[Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part II -*SPEED ROUNDS*

[Subway Token]

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Danny Granger | Michael Beasley
PF: Marreese Speights | Michael Beasley
C: Yao Ming

Can I get a detailed analysis of my team from one of the experts?

I'm not an expert, and I won't give you a very detailed analysis, but I do feel there were a couple better PFs on board. Also depends on how people will judge Yao -- healthy or injured. Other than that, it's a really nice blend of outside-inside game. Interesting to see K-Mart and Granger play together too.

[Justdatdude]

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Danny Granger | Michael Beasley
PF: Marreese Speights | Michael Beasley
C: Yao Ming

Can I get a detailed analysis of my team from one of the experts?

There is only 1 basketball.

[2010]

Mareese Speights (taken a few guys after you) is a talented player and might be considered a "stretch 4" but his shot is inconsistent as is his game. It's a great fit for 2010's team (since his is more centered around potential guys in a more uptempo style) but not really for yours.

Thing is, I don't consider Marreese Speights a "stretch four" at all. To me he is a new-age athletic/banger hybrid. In my definition, a "stretch four" is a PF who stretches the defense by possessing the ability to knock down jumpers beyond the range of any traditional PF (18ft and beyond the 3pt line). The PF I keep mentioning has range extending out the the 3pt line and can consistently knock down that shot while being a true PF where comparably Frye is more of a center. Frye doesn't possess the athleticism in my eyes to qualify as a starting caliber PF. But back to Speights if you read my writeup when I made the selection, he was picked because he stay in "shallow waters" on offense.

[2010]

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Danny Granger | Michael Beasley
PF: Marreese Speights | Michael Beasley
C: Yao Ming

Can I get a detailed analysis of my team from one of the experts?

I'm not an expert, and I won't give you a very detailed analysis, but I do feel there were a couple better PFs on board. Also depends on how people will judge Yao -- healthy or injured. Other than that, it's a really nice blend of outside-inside game. Interesting to see K-Mart and Granger play together too.

Considering team fit, size, contract, age, production and upside, I feel Marreese Speights was definitely the best PF on the board when the Lakers pick was on the clock. Additionally, when you factor in that he will be splitting minutes at that position symmetrically with Michael Beasley and seeing how they compliment eachother that just makes the production at the position more than sufficient.

Regarding Yao Ming, it's really a no brainer. I drafted him IN THE FOURTH ROUND! If the fourth round is not the time to take a gamble on a 7'6", franchise center with legit post skills, a soft touch, range on his jumper and shotblocking ability then I don't know when the right time to gamble is. Yao was not a 1st, 2nd or even 3rd round pick. Those spots went to Granger, Martin and Rubio respectively. Yao was a 4th round pick in a league without true centers. And while we're at it I keep hearing skepticism on Rubio but I got a 1st round talent, franchise caliber PG in the 3rd round. These are excellent value picks!

[2010]

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Danny Granger | Michael Beasley
PF: Marreese Speights | Michael Beasley
C: Yao Ming

Can I get a detailed analysis of my team from one of the experts?

There is only 1 basketball.

A post like this just screams of H8eration. I can respect criticism that at least has a point but you make no sense with your four word and 1 number commentary. First of all Ricky Rubio is arguably the most recent pure PASS-FIRST point guard prospect to come since Steven Nash and Jason Kidd...the kid truly could care less about scoring the ball. Secondly, Kevin Martin is a catch & shoot SG who does his best work running baseline to baseline and coming off screens to to get open for his shot. He does not dominate the ball and he is most certainly not an isolation player. Now Granger does get iso opportunities and that's why he is my first round pick and first option on offense playing the alpha male role. However, with that said he is still far from a selfish player and can also score off the catch & shoot. Marreese Speights get his shots off running the floor, offensive rebounding putbacks, pick and rolls (pops), etc....essentially garbage points. As we all know, Yao Ming is one of the most unselfish centers in the league (to the point of drawing criticism) and he is more than a willing passer out of the double-team. To be honest, my most black-hole player is Michael Beasley and to be quite honest I want him coming in with a scorers mentality and trying to fill up the hoop as my 6th man. To me it just sounds like you attempted to just pull some negative analysis out of your ass. The hating on my team is reaching all-time high levels. But you know what they say, "if they're not hating then you're not doing something right!"

[Mecca]

I don't really understand your team at all 2010.... It looks like you're focused on an up-tempo system, yet you have Yao as your starting Center. I don't get it.

[Justdatdude]

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Danny Granger | Michael Beasley
PF: Marreese Speights | Michael Beasley
C: Yao Ming

Can I get a detailed analysis of my team from one of the experts?

There is only 1 basketball.

A post like this just screams of H8eration. I can respect criticism that at least has a point but you make no sense with your four word and 1 number commentary. First of all Ricky Rubio is arguably the most recent pure PASS-FIRST point guard prospect to come since Steven Nash and Jason Kidd...the kid truly could care less about scoring the ball. Secondly, Kevin Martin is a catch & shoot SG who does his best work running baseline to baseline and coming off screens to to get open for his shot. He does not dominate the ball and he is most certainly not an isolation player. Now Granger does get iso opportunities and that's why he is my first round pick and first option on offense playing the alpha male role. However, with that said he is still far from a selfish player and can also score off the catch & shoot. Marreese Speights get his shots off running the floor, offensive rebounding putbacks, pick and rolls (pops), etc....essentially garbage points. As we all know, Yao Ming is one of the most unselfish centers in the league (to the point of drawing criticism) and he is more than a willing passer out of the double-team. To be honest, my most black-hole player is Michael Beasley and to be quite honest I want him coming in with a scorers mentality and trying to fill up the hoop as my 6th man. To me it just sounds like you attempted to just pull some negative analysis out of your ass. The hating on my team is reaching all-time high levels. But you know what they say, "if they're not hating then you're not doing something right!"

Now lets go back to reality. Nothing can be said on this board without the word hate being mentioned. First and foremost, have you ever watched Marreese Speights play? You really had the nerves to imply that Speights isn't a black hole and would get his points off of garbage points? Catch and shoot or not, are you implying that Kevin Martin doesn't shoot at an alarming rate? Yao Ming is an unselfish player, but do you really want to limit shot opportunities with someone as offensively skilled as Yao Ming? Kevin Martin, Granger, and Speights are guys who want their shots. They want to shoot at all cost. No doubt your team will have great firepower, but the fact remains the same. Smh. Why ask for an opinion if you're only going to call someone a hater for giving it? If its because of my one sentence statement, then sorry. I didn't think I had to go into detail why I mentioned there is only 1 ball for a team with Kevin Martin, Danny Granger, and Speights. Oh yea, Beasley too. Smh.

[2010]

I don't really understand your team at all 2010.... It looks like you're focused on an up-tempo system, yet you have Yao as your starting Center. I don't get it.

Please indicate which player(s) that I have drafted would indicate to you that my team is an uptempo, fast-break team and explain to us all in detail how you drew that conclusion. I have clearly expressed my vision that this team is a PICK AND ROLL(POP) team that runs opportunistically but primarily plays inside-out (similar to the championship Detroit Pistons team).

PG- Ricky Rubio <<----- pick and roll PG with excellent court-vision
SG- Kevin Martin <<---- elite jumpshooter, runs off screens and runs the break
SF- Danny Granger <<-- elite 3pt shooter who stetches the floor and defends
PF- TBD
C- Yao Ming <<---------- big body for picks, can pop the jumper, draws doubles, sees over the "d"

[NewEra]

Would you be open to dealing the first pick in the 6th round?

At this point I would only consider my 6th and two 12th round picks for a 7th, 8th, and 9th round pick or a better offer than that. Otherwise no thanks.

Nevermind that then. Good luck with your selections.

[Mecca]

I don't really understand your team at all 2010.... It looks like you're focused on an up-tempo system, yet you have Yao as your starting Center. I don't get it.

Please indicate which player(s) that I have drafted would indicate to you that my team is an uptempo, fast-break team and explain to us all in detail how you drew that conclusion. I have clearly expressed my vision that this team is a PICK AND ROLL(POP) team that runs opportunistically but primarily plays inside-out (similar to the championship Detroit Pistons team).

PG- Ricky Rubio <<----- pick and roll PG with excellent court-vision
SG- Kevin Martin <<---- elite jumpshooter, runs off screens and runs the break
SF- Danny Granger <<-- elite 3pt shooter who stetches the floor and defends
PF- TBD
C- Yao Ming <<---------- big body for picks, can pop the jumper, draws doubles, sees over the "d"

Speights - Uptempo
Rubio - Uptempo
K-Mart - Would excel in uptempo but can play in any system.
Granger - Any system
Yao - Half Court
Beasley - at PF you're playing uptempo-small ball, and at SF, he's more of an iso/halfcourt player.

Also, most of your scoring is coming from your perimeter players, and that would indicate more of a fast-paced system as well.

And, Rubio is an uptempo PG... PG's dictate the tempo, and yours was made for the fast-paced system.

[2010]

There is only 1 basketball.

A post like this just screams of H8eration. I can respect criticism that at least has a point but you make no sense with your four word and 1 number commentary. First of all Ricky Rubio is arguably the most recent pure PASS-FIRST point guard prospect to come since Steven Nash and Jason Kidd...the kid truly could care less about scoring the ball. Secondly, Kevin Martin is a catch & shoot SG who does his best work running baseline to baseline and coming off screens to to get open for his shot. He does not dominate the ball and he is most certainly not an isolation player. Now Granger does get iso opportunities and that's why he is my first round pick and first option on offense playing the alpha male role. However, with that said he is still far from a selfish player and can also score off the catch & shoot. Marreese Speights get his shots off running the floor, offensive rebounding putbacks, pick and rolls (pops), etc....essentially garbage points. As we all know, Yao Ming is one of the most unselfish centers in the league (to the point of drawing criticism) and he is more than a willing passer out of the double-team. To be honest, my most black-hole player is Michael Beasley and to be quite honest I want him coming in with a scorers mentality and trying to fill up the hoop as my 6th man. To me it just sounds like you attempted to just pull some negative analysis out of your ass. The hating on my team is reaching all-time high levels. But you know what they say, "if they're not hating then you're not doing something right!"

Now lets go back to reality. Nothing can be said on this board without the word hate being mentioned. First and foremost, have you ever watched Marreese Speights play? You really had the nerves to imply that Speights isn't a black hole and would get his points off of garbage points? Catch and shoot or not, are you implying that Kevin Martin doesn't shoot at an alarming rate? Yao Ming is an unselfish player, but do you really want to limit shot opportunities with someone as offensively skilled as Yao Ming? Kevin Martin, Granger, and Speights are guys who want their shots. They want to shoot at all cost. No doubt your team will have great firepower, but the fact remains the same. Smh. Why ask for an opinion if you're only going to call someone a hater for giving it? If its because of my one sentence statement, then sorry. I didn't think I had to go into detail why I mentioned there is only 1 ball for a team with Kevin Martin, Danny Granger, and Speights. Oh yea, Beasley too. Smh.

Speights, a black-hole...really? A guy who doesn't have a legit post-up game nor any type of iso game qualifying as a black-hole...really? K-Mart, of course he gets is shots...he's the best shooter on his team. Allan Houston got his shots but was he an unselfish player or a black-hole? So should guys who are talented at scoring not shoot the ball? Should GM's not acquire any more than 3 scorers on any given team? You sir are showing you know nothing about basketball or the construction of a team. Every contending team needs at least 3-4 main scoring options and a person to efficiently deliver them the ball. Obviously Rubio is my facilitator and Granger, Martin, Yao re my 3 main scoring options in the starting lineup. Speights will get his opportunistically playing off the other four and the attention they draw. Beasley is my instant offense as the 6th man off the bench. What part of this indicates that there aren't enough shots to go around?

Lastly, I clearly asked for the opinions of the boards experts (Moocow, TKF, TheBluest, MagnumT, ctorres, can of peas, etc.)...you clearly show you do not belong in this conversation. Get your analysis game up!

[NewEra]

Lastly, I clearly asked for the opinions of the boards experts (Moocow, TKF, TheBluest, MagnumT, ctorres, can of peas, etc.)...you clearly show you do not belong in this conversation. Get your analysis game up!

= newera

[Justdatdude]

Speights, a black-hole...really? A guy who doesn't have a legit post-up game nor any type of iso game qualifying as a black-hole...really? K-Mart, of course he gets is shots...he's the best shooter on his team. Allan Houston got his shots but was he an unselfish player or a black-hole? So should guys who are talented at scoring not shoot the ball? Should GM's not acquire any more than 3 scorers on any given team? You sir are showing you know nothing about basketball or the construction of a team. Every contending team needs at least 3-4 main scoring options and a person to efficiently deliver them the ball. Obviously Rubio is my facilitator and Granger, Martin, Yao re my 3 main scoring options in the starting lineup. Speights will get his opportunistically playing off the other four and the attention they draw. Beasley is my instant offense as the 6th man off the bench. What part of this indicates that there aren't enough shots to go around?

Lastly, I clearly asked for the opinions of the boards experts (Moocow, TKF, TheBluest, MagnumT, ctorres, can of peas, etc.)...you clearly show you do not belong in this conversation. Get your analysis game up!

Haha. All you had to do is google Mareese Speights black hole. Here are you results

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp& ... 38d735b227

Its common knowledge that the guy is a black hole. You give him the ball and he doesn't give back. Then you tried to call me out on my basketball knowledge, yet you drafted a player you knew nothing about. Haha. Do you. I'm sorry for giving my opinion on your team. You should probably know that in Build A Team 3.0 I had one of the highest rated teams and many people in this thing praised the team I had because of how I managed cap space and put together players that compliment each other. My mistake was I didn't take the coach into consideration and it backfired. Just remember that you got mad earlier in this because people were praising my pick and questioning your team.

[TheBluest]

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Danny Granger | Michael Beasley
PF: Marreese Speights | Michael Beasley
C: Yao Ming

Can I get a detailed analysis of my team from one of the experts?

2010 I'll provide one later on maybe around the time I make my next pick. So look out for it if you want.

[2010]

I don't really understand your team at all 2010.... It looks like you're focused on an up-tempo system, yet you have Yao as your starting Center. I don't get it.

Please indicate which player(s) that I have drafted would indicate to you that my team is an uptempo, fast-break team and explain to us all in detail how you drew that conclusion. I have clearly expressed my vision that this team is a PICK AND ROLL(POP) team that runs opportunistically but primarily plays inside-out (similar to the championship Detroit Pistons team).

PG- Ricky Rubio <<----- pick and roll PG with excellent court-vision
SG- Kevin Martin <<---- elite jumpshooter, runs off screens and runs the break
SF- Danny Granger <<-- elite 3pt shooter who stetches the floor and defends
PF- TBD
C- Yao Ming <<---------- big body for picks, can pop the jumper, draws doubles, sees over the "d"

Speights - Uptempo
Rubio - Uptempo
K-Mart - Would excel in uptempo but can play in any system.
Granger - Any system
Yao - Half Court
Beasley - at PF you're playing uptempo-small ball, and at SF, he's more of an iso/halfcourt player.

Also, most of your scoring is coming from your perimeter players, and that would indicate more of a fast-paced system as well.

And, Rubio is an uptempo PG... PG's dictate the tempo, and yours was made for the fast-paced system.

Playoff time = winning time, and in those times when the game slows down and you need to grind it out, a halfcourt bigman like Yao is essential. Speights can run the floor but he also can play in the halfcourt pick and roll (pop) game as he is a finisher and also able to knock down the 15-footer for the most part. KMart like you said, can play in any system as well as Granger. They are shooters who will stretch the floor in the halfcourt but they can both get out and run opportunistically. Beasley as you detailed above, is too able to play both styles depending on matchups. So essentially you have just answered your own confusion and agreed with me that my team is VERSATILE capable of playing well in both elements.

Our only area of disagreement comes with Rubio. The misconception is that since he's a flashy passer that he can only play uptempo. Do you realize in the Euroleague teams run halfcourt motion offense sets? They are not running and gunning full-time. Rubio plays in a pick and roll system overseas and if you watch his full-game footage you will see him operate in those sets (don't only rely on the highlight videos). He is a master at getting his man caught in the screen, getting in the lane and when the defense converges he has the court-vision to find the open man be it a dump-off in the paint or kicking out to a shooter. The only area Rubio suffers in the halfcourt game is as a shooter, I admit. But so does Rondo and he is an all-star.


Really the only player on my team who cannot play equally well in the transition/halfcourt game is Yao. And even then if some of you argue that he will be injured and not to be relied on then you help my cause in the judging by calling me a fast-break team cuz if Yao is judged inactive then Beasley is the starting PF and Speights is the starting C and you must made my team the Phoenix Suns (a perenial contender).

[swisscheeseD]

Do we really have to wait another 4 hours for Knicks1214 to make his selection, or does he get auto-skipped since he hasn't been here for the 6hrs prior?

[Subway Token]

PG: Ricky Rubio
SG: Kevin Martin
SF: Danny Granger | Michael Beasley
PF: Marreese Speights | Michael Beasley
C: Yao Ming

Can I get a detailed analysis of my team from one of the experts?

I'm not an expert, and I won't give you a very detailed analysis, but I do feel there were a couple better PFs on board. Also depends on how people will judge Yao -- healthy or injured. Other than that, it's a really nice blend of outside-inside game. Interesting to see K-Mart and Granger play together too.

Considering team fit, size, contract, age, production and upside, I feel Marreese Speights was definitely the best PF on the board when the Lakers pick was on the clock. Additionally, when you factor in that he will be splitting minutes at that position symmetrically with Michael Beasley and seeing how they compliment eachother that just makes the production at the position more than sufficient.

Regarding Yao Ming, it's really a no brainer. I drafted him IN THE FOURTH ROUND! If the fourth round is not the time to take a gamble on a 7'6", franchise center with legit post skills, a soft touch, range on his jumper and shotblocking ability then I don't know when the right time to gamble is. Yao was not a 1st, 2nd or even 3rd round pick. Those spots went to Granger, Martin and Rubio respectively. Yao was a 4th round pick in a league without true centers. And while we're at it I keep hearing skepticism on Rubio but I got a 1st round talent, franchise caliber PG in the 3rd round. These are excellent value picks!

I'm not sure why you ask for opinions if you just argue them. Also - about Yao - I do think it was a good pick, but it depends. Some people will say 'oh, he was injured so that's minus-points.' Others will see him as the franchise center he is and give you ups. It depends on the judge.

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Do we really have to wait another 4 hours for Knicks1214 to make his selection, or does he get auto-skipped since he hasn't been here for the 6hrs prior?

Auto skipped.

Mods make it so.

[moocow007]

Some interesting picks of late.

Yeah we're about at the point in the BAT where it's pretty much impossible to rank any player. Guys that can get picked in the 6th by some can be seen as 8th or 9th round guys by others and vice versa. This is actually the fun part. The first 4 or 5 rounds were more cut and dry.

I had hoped to nab Dragic with my later 6th (172) when I mapped it out. But with Bluest Khan'ing all the PG's and the pool running dry...I had to jump on him in the 5th.

I know my team isn't contending now, but I feel I've built a solid core for my franchises future. These guys compliment each other very well, are all defensively sound, and are team-oriented players with solid BBIQ.

I still have a few moves to make, but these guys will most definitely compete for a playoff spot this season...and will continue to grow and make moves with their cap space moving forward.

I like the Dragic pick. He was actually on our list of possibilities with our last pick.

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