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New "Down to the Wire" Combine Poll - Who Should the Knicks Take a 17?

Klay Thompson
19
18%
Josh Selby
19
18%
Kenneth Faried
10
10%
Marshon Brooks
29
28%
Someone Else (at 17)
13
13%
Trade Up
10
10%
Trade Down
3
3%
Trade Out
1
1%
 
Total votes: 104

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Re: [2011 Draft Thread Pt 3] - NY To TradeUp? (Update Top Pg 

Post#441 » by Falstaffxx » Wed Jun 8, 2011 11:59 pm

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Mac1Money wrote:Looking at the poll, I see Klay with more votes than Marshon

When did that happen? Just 2-3 days ago we heard Brooks outplayed Klay in our workout, then he got outplayed again by Brooks in Indy's workout, We know the knock on him is defense, but if another rookie is killing him, what is he gonna do against the DWades, Ray Allens, MGinoblis, Iguodalas etc etc

The only things that Klay is better than Brooks in is pa ssing and shooting,and its not like Brooks shoots like Rondo, he can knock down shots..

yea who needs that :lol:


Are you serious? Off all the things that make up a complete basketball player, ALL the things, hes better at two..

and like I mentioned, as far as shooting..its not like hes terrible, he has a very good shot, just not lights out like Thompson can be...

But take my words however you'd like them...


Shooting and passing are two of the perhaps three or four most important things for a shooting guard.
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Post#442 » by TrueWarrior » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:02 am

Where are people getting this stuff that Brooks killed Klay in their workouts? Brooks said Klay got the best of him in NY. Ford tweeted it last night. Brooks was also quoted in an article this morning saying Klay was hitting jumpers in his grill. But since Klay complimented Brooks that means he got killed? Everything Ive read said they 1A and 1B.

Fact is both Klay and Brooks killed each other. They're both good players. Brooks is the better 1 on 1 player, which is why hes probably looking good in workouts, but Klay is the better 5 on 5 player and would fit seamlessly as our SG considering what we need our SG to do, which is shoot and pass the dang ball.

Prime Mike Miller vs Prime Jamal Crawford. Who do you take for us? This is about the best each guy is going to get if they reach their full potential. Im taking Miller.

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RT @MikeWellsNBA: Brooks said Thompson got the best of him in their New York workout. Thompson gave the edge to Brooks after 2day's workout
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http://www.indystar.com/article/20110608/SPORTS04/106080364/Diverse-styles-Pacers-prospects?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CSports%7Cp

They are scorers who put their points on the board in different ways.

One does it from the perimeter. The other is always in attack mode to the basket. They both could be available when the Indiana Pacers pick at No. 15 in the June 23 draft.

That could be good for them because the Pacers are looking to add another scorer.

Washington State's Klay Thompson and Providence's Marshon Brooks continued their head-to-head battles on the wing when they went at each other throughout their workout Tuesday at Conseco Fieldhouse.

"Me and Klay saw each other in New York (at a recent workout) and we'll be seeing each other a lot more 'cause we're in that range together," Brooks said. "We're totally different players. He's more comfortable shooting. I can shoot, but I'm more of a driver."

The Pacers have several holes to fill. Finding another player to help in the scoring department is one.

The Pacers have to add another player on the wing through the draft, trade or free agency because Mike Dunleavy is a free agent and they are expected to try to trade the inconsistent Brandon Rush.

"I know Indiana needs scoring and I talked to (Pacers president) Larry Bird at the combine (in Chicago)," Brooks said.

Thompson, the son of former NBA player Mychal Thompson, averaged 21.6 points a game last season. He made nearly 40 percent of his 3-point attempts and displayed superb range. He was suspended for a game late in the season after he was arrested for possession of marijuana.

"Going against him, you have to come with your 'A' game or he'll shoot the lights out," Brooks said.

"He kind of did that to me in New York. He shot it really well in New York."


The 6-6 Thompson doesn't want to be known as an one-dimensional player, though. He's out to prove that he can score in different ways and create opportunities for his teammates.

"I've been a shooter throughout my whole career," Thompson said.

"I have to prove I'm more versatile than that. I can pass and create off the dribble, I can rebound and defend."

Brooks, 6-5, began the workout process as an expected second-round pick, but he has turned enough heads around the league that he has workouts scheduled with lottery teams Milwaukee (No. 10) and Utah (No. 12).

"I have no clue," Brooks said when asked why people still question his game. "I use it as fuel to my fire and I'm going to keep working. I've gotten better every summer, and I'm going to continue to do so."

Brooks, a late bloomer, averaged almost 25 points a game while shooting 48 percent from the field during his senior season.

He had games of 52, 43 and 33 points against Notre Dame, Georgetown and Alabama, respectively, last season.

"I think the sky is the limit, if you ask me," Brooks said. "I just have to keep working. I'm still learning a lot of things and if I got drafted by the Pacers, and if Larry Bird could help me shoot a little bit, it would be scary."
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Post#443 » by SonOfMars » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:05 am

...I just said Klay was better, didnt say that Marshon was incapable


Alot of you guys fell in love with Landry at the two, hes not a better shooter than neither, and isnt all that good of a passer himself
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Post#444 » by Fury » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:11 am

Jamal Crawford has never shot as well as Brooks.
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Post#445 » by TrueWarrior » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:14 am

Fury wrote:Jamal Crawford has never shot as well as Brooks.


Jamal Crawford 2009-2010: 45% FG, 38% 3. 6th Man of the Year. :D

Obviously better than his career numbers, but what are you expecting from Brooks?
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Post#446 » by Day_Man » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:18 am

I think Vucevic will be an option at #17, the guy is 7ft 260 and fits a huge need at the 5.

All Im saying is I wouldnt be mad.
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Post#447 » by Mecca » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:19 am

Mac1Money wrote:...I just said Klay was better, didnt say that Marshon was incapable


Alot of you guys fell in love with Landry at the two, hes not a better shooter than neither, and isnt all that good of a passer himself



Landry isn't a good passer? :-? No offense, but I am not a fan of your posting style or thoughts of the game.

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Post#448 » by Fury » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:19 am

Well, Crawford was a low % shooter out of college. Brooks is already like at 48%.
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Post#449 » by SonOfMars » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:23 am

Mecca wrote:
Mac1Money wrote:...I just said Klay was better, didnt say that Marshon was incapable


Alot of you guys fell in love with Landry at the two, hes not a better shooter than neither, and isnt all that good of a passer himself



Landry isn't a good passer? :-? No offense, but I am not a fan of your posting style or thoughts of the game.

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Thats cool, im not here to make friends

When did I say Selby over Jimmer?

Jimmer to Houston was just kinda of like me trying to emphasize the fact that Jimmer wont be available post-lottery

and Selbys my personal favorite, but its VERY close between the 3 of him Brooks, and Klay, I wouldnt mind any of the four, including Jimmer.

To each his own though.
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Post#450 » by Marty McFly » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:26 am

if its down to Selby and Brooks (which i think will be) i think Brooks is the pick; that said, i still think we need to go after Selby somehow. If i got the chance to get the wiz's second first for Toney, and I'm getting Selby.

as mag's suggested yesterday, I'd offer billy to the bulls for the 28, and try to nab shumpert or tyler.
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Post#451 » by Kn1cks » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:29 am

If Jimmer and Klay are gone, Id take Selby or Faried. Not sure which one yet. Probably Faried to be honest. Selby is super talented and has the skills, body and athleticism to be our answer to the new age of PGs in the league but thats the issue. Will be develop into a PG? We cant have another Douglas, Nate Robinson or Crawful here. And I love Faried. He can be our Taj Gibson/Nick Collison/Udonis Haslem. Every team needs that type of big.

I like Brooks but I'm not sure he'd be a good fit. He doesnt strike me as the type of 2 we need next to Stat and Melo. We need a lights out shooter at that position or a lock down defender. Brooks reminds me of Willie Green. Which isnt terrible but I don't like that type of guard for our stars.

Motiejunas shouldnt even be an option. I cant understand why some of you would want to draft a big who doesnt even play like a big. Taking Motiejunas says you want D'Antoni here long term and agree with his type of basketball. I dont care how talented offensively he might be. We cant draft a big who plays 25 feet from the hoop at both ends. Motiejunas is the pick that would upset me the most. I hate players like him.
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Post#452 » by GONYK » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:34 am

Kn1cks wrote:If Jimmer and Klay are gone, Id take Selby or Faried. Not sure which one yet. Probably Faried to be honest. Selby is super talented and has the skills, body and athleticism to be our answer to the new age of PGs in the league but thats the issue. Will be develop into a PG? We cant have another Douglas, Nate Robinson or Crawful here. And I love Faried. He can be our Taj Gibson/Nick Collison/Udonis Haslem. Every team needs that type of big.

I like Brooks but I'm not sure he'd be a good fit. He doesnt strike me as the type of 2 we need next to Stat and Melo. We need a lights out shooter at that position or a lock down defender. Brooks reminds me of Willie Green. Which isnt terrible but I don't like that type of guard for our stars.

Motiejunas shouldnt even be an option. I cant understand why some of you would want to draft a big who doesnt even play like a big. Taking Motiejunas says you want D'Antoni here long term and agree with his type of basketball. I dont care how talented offensively he might be. We cant draft a big who plays 25 feet from the hoop at both ends. Motiejunas is the pick that would upset me the most. I hate players like him.

Faried doesn't see the floor with Amare here.
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Post#453 » by SonOfMars » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:36 am

I wouldnt mind Faried, but not at 17...

He can be our DeJuan Blair, who averages 8ppg, and 7rpg for the Spurs in 21mpg
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Post#454 » by Day_Man » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:41 am

pass on Faried dont need a back-up PF at #17, doesnt fit a big need.. IMO
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Post#455 » by SonOfMars » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:45 am

Random Interesting But Useless Fact: Marshon Brooks Mom Is A WNBA Ref


http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft ... brooks.nba
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Post#456 » by NYman15 » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:49 am

I went with Selby. I'd be ok with Klay or Brooks or Jimmer but Selby just has so much potential and can score. Both Billups and Melo have complimented him already and I think him with Billups, Melo, and Amare, it will give him the best chance to succeed. But I would still be ok with Klay or Brooks or of course Jimmer.
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Post#457 » by clockwork » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:53 am

Kn1cks wrote:If Jimmer and Klay are gone, Id take Selby or Faried. Not sure which one yet. Probably Faried to be honest. Selby is super talented and has the skills, body and athleticism to be our answer to the new age of PGs in the league but thats the issue. Will be develop into a PG? We cant have another Douglas, Nate Robinson or Crawful here. And I love Faried. He can be our Taj Gibson/Nick Collison/Udonis Haslem. Every team needs that type of big.

I like Brooks but I'm not sure he'd be a good fit. He doesnt strike me as the type of 2 we need next to Stat and Melo. We need a lights out shooter at that position or a lock down defender. Brooks reminds me of Willie Green. Which isnt terrible but I don't like that type of guard for our stars.

Motiejunas shouldnt even be an option. I cant understand why some of you would want to draft a big who doesnt even play like a big. Taking Motiejunas says you want D'Antoni here long term and agree with his type of basketball. I dont care how talented offensively he might be. We cant draft a big who plays 25 feet from the hoop at both ends. Motiejunas is the pick that would upset me the most. I hate players like him.

lol you're an idiot. go ask around, everybody says he plays more like pau than bargnani.
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Post#458 » by TrueWarrior » Thu Jun 9, 2011 12:55 am

At this point picking Faried would be like Jordan Hill all over again. Like 09, there should be guards available who can help. We need to come out of this with one.

#17 Tier:
Jimmer
Klay
Brooks
Selby
Reggie (if he gets healthy)

Later Pick Tier:
Reggie
Jenkins
Shumpert
Darius
Malcolm Lee
Lighty
Goudelock
Cory Joseph
Liggins

A lot of mocks have the Bulls taking Jenkins, and honestly thats a perfect fit. He can help Rose out with playmaking a little bit, and also hit the three.
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Post#459 » by vinnie_vegas69 » Thu Jun 9, 2011 1:07 am

clockwork wrote:
Kn1cks wrote:If Jimmer and Klay are gone, Id take Selby or Faried. Not sure which one yet. Probably Faried to be honest. Selby is super talented and has the skills, body and athleticism to be our answer to the new age of PGs in the league but thats the issue. Will be develop into a PG? We cant have another Douglas, Nate Robinson or Crawful here. And I love Faried. He can be our Taj Gibson/Nick Collison/Udonis Haslem. Every team needs that type of big.

I like Brooks but I'm not sure he'd be a good fit. He doesnt strike me as the type of 2 we need next to Stat and Melo. We need a lights out shooter at that position or a lock down defender. Brooks reminds me of Willie Green. Which isnt terrible but I don't like that type of guard for our stars.

Motiejunas shouldnt even be an option. I cant understand why some of you would want to draft a big who doesnt even play like a big. Taking Motiejunas says you want D'Antoni here long term and agree with his type of basketball. I dont care how talented offensively he might be. We cant draft a big who plays 25 feet from the hoop at both ends. Motiejunas is the pick that would upset me the most. I hate players like him.

lol you're an idiot. go ask around, everybody says he plays more like pau than bargnani.

You're lacking for tact and overly blunt, but you're essentially right.

Breakdowns of Motiejunas' games show that he attempts very few outside shots (only 1.5 per game) despite hitting a pretty solid clip, and that is quite skilled in the post, able to make moves with both hands.

"25 feet from the hoop at both ends" is a crazy statement even if you're talking ABOUT Bargnani - Bargs still plays PF/C on defense. Whether he plays WELL is another thing, but he's not 25 feet from the basket on defense.
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Post#460 » by Marty McFly » Thu Jun 9, 2011 1:08 am

I haven't seen much of Jenkins but if he's a scoring guard, i'd put him in the jimmer/selby/brooks/klay bracket.

there's also travis leslie, who some say could be a tony allen type, but I've read he can't shoot for ****.

i'd put him and shumpert on the defenders bracket.

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