[Camelo Thread Part 12] - Melo's list grows? pg. 50

[duetta]

What I think we'll see is a player's original team being given an even greater advantage in retaining a player - thus guaranteeing that they retain S&T leverage when a FA they would prefer to keep is thinking about leaving. This might mean 10% per year raises for the home team compared to 5% in a contract offered someone else.

Again, from what I've been reading, count on the MLE being history.

[Knickplaya]

MLE is absolutley gone, they want a harder cap.

[Context]

Attention!!!!!

Here is a proposed "fair counter offer" from the Denver board:

I personally do not know what the Nuggets have told the Knicks, but I think the rumors have been very clear, in that the Nuggets are looking for young bigs with all star potential, good draft picks, and cap space. obviously the Nuggets must think as much of your young bigs as your coach or I seem to think about them, as in they are not even good enough to play for a 500 team. As for draft picks, right now the Rockets do not have a single 1st round pick to trade until 2018 (due to the protection on the 2012 pick they sent to the Rockets), and cap space is valuable, but plenty of teams can offer that, as there are really no horrendous contracts on the Nuggets roster.

As for what the Knicks could do, personally I think it would take some work, but it is possible. if I was the Knicks front office, I would start with Randolph to the Wolves or Pacers for the best 1st round pick possible. Then I would work out a deal sending chandler to the Clippers for the Wolves 2012 pick, then send Fields/ turiaf or whatever it takes for a young big or high potential lotto pick that the Nuggets like. Then the Knicks can take on Andersen and harrington with Melo for Curry, Mozgov, and Azubuike coming directly to the Nuggets, and I think the Nuggets will get interested.

So for the Knicks it would look like
Randolph
Chandler
Fields or Turiaf
Mozgov
Curry
Azubuike

for
Melo
Harrington
Andersen

For the Nuggets it would be something like
melo
harrington
Andersen

4

Mozgov
2012 Twolves pick
Pacers or Twolves pick
Young big or good lotto pick
Buike
Curry

While I don't think it is as good as Favors, Harris, and the picks, this deal could at least be good enough to justify doing the deal. Although I do not know if that is too much for the knicks to give up right now.


Thoughts?

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Good thing you posted that here. Rebel would have gotten the ban hammer out he's had enough lol

[knicks9784]

Attention!!!!!

Here is a proposed "fair counter offer" from the Denver board:

I personally do not know what the Nuggets have told the Knicks, but I think the rumors have been very clear, in that the Nuggets are looking for young bigs with all star potential, good draft picks, and cap space. obviously the Nuggets must think as much of your young bigs as your coach or I seem to think about them, as in they are not even good enough to play for a 500 team. As for draft picks, right now the Rockets do not have a single 1st round pick to trade until 2018 (due to the protection on the 2012 pick they sent to the Rockets), and cap space is valuable, but plenty of teams can offer that, as there are really no horrendous contracts on the Nuggets roster.

As for what the Knicks could do, personally I think it would take some work, but it is possible. if I was the Knicks front office, I would start with Randolph to the Wolves or Pacers for the best 1st round pick possible. Then I would work out a deal sending chandler to the Clippers for the Wolves 2012 pick, then send Fields/ turiaf or whatever it takes for a young big or high potential lotto pick that the Nuggets like. Then the Knicks can take on Andersen and harrington with Melo for Curry, Mozgov, and Azubuike coming directly to the Nuggets, and I think the Nuggets will get interested.

So for the Knicks it would look like
Randolph
Chandler
Fields or Turiaf
Mozgov
Curry
Azubuike

for
Melo
Harrington
Andersen

For the Nuggets it would be something like
melo
harrington
Andersen

4

Mozgov
2012 Twolves pick
Pacers or Twolves pick
Young big or good lotto pick
Buike
Curry

While I don't think it is as good as Favors, Harris, and the picks, this deal could at least be good enough to justify doing the deal. Although I do not know if that is too much for the knicks to give up right now.


Thoughts?

see the thing is nj is out. so we no longer have to match/exceed their offer. their offer means nothing now. we'regiving denver everything here, cap relief, 2 out of the 3 AND randolph AND picks. the way i see it, if they want two out of the three then we take no money back and they get no picks. if they want one, we can take some $$ back and send them a pick. see what i mean, if the knicks were to make this deal it would be like didnt even bother negotiating with denver and we just said he write down ur demands. we're in a position of power now, not denver.

[Knicker23]

To the poster above, things being quiet on the Melo front isn't a bad thing.....The whole thing got out of control and sloppy with talks being leaked every day between the Nets and Nuggets.. Donnie i'm sure is keeping any talks that have transpired quiet, which is a good thing..

All that matters is that "Melo only wants the Knicks " front doesn't get quiet - and it hasn't.

At this point i'd imagine Denver is still holding off hoping something comes up before they have to deal him to the Knicks. . Other than finally being able to put this whole situation behind them and move on, there doesn't seem like much incentive for Denver to cut a deal with us until they have to.. which means we could be waiting for another few week if they really dragged it out..

[RHODEY]

It seems you're of the camp that when it comes down to it, you say no to a melo deal because you want to keep Fields? And regardless, the inclusion of Fields is just speculation on our part...there's no telling what the final deal may/will be.

Yes, unless Fields is the principal and we get to keep both Chandler and Gallo...

Do you want Melo for free? that's what it seems like with your word choice of "gift" and "give away."

Yes if possible. I'd like to add him to the house, but not rip out the basement and the kitchen sink to add him...

Does not matter 1 bit. We have an extra playoff series with melo in 2011 as opposed to the first playoff series with melo coming in 2012.

Speculation both are possible with or without Melo, but one option may require giving up Fields and one definitely does not...

We have the opportunity to view shortcomings of Amare+Melo in the level of competition found only in the playoffs and we would have an entire offseason to address accordingly. We can see strengths that can be enhanced and we can see weakness that contenders take advantage of. I'm advocating bringing him earlier to leverage the 2011 playoffs as a means to get these players experienced playing together in the type of competition that arrives only in playoff time. We cannot expect to vault to the levels of boston or orlando or LAL or Dallas who have all had their cores together for significantly longer than we have. And obviously, if we bring melo in, he's going to comprise a cornerstone of our core. Yes, we would gain playoff experience in the 2nd round without melo, but we do it without a future cornerstone of our franchise and we miss an opportunity to get these players accustomed to getting some confidence and chemistry in late April and hopefully into late may, as opposed to just going through the motions and get bumped in the 2nd round.

Fair enough although I don't agree that seeing our weaknesses early is worth giving up Fields and another starter- not saying that you are saying that either.

I am not advocating rushing in and doing whatever it takes to acquire melo...that was not my post. I'm advocating bringing this team's core together as early as possible, within a reasonable trade framework.
Worst case scenario...we get melo in FA, there's a lockout through the 2011-2012 season, and the first time melo and stat have a playoff series is 2013. we'd never know what to address until we actually see the combination in action in a playoff context. By the time Amare is 31, in 2014 playoffs, we'll have seen what does and doesn't work and have re-tooled accordingly. Meaning, we'd only start really contending when amare is 32 in 2015 playoffs, after we've had one season's playoffs under our belts. Again, this is just the worst-case scenario in terms of a full locked out year, but that magnifies what I'm talking about.

I doubt we lose an entire season to a lockout. Amare is 28 Melo is 26/27 Felton is 26 everyone else are babies we got time, plenty of time.

[Remember the Past]

Can someone please explain to me why I was suspended?
I have never even had a warning before. I didn’t confront anyone and just said what I thought of the situation. It was my first and only post there. I did not even get a response for the post, just suspended. I just got pissed at all the unwarranted knicks hate and belittling of knicks fans. That crazy ass **** rebel suspended me.


This is what I wrote..
It is fairly obvious that Nuggets fans along with the Nuggets front office are feeling a little butthurt and envy NY because they know that it is inevitable that he will end up there. You call it arrogance when we say he's going to be a Knick but it is so obvious that that is where he wants to be and you continue to just be in denial. Your front office really screwed, you are probably going to be low balled by every team that gives you an offer for him now. Ujiri last year with Bosh and now this year with Melo is just priceless. Have fun with Al Harrington for four more years.

[Punk]

At this point, maybe trading everyone (but Fields/Amare/Felton) is a good idea. I don't think honestly, if the Nuggets decide to keep him if we will even remotely rebound from this depression. This reminds me of last year's Raptor team.

[GONYK]

Can someone please explain to me why I was suspended?
I have never even had a warning before. I didn’t confront anyone and just said what I thought of the situation. It was my first and only post there. I did not even get a response for the post, just suspended. I just got pissed at all the unwarranted knicks hate and belittling of knicks fans. That crazy ass **** rebel suspended me.


This is what I wrote..
It is fairly obvious that Nuggets fans along with the Nuggets front office are feeling a little butthurt and envy NY because they know that it is inevitable that he will end up there. You call it arrogance when we say he's going to be a Knick but it is so obvious that that is where he wants to be and you continue to just be in denial. Your front office really screwed, you are probably going to be low balled by every team that gives you an offer for him now. Ujiri last year with Bosh and now this year with Melo is just priceless. Have fun with Al Harrington for four more years.

My guess is any combination of the bolded items above is what got you suspended.

[GONYK]

At this point, maybe trading everyone (but Fields/Amare/Felton) is a good idea. I don't think honestly, if the Nuggets decide to keep him if we will even remotely rebound from this depression. This reminds me of last year's Raptor team.

If you don't trade Fields/Amare/Felton, who else is left to trade that we aren't open to trading?

[captain subtext]

Can someone please explain to me why I was suspended?
I have never even had a warning before. I didn’t confront anyone and just said what I thought of the situation. It was my first and only post there. I did not even get a response for the post, just suspended. I just got pissed at all the unwarranted knicks hate and belittling of knicks fans. That crazy ass **** rebel suspended me.


This is what I wrote..
It is fairly obvious that Nuggets fans along with the Nuggets front office are feeling a little butthurt and envy NY because they know that it is inevitable that he will end up there. You call it arrogance when we say he's going to be a Knick but it is so obvious that that is where he wants to be and you continue to just be in denial. Your front office really screwed, you are probably going to be low balled by every team that gives you an offer for him now. Ujiri last year with Bosh and now this year with Melo is just priceless. Have fun with Al Harrington for four more years.

I have marked for you the parts that got you supended.

[nyknicks2k2]

I have never even had a warning before.

Yeah, you have.

[Knicker23]

@Remember the Past: Ha pretty aggressive to be posting in their forum i'd imagine..
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At this point, I"m thinking Donnie is more interested in not taking back any bad salaries than he is holding on to any specific player (other than the obvious 2). .

You'd have to think if it came down to it he'd take Harrington, though the contract a is definite turnoff. .

So long as he isn't handcuffing us moving forward with bad salary, I think he's willing to trade just about anyone of the three names being talked about.. On principle and the fact that we can easily wait it out I think will prevent him from giving up all three of Fields Gallo and Chandler.. but keeping things open with two max contracts i'd imagine is what Donnie's taking into consideration most...

[Remember the Past]

I have never even had a warning before.

Yeah, you have.

When, for a sig that was too big?

I was not aware that saying your opinion got you suspended on here. It's pretty evident that the Nuggets are butthurt right now and just don't want to trade him to us. Almost everyone has said this in one of the Melo threads. And you guys should go see the Nuggets board for yourself. Their mods are delusional and constantly confronting Knicks fans.

[nyknicks2k2]

I have never even had a warning before.

Yeah, you have.

When, for a sig that was too big?

I was not aware that saying your opinion got you suspended on here. It's pretty evident that the Nuggets are butthurt right now and just don't want to trade him to us. Almost everyone has said this in one of the Melo threads. And you guys should go see the Nuggets board for yourself. Their mods are delusional and constantly confronting Knicks fans.

No. For this:

viewtopic.php?f=10&p=26140129#p26140129

[Remember the Past]

viewtopic.php?f=10&p=26140129#p26140129

"A lot of our guys didn't play that well and you still got your ass whooped. All that Knicks bashing not looking so good now is it?

And to whoever said he hoped the knicks plane crashes, go **** yourself."

I still don't understand why this deserved a warning. That was my only post there and I did not post anything before the game and Bulls fans were talking so much **** before the game. But w.e I'm not going to keep arguing, just going to rip those **** nuggets posters a new one when we get Melo for a bag of cheetos.

[god shammgod]

why gloat on another board. do you like it when people do it here ?

[Marty McFly]

frankly I'm tired and bored of this. i think this team has more pressing matters right now than adding melo.

[knicks9784]

frankly I'm tired and bored of this. i think this team has more pressing matters right now than adding melo.

like winning a championship right?