Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[SuperflyKnick]

On side note im sure houston would love to pay Lin/Asik 50 Mil plus next year wen all said and done with luxury tax and all... that is more then lebron and wade

Where are you getting this? That's not accurate.

he used the Equidistant Letter Sequence method on a poop he took once.

If I'm not mistaken asik and Lin make 15 mil a piece next year due to the back loaded contract they signed and with Houston being over the luxury tax paying a premium on those contracts next yr at around 8-9 mil per raises there actual payout around close to 50 million which is exactly around wat Miami is paying Lebrun and wade next yr tinkerbell ...... It's simple math but I guess not all of us passed remedial math in college

[LarsV8]

If I'm not mistaken asik and Lin make 15 mil a piece next year due to the back loaded contract they signed and with Houston being over the luxury tax paying a premium on those contracts next yr at around 8-9 mil per raises there actual payout around close to 50 million which is exactly around wat Miami is paying Lebrun and wade next yr tinkerbell ...... It's simple math but I guess not all of us passed remedial math in college

Houston isn't close to the luxury tax.

If they were, the only contract numbers that would count would be 8m for both Asik and Lin.

[Joshumitsu]

Would you guys do:

Thomas Robinson+Meyers Leonard+Dorell Wright+Mo Williams

for

Tyson Chandler+Beno Udrih+Kevin Martin?

You will save $4 million in the trade. Mo Williams will opt out this summer, giving you another $3 mil.

Robinson is a good prospect for rebuilding. Leonard has potential but if he doesn't pan out, can be waived next summer. Wright can be used as trade filler next season.

Chances are likely that Melo will want to leave, so you could acquire some decent picks+players for him. Add in T-Rob and draft a stud in this year's draft. Solid rebuild right there.

[DowNY]

Time to take some calculated risks with young, up & coming players.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lzo2rd3

Knicks acquire - CJ McCollum, Dion Waiters, Larry Sanders, Josh Freeland, Zaza Pachuila & E. Ilyasova

Cavs acquire - Raymond Felton, Iman Shumpert, Robin Lopez & V. Claver

Blazers acquire - Tyson Chandler & Gary Neal

Bucks acquire - Andersan Varejao, JR Smith, Alonzo Gee & Beno Udrih

CJ McCollum, Dion Waiters & Tim Hardaway Jr. should all still be on their rookie deals by 2015.
Larry Sanders contract kicks in but at a decent price for what he provides.
Only real thing messing up our 2015 plan would be E. Ilyasova.

If we could find away to not get Ilyasova in the deal, or trade him by 2015, then Melo could opt in for next season & then re-negotiate his contract in 2015 while bringing in another high profiled player (Love?)

[Rasho Brezec]

Would you guys do:

Thomas Robinson+Meyers Leonard+Dorell Wright+Mo Williams

for

Tyson Chandler+Beno Udrih+Kevin Martin?

You will save $4 million in the trade. Mo Williams will opt out this summer, giving you another $3 mil.

Robinson is a good prospect for rebuilding. Leonard has potential but if he doesn't pan out, can be waived next summer. Wright can be used as trade filler next season.

Chances are likely that Melo will want to leave, so you could acquire some decent picks+players for him. Add in T-Rob and draft a stud in this year's draft. Solid rebuild right there.

Yes. I'm not sure about the FO, but if Tyson and Udrih keep taking shots at the coach, I think they'd have to consider.

[gavran]

The only Tyson trade I'd consider starts with JR Smith or Raymond Felton.

[SuperflyKnick]

If I'm not mistaken asik and Lin make 15 mil a piece next year due to the back loaded contract they signed and with Houston being over the luxury tax paying a premium on those contracts next yr at around 8-9 mil per raises there actual payout around close to 50 million which is exactly around wat Miami is paying Lebrun and wade next yr tinkerbell ...... It's simple math but I guess not all of us passed remedial math in college

Houston isn't close to the luxury tax.

If they were, the only contract numbers that would count would be 8m for both Asik and Lin.

Howard 20 Mil + Harden 15 Mil + Lin 15 Mil + Asik 15 Mil = 65 Mil ............then you have rest of the roster

[xsaberx]

If I'm not mistaken asik and Lin make 15 mil a piece next year due to the back loaded contract they signed and with Houston being over the luxury tax paying a premium on those contracts next yr at around 8-9 mil per raises there actual payout around close to 50 million which is exactly around wat Miami is paying Lebrun and wade next yr tinkerbell ...... It's simple math but I guess not all of us passed remedial math in college

Houston isn't close to the luxury tax.

If they were, the only contract numbers that would count would be 8m for both Asik and Lin.

Howard 20 Mil + Harden 15 Mil + Lin 15 Mil + Asik 15 Mil = 65 Mil ............then you have rest of the roster

http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... ockets.jsp

remember that Lin and Asik are both paid around 8 mil per year over the three years because the salary is averaged (5, 5, 15)

[Rasho Brezec]

Packaging Tyson, cokehead and Felton in a trade would allow us to absorb $29,228,263 in salary, giving the other team a maximum salary relief of $5,059,599. You can go around and find something that works but forget about Rondo because that's not happening.

I still think trading that package for Gasol and Nash makes sense for both teams becaue it solidifies Lakers' tank position and saves them $4,417,686 on their salary cap in a season they're not making the playoffs. They'd still be $3,007,759 over the luxury tax threshold, but the ownership goes from paying $11,744,529 in luxury taxes to $4,511,639. A total saving of $7,232,890 in a losing season is important.

The only problem is that the Lakers would add $15,538,009 to their cap for next season, which would leave them with around 19M of cap space. I don't know what their plans for next year are, but this would probably be their lineup:

Marshall / Felton
Kobe / Young
cokehead / SF
PF / PF
Chandler / Sacre

That is still a lot of holes left to fill if they want to make the playoffs in the west.

[Dr. Detfink]

At this point, I'd be happy for ANY kind of trade or movement because it's JUST not working. There is no quick fix for this team. All the Knicks can do is try to sell to Melo that they have the capacity to try and make some moves.

[Mr. E]

Howard 20 Mil + Harden 15 Mil + Lin 15 Mil + Asik 15 Mil = 65 Mil ............then you have rest of the roster

Yeah, you're confusing some info. Here's a link to the Sham Sports site that breaks down the actual cap figures pretty accurately:

http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... ockets.jsp

If all options are picked up that gives Houston a cap figure of about $63M.


But enough about Houston's finances - Motie had a pretty good performance last night starting in place of an injured Terrence Jones. Now that I know that some of you Knicks fans are interested, I'm curious where you would want to play him. Do you see him playing the 4 or 5 in your system? Starter or Bench?

I haven't given much thought about Motie to NYK until the past couple days. Now I'm curious what you guys see for him.

[Johnny Hoops]

How about a 3team trade with the knicks celtics and thunder...

Ny gets rondo and thabeet (keeps 2015 flexibility)
Ny send chandler, hardaway, udrih, and 2018 1st round pick

Boston gets Perkins, Reggie Jackson, hardaway , perry jones and 2018 pick
Boston sends rondo,pressey

Okc gets chandler udrih and pressey
Okc sends Perkins,Reggie Jackson, perry jones and thabeet

Ny gets their man in rondo
Ny lineup rondo shumpert melo martin bargnani
Boston gets their young assets
Okc gets chandler proven leadership and defense with a backup point
Okc playoff lineup...Westbrook sefolosha Durante Ibaka chandler

Again, fair too low value for Rondo. Would need Shump, Tyler, Murry and whatever seconds are out there to even make this close.

I don't agree - I think that is fair value for Rondo --- you are getting 2 legit young players and another with very high upside (Jones) plus a future pick.

Problem with this deal is I don't see OKC parting with R-Jackson in a Chandler deal. Just don't see them giving up a young pg like Jackson when they already have 3 guys on their roster that together can mimick what Chandler provides (Perkins/Adams/Thabeet) and throw in Collison.

[Johnny Hoops]

Ny gets rondo thabeet

Okc gets chandler udrih pressey 2nd round pick via ny

Boston gets Perkins hardaway Jackson perry jones 2018 1st round pick via ny and future 1st via Okc.

No motivation for OKC to give up this package for Tyson.

IMO -- OKC wouldn't give up Perkins/Jackson straight up for Tyson --- they value Jackson too highly.

So don't expect them to throw in P-Jones & a 1st round pick per your proposal.

This is a nice try but I just don't see OKC doing this -- maybe if we were also throwing Shump their way.

[navyblue]

Unless the knicks include Melo, there isnt a major trade they can make that is improving the talent.

The most they can do is move bad contracts around and hope the new combination works. But there is a problem with that as well, with the strict cap, lower max number of years on contracts, lower max salary for a player, there are very few bad contracts around the league, and even if there are they might only have 1 or 2 years left and those teams are willing to eat the salary rather then give up assets to trade them.

[thebuzzardman]

Howard 20 Mil + Harden 15 Mil + Lin 15 Mil + Asik 15 Mil = 65 Mil ............then you have rest of the roster

Yeah, you're confusing some info. Here's a link to the Sham Sports site that breaks down the actual cap figures pretty accurately:

http://data.shamsports.com/content/page ... ockets.jsp

If all options are picked up that gives Houston a cap figure of about $63M.


But enough about Houston's finances - Motie had a pretty good performance last night starting in place of an injured Terrence Jones. Now that I know that some of you Knicks fans are interested, I'm curious where you would want to play him. Do you see him playing the 4 or 5 in your system? Starter or Bench?

I haven't given much thought about Motie to NYK until the past couple days. Now I'm curious what you guys see for him.

So, the Knicks get to trade a frontline center for the Rockets spare parts. Sure.

[Mr. E]

So, the Knicks get to trade a frontline center for the Rockets spare parts. Sure.

I literally have no idea what you are talking about.

[thebuzzardman]

So, the Knicks get to trade a frontline center for the Rockets spare parts. Sure.

I literally have no idea what you are talking about.

I mixed up another trade; but I don't see the Rockets and Knicks being very good trade partners.

[Boarder Patrol]

So, the Knicks get to trade a frontline center for the Rockets spare parts. Sure.

I literally have no idea what you are talking about.

Seriously...

D-Mo is really intriguing for me, I think he start next to Melo at the forward. Would offer Shump for D-Mo and our 2014 2nd back?

[cw3k]

So, the Knicks get to trade a frontline center for the Rockets spare parts. Sure.

I literally have no idea what you are talking about.

I mixed up another trade; but I don't see the Rockets and Knicks being very good trade partners.

I see the same, unless Knicks decided make Melo available, which is unlikely. Melo because Knicks cannot get Melo a good PG.

[BALLINari]

Scenario: Love gets sick of Minnesota, demands trade. Timberwolves also get 1st round picks in this deal.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n2z8ffr

Knicks incoming: Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins
Celtics incoming: Kevin Love, Cole Aldrich
Thunder incoming: Tyson Chandler
Timberwolves incoming: THJR, Jeremy Lamb, Perry Jones III, Beno Udrih, 1st round pick(s)