr. E** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:08 am

Marty McFly wrote:shumpert for montiajunas straight up works.

asik and lin for tyson and shumpert also works.

I would personally do the Shumpert for Motiejunas deal.

I would not do that extended deal. Yeah, the Asik situation is not optimal, but I think that we would be hurt by losing Lin without some sort of upgrade at the PG position. Not a good use of the value of those two.

Marty McFly · Post #4322 » by **Marty McFly** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:51 am

Mr. E wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:shumpert for montiajunas straight up works.

asik and lin for tyson and shumpert also works.

I would personally do the Shumpert for Motiejunas deal.

I would not do that extended deal. Yeah, the Asik situation is not optimal, but I think that we would be hurt by losing Lin without some sort of upgrade at the PG position. Not a good use of the value of those two.

doesn't harden do most of the ball handling? wouldn't a legit pg conflict with the way the offense runs?

xsaberx · Post #4323 » by **xsaberx** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:53 am

Knicks get:
Rondo
Okafor
Wallace
Humphries

Boston gets:
Hardaway or Shump or Phoenix 2014 1st with Shump going to Phoenix
Knicks 2018 1st
Wizards 2014 1st from Suns
Felton
Amare

Phoenix gets:
Chandler

EXPANDED

Knicks get:
Rondo
Okafor
Wallace
Asik
Garcia

Boston gets:
Hardaway or Shump or Phoenix 2014 1st with Shump going to Phoenix
Knicks 2018 1st
Wizards 2014 1st from Suns
Rockets 2014 1st or Philly 2014 2nd from Rockets
Felton
Amare

Phoenix gets:
Chandler

Houtson gets:
J Green
JR
Faverani

OR

Knicks get:
Rondo
Okafor
Wallace
Asik
Garcia

Boston gets:
Hardaway or Shump
Knicks 2018 1st
Blazers 2016 1st
Rockets 2014 1st or Philly 2014 2nd from Rockets
Robin Lo
Thomas Robinson
Felton
Amare

Portland gets:
Chandler

Houtson gets:
J Green
JR
Faverani

Boarder Patrol · Post #4324 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:20 pm

Mr. E wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:shumpert for montiajunas straight up works.

asik and lin for tyson and shumpert also works.

I would personally do the Shumpert for Motiejunas deal.

I would not do that extended deal. Yeah, the Asik situation is not optimal, but I think that we would be hurt by losing Lin without some sort of upgrade at the PG position. Not a good use of the value of those two.

Can we expand it to Shump + cash for D-Mo + protected 2nd? We could really use an infusion of young talent.

ozwizard8 · Post #4325 » by **ozwizard8** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:18 pm

xsaberx wrote:Knicks get:
Rondo
Okafor
Wallace
Humphries

Boston gets:
Hardaway or Shump or Phoenix 2014 1st with Shump going to Phoenix
Knicks 2018 1st
Wizards 2014 1st from Suns
Felton
Amare

Phoenix gets:
Chandler

EXPANDED

Knicks get:
Rondo
Okafor
Wallace
Asik
Garcia

Boston gets:
Hardaway or Shump or Phoenix 2014 1st with Shump going to Phoenix
Knicks 2018 1st
Wizards 2014 1st from Suns
Rockets 2014 1st or Philly 2014 2nd from Rockets

Felton
Amare

Phoenix gets:
Chandler

Houtson gets:
J Green
JR
Faverani

OR

Knicks get:
Rondo
Okafor
Wallace
Asik
Garcia

Boston gets:
Hardaway or Shump
Knicks 2018 1st
Blazers 2016 1st
Rockets 2014 1st or Philly 2014 2nd from Rockets
Robin Lo
Thomas Robinson
Felton
Amare

Portland gets:
Chandler

Houtson gets:
J Green
JR
Faverani

YES.
we need to send chandler. he's still valued so send it to get rondo/green/asik or sth.

Trever1982 · Post #4326 » by **Trever1982** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:59 pm

Should the Knicks contact Toronto about Acquiring Kyle Lowry and Steve Novak?

Marty McFly · Post #4327 » by **Marty McFly** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:10 pm

Trever1982 wrote:Should the Knicks contact Toronto about Acquiring Kyle Lowry and Steve Novak?

nope.

shmeakone · Post #4328 » by **shmeakone** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:29 pm

Knicks send:
Tyson Chandler
JR Smith

Pelicans send:
Eric Gordon
Austin Rivers
Jeff Whithey

R-DAWG · Post #4329 » by **R-DAWG** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:53 pm

Trying to piece together a 3 team deal with Chicago where we take back Boozer's contract in the deal for Anthony (in exchange for more assets obviously). Their assets are their 1st rd pick this year, a future bobcats 1st round pick, a heavily protected CLE pick, and the draft and stash prospect Mirotic and Jimmy Butler. At a minimum Mirotic and the CHA 1st need to be involved for Melo. And at a minimum their 2014 pick is the cost of absorbing Boozer's deal. Would they be willing to take JR for scoring off the bench?

This is a deal that would leave the Bulls with: Rose/Butler/Anthony/Gibson/Noah next year.

But from the Knicks standpoint I don't want Mirotic. He's going to get more than a rookie scale deal which would eat into 2015 cap space when the Knicks would clear the books. What would a Shumpert/Mirotic package generate in a trade?

Plan would be to tank next year, load up on young players/assets and try to land 2-3 max players in free agency. Or sign sign 2 and draft the 3rd, freeing up money to fill the roster.

The Knicks seriously need to look into dealing Melo, Chandler and Shumpert (since he will be due an extenuation next year) can bring back in a trade. It's time to start over. The organization is in a whole for another year and Chandler/Melo are at the end of their primes. We really need to take a step back if we want to take 2 steps forward.

Meat · Post #4330 » by **Meat** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:26 pm

R-DAWG wrote:Trying to piece together a 3 team deal with Chicago where we take back Boozer's contract in the deal for Anthony (in exchange for more assets obviously). Their assets are their 1st rd pick this year, a future bobcats 1st round pick, a heavily protected CLE pick, and the draft and stash prospect Mirotic and Jimmy Butler. At a minimum Mirotic and the CHA 1st need to be involved for Melo. And at a minimum their 2014 pick is the cost of absorbing Boozer's deal. Would they be willing to take JR for scoring off the bench?

This is a deal that would leave the Bulls with: Rose/Butler/Anthony/Gibson/Noah next year.

But from the Knicks standpoint I don't want Mirotic. He's going to get more than a rookie scale deal which would eat into 2015 cap space when the Knicks would clear the books. What would a Shumpert/Mirotic package generate in a trade?

Plan would be to tank next year, load up on young players/assets and try to land 2-3 max players in free agency. Or sign sign 2 and draft the 3rd, freeing up money to fill the roster.

The Knicks seriously need to look into dealing Melo, Chandler and Shumpert (since he will be due an extenuation next year) can bring back in a trade. It's time to start over. The organization is in a whole for another year and Chandler/Melo are at the end of their primes. We really need to take a step back if we want to take 2 steps forward.

trade for a soon to be amnestied player?

Marty McFly · Post #4331 » by **Marty McFly** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:44 pm

melo to the clips is never going to happen. can't think of any other team that could be an option in a trade. melo and tyson to the nuggets for some crap our pick(s) back would be ideal (melo gets to play with lawson) but that's not gonna happen though. at the very least chandler needs to get moved asap.

riter · Post #4332 » by **riter** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:16 am

http://fansided.com/2014/01/20/nba-trade-rumors-milwaukee-bucks-trade-larry-sanders-for-draft-picks/

"The Bucks are still very open to moving center Larry Sanders prior to the Feb. 20 trading deadline, sources said. They would have to take back some salary, but it appears draft picks are their priority.

The main reason that the Bucks apparently want to move Sanders is so they can be in a position to draft Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart. Amico notes that the Bucks are very high on the guard and could use him as the foundation for the future. It’s also noted though by Amico that the Bucks wouldn’t mind taking on veterans that help them sneaking into the Eastern Conference playoffs, but any trade that involved Sanders would be a ll about draft picks."

Send Tyson to third team that could give these mofo's the picks they need.

edit: thunder have their own 20141st rounder and Dallas' 2014 1st top 20 protected

Post #4333 » by **Thugger HBC** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:25 am

Meat wrote:
R-DAWG wrote:Trying to piece together a 3 team deal with Chicago where we take back Boozer's contract in the deal for Anthony (in exchange for more assets obviously). Their assets are their 1st rd pick this year, a future bobcats 1st round pick, a heavily protected CLE pick, and the draft and stash prospect Mirotic and Jimmy Butler. At a minimum Mirotic and the CHA 1st need to be involved for Melo. And at a minimum their 2014 pick is the cost of absorbing Boozer's deal. Would they be willing to take JR for scoring off the bench?

This is a deal that would leave the Bulls with: Rose/Butler/Anthony/Gibson/Noah next year.

But from the Knicks standpoint I don't want Mirotic. He's going to get more than a rookie scale deal which would eat into 2015 cap space when the Knicks would clear the books. What would a Shumpert/Mirotic package generate in a trade?

Plan would be to tank next year, load up on young players/assets and try to land 2-3 max players in free agency. Or sign sign 2 and draft the 3rd, freeing up money to fill the roster.

The Knicks seriously need to look into dealing Melo, Chandler and Shumpert (since he will be due an extenuation next year) can bring back in a trade. It's time to start over. The organization is in a whole for another year and Chandler/Melo are at the end of their primes. We really need to take a step back if we want to take 2 steps forward.

trade for a soon to be amnestied player?

Not as if we didnt do it this season.

Rasho Brezec · Post #4334 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:36 am

Send him to Phoenix for those draft picks they have from other teams.

Marty McFly · Post #4335 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:38 am

riter wrote:http://fansided.com/2014/01/20/nba-trade-rumors-milwaukee-bucks-trade-larry-sanders-for-draft-picks/

"The Bucks are still very open to moving center Larry Sanders prior to the Feb. 20 trading deadline, sources said. They would have to take back some salary, but it appears draft picks are their priority.

The main reason that the Bucks apparently want to move Sanders is so they can be in a position to draft Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart. Amico notes that the Bucks are very high on the guard and could use him as the foundation for the future. It’s also noted though by Amico that the Bucks wouldn’t mind taking on veterans that help them sneaking into the Eastern Conference playoffs, but any trade that involved Sanders would be a ll about draft picks."

Send Tyson to third team that could give these mofo's the picks they need.

edit: thunder have their own 20141st rounder and Dallas' 2014 1st top 20 protected

they have the worst record in the league and they're interested in smart? don't get me wrong smart is a nice player but they should have there sights on someone like embiid.

and how great a piece can sanders be? he's 25 with a per of 13 and his team is booty.

riter · Post #4336 » by **riter** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:48 am

Marty McFly wrote:

and how great a piece can sanders be? he's 25 with a per of 13 and his team is booty.

everything in your last statement is factual. However, if you watch games(I've only watched the last 2 bucks games) his impact is undeniable---even in just 25 minutes. Although he's a skinny big(not even as big as Dwight)He addresses all our teams weakness. He's young, elite athletism, rim protector, rebounder, scores in the paint and in transition. He is already one of the best defensive centers in the league and he only costs 11mil.

Unless your expecting to get Marc Gasol, I would pull the trigger on this(as long as Melo gives his blessing.)
Bargs/Sanders/Melo/Shump
Sanders/Melo/Shump would be lite years better than what we have now, I think.

Marty McFly · Post #4337 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:52 am

riter wrote:
Marty McFly wrote:

and how great a piece can sanders be? he's 25 with a per of 13 and his team is booty.

everything in your last statement is factual. However, if you watch games(I've only watched the last 2 bucks games) his impact is undeniable---even in just 25 minutes. Although he's a skinny big(not even as big as Dwight)He addresses all our teams weakness. He's young, elite athletism, rim protector, rebounder, scores in the paint and in transition. He is already one of the best defensive centers in the league and he only costs 11mil.

Unless your expecting to get Marc Gasol, I would pull the trigger on this(as long as Melo gives his blessing.
Bargs/Sanders/Melo/Shump
Sander/Melo/Shump would be lite years better than what we have now, I think.

I'm not gonna pretend I've watched him so I'll take your word for it, but given the things you have said, i would figure that his per were higher then it is. it's lower than bargs and he plays about the same amount of minutes.

Newyorknick94 · Post #4338 » by **Newyorknick94** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:01 am

We should trade Tyson to the pelicans for some back court help

Marty McFly · Post #4339 » by **Marty McFly** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:02 am

Newyorknick94 wrote:We should trade Tyson to the pelicans for some back court help

coincidentally, the pelicans are shopping reke and gordon. :sleep2:

they've got davis and holiday too, which i think melo wouldn't mind playing with but, I'm not interested in gordon and evans for melo.

riter · Post #4340 » by **riter** » Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:07 am

Newyorknick94 wrote:We should trade Tyson to the pelicans for some back court help

then the only legitimate/full time front court player we would have would be Melo.
Melo would not approve.